Why I'm NOT a Christian. - Or so they say...

[ThePuffyBlob]

Believers = no questions = heaven
Unbelievers = questions = no heaven

How can you understand the truth if you are not born into it? For example, if you were born into a Muslim family, how will you accept the truth if you do not seek wisdom? Will God even give it to you if you do not ask? I don't think so.

This is exactly why not every question has a simple yes or no answer.

 

[TheHC]

The “sexually immoral….will not inherit God’s Kingdom” (1Cor.6:9), right?

So the important question is, what acts are sexually immoral in God’s eyes?

What it is to us, doesn’t really matter. What it is to God, matters!


Here’s where the Mosaic Law is important… why? Because God doesn’t change! Malachi 3:6

 

[St. SteVen]

Here’s where the Mosaic Law is important… why? Because God doesn’t change! Malachi 3:6

Didn't you say earlier that there were only three commandments before the 600+ of the law given to Moses?
Are we still under the original three?
Are we still under the 600+?

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

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[PGS11]

The Christian faith was founded long before anyone here all the theology everything.Its set in stone you don't get to change it because you don"t like it.You can walk away.This is all way higher than anyone here.If your a Christian you should understand the theology completely and accept it or reject it.There is a lot of internet Christianity with big pieces missing because the people talking don't accept the theology and lead other down the wrong path.Are you a Christian and do you understand the theology and accept it.Can you say yes to that.

 

[St. SteVen]

The Christian faith was founded long before anyone here all the theology everything.Its set in stone you don't get to change it because you don"t like it.You can walk away.This is all way higher than anyone here.If your a Christian you should understand the theology completely and accept it or reject it.There is a lot of internet Christianity with big pieces missing because the people talking don't accept the theology and lead other down the wrong path.Are you a Christian and do you understand the theology and accept it.Can you say yes to that.

Who decides what you should believe? Do you trust them? How gullible are you?

Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity?

This is a follow-up to the previous topic: Unity of the faith - at what cost? Link below. Probably the biggest roadblock to Christian doctrinal unity is holding on to the freedom we have to determine our own beliefs. Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of Christian doctrinal...

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[St. SteVen]

How can you understand the truth if you are not born into it?

I had to ask myself a similar question when I was a young adult.
Why is it that I was born into a country and family that has the truth no one else in the world has?
It seemed awfully convenient AND unbelievable. Why?

I went deep into Christian apologetics to convince myself. Now I have second thoughts.

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[PGS11]

So your saying the faith is all lies and I am a fool in Christ it not the first time I have heard it.What are you doing here if you don't believe in it you come to try to change it all to your way.Not going to happen ever.

 

[PGS11]

There will always be people who understand the theology and try to keep people on track you cannot win that battle.It is the Job of a Christian to hold the faith that it not be changed into error.It is critical for the faith.

 

[amadeus]

I had to ask myself a similar question when I was a young adult.
Why is it that I was born into a country and family that has the truth no one else in the world has?
It seemed awfully convenient AND unbelievable. Why?

I went deep into Christian apologetics to convince myself. Now I have second thoughts.
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Remember always this my friend: "much is given, much is required" [from Luke 12:48]. Many Americans and other persons born naturally in supposedly "Christian" nations do not yet know what that means to them.

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

I had to ask myself a similar question when I was a young adult.
Why is it that I was born into a country and family that has the truth no one else in the world has?
It seemed awfully convenient AND unbelievable. Why?

I went deep into Christian apologetics to convince myself. Now I have second thoughts.
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Actually, this isn't a question but rather an answer to your question. I'm not sure what to call it—whether it's rhetorical, an analogy, or something else—but I did respond to your question with another question. And to make it short, I was just saying that the world is not so simple that it only requires a yes or no answer.

 

[St. SteVen]

Actually, this isn't a question but rather an answer to your question. I'm not sure what to call it—whether it's rhetorical, an analogy, or something else—but I did respond to your question with another question. And to make it short, I was just saying that the world is not so simple that it only requires a yes or no answer.

Yes, I agree.

