Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?

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Little children and children are not the same things.
Exactly I don't have any little children any more but I do have three adult children and through them seven children's children.
 

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not to John but to the disciple

so is Mary John’s spiritual mother?
it says the disciple who Jesus loved and that was John. Mary was not John's spiritual mother but his foster or adoptive mother and he her adopted son.
 

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Yes, Jesus was preparing for departure from this Earth and leaving his Earthly mother in the care of a Trusted friend....

Oh....the scandal....LOL....Oh....how bizarre....LOL....Oh..Oh..Oh...
Lest we FORGET Jesus the TEACHER, Teaching men hey...get your affairs in order, Prepare for the care of your own, Before you physically die.

why? Why does she have to become his mother just to have him care for her?
 

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The very definition of “catechumens” is an oxymoron...


Catechumens; a Christian catholic convert under instruction before baptism.

* A Conversion IS the Lords Work of Baptism of the Holy Spirit!

no baptism of the HS

eph 4:5 only Christian baptism
 

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born of God refers to baptism
Not in my Church it doesn't it means born of the Spirit through repentance and the acceptance of Jesus. And I'll tell you that is a much better way.

Every earthly father however many children he has, will have a special relation with each of them a unique relationship eared to that child's needs. That is what makes my relationship with God through Jesus personal to me. You too can have that special relationship with God. It's mind blowing to think that El Shaddai - Almighty God - has that father daughter relationship with me.

I've said before you can have that without leaving your church - I have known a number of truly born again Catholics.
 

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peter is the rock
Only Jesus builds his church
Only those who have correct faith and baptism
No there is no assurance without religion
We must be faithful
And we owe obedience to Christ and his church

Matt 12: 40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Jesus is the cornerstone, the foundation stone.
Matthew 21:42
Then Jesus asked them, “Didn’t you ever read this in the Scriptures? ‘The stone that the builders rejected has now become the cornerstone. This is the Lord’s doing, and it is wonderful to see.’
Mark 12:10
Didn’t you ever read this in the Scriptures? ‘The stone that the builders rejected has now become the cornerstone.
Acts 4:11
For Jesus is the one referred to in the Scriptures, where it says, ‘The stone that you builders rejected has now become the cornerstone.’
 

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It’s Ash Wednesday
40 to prepare for the passion death and resurrection of Christ
Even though we will remember his death on what is known as Good Friday, and thank God for the sacrifice of his Son, he is no dead but very much alive and living in his Church and we will celebrate that on Resurrection day.
 

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I give you the example of Esther
You gave me numbers. I would like you explain about Esther in your own words. Not like a person trained to only but forward the views of others.
 

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no baptism of the HS

eph 4:5 only Christian baptism
  1. Acts 1:5
    John baptized with water, but in just a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”

  2. Acts 8:16
    The Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them, for they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

  3. Acts 11:16
    Then I thought of the Lord’s words when he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
 

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You mean by the authority of Jesus Christ?
Are rejecting the authority of Christ?
I don't know what you mean. @theefaith You can quote scripture purporting to prove all your doctrines, but what you can't do is share your personal experiences of God working in your life, answering prayer, speaking directly into your spirit or showing you things in dreams or from something in nature or daily life. You are missing such a lot. I think you have a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: 2 Timothy 3:5

A FORM OF FREEDOM

One summer, on a warm and sunny day out I heard some birds singing very loudly. They sounded very close at hand but I didn’t recognise their calls. I stood up from my place at an outdoor table and peered into the nearby trees but could see no sign of any birds. After puzzling about it for a few minutes I became aware of people pointing and on turning round in my chair I saw the unbelievable sight of two beautiful cockatiels sitting on their perches in a cage which was being transported in a small home-made trailer attached to the back of an old bicycle. The birds’ owner had parked them up outside the bank whilst he conducted his bit of business and they were drawing quite a bit of admiring attention. These birds were obviously happy to be out in the warm sunshine and obviously felt a sort of freedom; but they were not free. They were not being allowed to fulfill their true potential for flight in the element for which they were designed.

I believe that you may be like that @theefaith , knowing about God's love and wanting to walk in the light and enjoy the warmth of God’s love and quite happily sitting on your perch singing inside the cage you have built, or have allowed others to build, around you. We all have the potential to fly in the spiritual element for which we are designed; to soar like eagles; so why do we settle for anything less. So if you recognise this feeling that you are in a ‘cage’ let me strongly encourage you to remove all the restrictions in your lives that are being allowed to form those cages so that you might fulfill your true potential to soar in the spiritual realms. And you can only fully succeed in this with the help and infilling of the Holy Spirit.

So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. John 8:35-37
 

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Of which I am one.
Let me freely tell what you THEE Faith has said himself .
IF you are not part of the CC you got no salvation . Rather odd , I SIMPLY say if your faith is not in CHRIST you do not have salvation .
I asked thee faith if he thought i was saved and he told me no . Now i did not get all upset at him
nor try and get him banned . Yet if i dare say one would about a catholic not being saved , I GET THE BOOT and banned .
No , we must do all to get them out of that church . IF WE LOVE THEM we CORECT Them . WE POINT them to CHRIST
and not to traditions of men gone wrong . Its why i constantly remind all to get back into those bibles .
I harbor no ill towards thee faith or the other catholics . ITS WHY , out of great love for their souls
i do warn them , COME OUT from amongst her deadly doctrines .
If many peoples had even a tenth of the zeal for preaching CHRIST and the gosple as they did for their traditions
MY GOODNESS souls could have truly been saved . BUT most folks point only to their tradtions , their church
YET WE SHOULD have been pointing to CHRIST , what HE taught and said , and later what the apostels taught and said .
HAD we just kept it that simple how the churches would have prospered and been made strong and not fallen away .
AND MY how souls could have been saved . I SAY ITS TIME TO POINT TO CHRIST and not to man .
 

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Why does it need be in scripture?

the rule of faith is Christ and his church!
The rule is that it cannot conradict What is already IN SCRIPTURE . and the CC teaches manythings that do .
I know GOD still speaks through men , BUT the thing is , IF any man comes teaching something
already contrary to the biblical doctrine , YEAH i , by grace refuse it . So sad many within the CC
just kept letting men twist stuff and add stuff that was CONTRARY to the doctrine .
And that i do not say against just the CC , but against most of protestantism as well .
Its a madhouse my friend . But out of love for the souls of all peoples i must warn against that whicih is false
and point only to that which is truth . The love of Christ compels me . RETURN to the simplicity which is in Christ .
Hurry and do not look back . I will continue prayers for you . But i am very serious , HURRY and dont look back .
Get back into that bible and read and love it . Having faith in Christ and you will learn and you will grow
wise unto salvation through faith in Christ . Hurry thee faith . No man knows their final hour
and out of love for your soul i do remind you . Hurry .
 
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why? Why does she have to become his mother just to have him care for her?

Can’t understand if for you.
Christ Jesus is “Building” a Spiritual Sanctified Brotherhood.
Human earthly relationships shall become moot.