In the Protestant church we take a very narrow view of salvation.
Only one way to God = through Jesus.
Those who reject Jesus are under eternal condemnation. But did everyone have the opportunity?
What about those who didn't? This caveat defeats the previous claim.
At least in a "you must be saved in this lifetime" scenario.

And the Bible indicates a few other ways.
Matthew 25 says food for hungry, drink for the thirsty, clothes for the naked, and care for the sick and imprisoned.
Roams 2 says that adhering to our God-given human conscience will get you there.

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[ThePuffyBlob]

But did everyone have the opportunity?
What about those who didn't?

God is not a robot tho and he is a God of justice

for example all those infants or fetus who died in various ways they are people who did not get the chance to repent or to do anything do you really think God will send them to the sea of flame to be tortured day and night forever? we cannot be sure what would happen to them but i am sure God will do the right thing for he knows what is right more than we do

 

[RedFan]

God is not a robot tho and he is a God of justice

for example all those infants or fetus who died in various ways they are people who did not get the chance to repent or to do anything do you really think God will send them to the sea of flame to be tortured day and night forever? we cannot be sure what would happen to them but i am sure God will do the right thing for he knows what is right more than we do

God's justice doesn't match our notions of justice, and is quite inscrutable to us. He punishes children and grand children and great grand children for the sins of a parent. Ex. 34:7, Num. 14:18, Deut. 5:9.

 

[RedFan]

Yes, I agree.

In the Protestant church we take a very narrow view of salvation.
Only one way to God = through Jesus.
Those who reject Jesus are under eternal condemnation. But did everyone have the opportunity?
What about those who didn't? This caveat defeats the previous claim.
At least in a "you must be saved in this lifetime" scenario.

And the Bible indicates a few other ways.
Matthew 25 says food for hungry, drink for the thirsty, clothes for the naked, and care for the sick and imprisoned.
Roams 2 says that adhering to our God-given human conscience will get you there.

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I am reminded of Alan Watts' question in The Supreme Identity (1972), "What opportunity for salvation was there for Chinese, Incas, and Australians while Jesus was living in Palestine, in a world absolutely out of communication with theirs? Surely, if it is true that God so loves the world, and means it, he will give his only-begotten Son in as many forms as there are worlds."

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

God's justice doesn't match our notions of justice, and is quite inscrutable to us. He punishes children and grand children and great grand children for the sins of a parent. Ex. 34:7, Num. 14:18, Deut. 5:9.

I said, didn’t I? It’s God’s way, not human way. And if you compare billions of people to God’s weaknesses, God is still far more wise.

 

[St. SteVen]

God is not a robot tho and he is a God of justice

for example all those infants or fetus who died in various ways they are people who did not get the chance to repent or to do anything do you really think God will send them to the sea of flame to be tortured day and night forever? we cannot be sure what would happen to them but i am sure God will do the right thing for he knows what is right more than we do

These realities challenge the one-size-fits-all answer about salvation.
If there is even ONE other way, there may be hundreds.
When we bring God's good character into the equation, things loosen up pretty quickly.

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[ThePuffyBlob]

we have no right to dictate God that he is wrong he will never be wrong

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

These realities challenge the one-size-fits-all answer about salvation.
If there is even ONE other way, there may be hundreds.
When we bring God's good character into the equation, things loosen up pretty quickly.

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but the things that are written thats what we should follow let us not make myths and follow them God already gave us his word which is the bible so that we might be saved God knows those other ways but we do not

 

[St. SteVen]

I am reminded of Alan Watts' question in The Supreme Identity (1972), "What opportunity for salvation was there for Chinese, Incas, and Australians while Jesus was living in Palestine, in a world absolutely out of communication with theirs? Surely, if it is true that God so loves the world, and means it, he will give his only-begotten Son in as many forms as there are worlds."

There are stories of Jesus visiting native indians, like the Cherokee.

“Did Jesus Preach to the Cherokee Indians?”

Jesus and the Indians

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[St. SteVen]

we have no right to dictate God that he is wrong he will never be wrong

That is NEVER my point.
I think we are horribly wrong about God.

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