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[Taken]

Dang, now I need to add another title to your name: You are a troll who dodges questions!

Trolldodger is your new nick name!

Seriously QT, I would like to have a logical, articulate with facts and Scripture to back up what we believe discussion with you. Is that ever going to happen? If not, please let me know so I don't waste my time asking you serious questions of which you will dodge!

Sincerely, Mary

I need to add another title to your name:

a logical, articulate with facts and Scripture to back up what we believe discussion..

WOW...! And not in a good way!

 

[Marymog]

Don’t give me credit for your cracked thoughts.



I’ve never said that I hear voices.
That is you trying to speak for me.



You obviously are not aware how Gods Spirit communicates.



Trust you? No.
Me hearing Gods Voice? That’s your words, not mine.
I am hearing A Voice? That’s your words, not mine.



If you believed Scripture...



We are all chosen by Him, to do something....
Think God called you to make up false ideas and maliciously pass them off as an others beliefs?






A cracked up peon with inferior feelings...your own self-description...
And accredited to me........LOL

Thanks Taken. You are right. I don't know how Gods Spirit communicates with you. I assumed you heard voices and I shouldn't have assumed that. I suspect Gods Spirit just puts the truth into your head. There is no voice; the truth just pops into your head. A true miracle. :)

Respectfully, the peon with inferior feelings, Mary

PS: Your peon with inferior feelings comment made me LOL. I believe you have been "chosen by Him to do something"! To be condescending and pompous.

 

[Marymog]

Well do you keep checking with Romanism? They have changed their doctrines many many many times! But if you are my disciple, then you would be fellowshhipping with me, and you would know!

Hey dodgeball. Lets try this again: Where do I go if you refuse to answer a doctrinal question from me Ronald? And how often should I ask that same question? Today, and then again a year from now to see if you have changed your answer. And then 2 years from that to see if you have changed your answer again???

 

[Berserk]

Holy water is blest water and the principle that justifies its use is solidly grounded in Scripture.
(1) Naaman is cured of leprosy by immersing himself in the Jordan. For Naaman, then, the Jordan becomes blessed water.
(2) Jesus uses spittle mixed with clay to heal. So for Him, this water (spittle) functions as blessed water.
(3) As blessed water, holy water becomes a powerful tool in Catholic exorcisms. Catholic exorcists are often summoned by evangelicals when evangelical exorcisms fail to succeed!

 

[Marymog]

You should KNOW I do not agree with you....so why you continue to speak your FALSE WORDS, maliciously pretending you are speaking my belief....is a very negative reflection on your character.

And not one answer to my questions..........Instead you bloviate. Par for the course.......

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hey Ronald,

I know even after answering your "nudge" question you more than likely won't answer my questions....but I can only hope.

You are referring to Post #246 which had my "nudge" reference. So, lets review the context of post #246:

If you (Ronald) were standing in front of one of the Apostles and they told you "Ronald, XYZ is a sound doctrine. Do NOT deviate from it and do not teach anything opposite of it" and you then went out and deviated/taught opposite of what they told you, do you think they would allow you to continue to teach? Are you still ONE with their teaching? Or do you think they would treat you as a pagan or tax collector? With that said you have said that you have changed your belief on issues over 47 years as after you have learned more of the Scriptures and heard disagreeing arguments that appeared to apply the Scriptures better. I sincerely hope that I have nudged you in the right direction and this may be one of those times.

That was my response in regards to your statement: But you are confusing oneness with unity or conformity of thought! My wife and I are one, though we do not always agree.

So I am attempting to nudge you to see how illogical your belief is that The Church should not have oneness with unity or conformity of thought! For The Church to be ONE it must have CONFORMITY of thought on KEY salvific doctrines otherwise we end up with what we got in the 16th century; a Protestant Revolution that forever divided, instead of uniting, Christianity. NOT being ONE (of which Jesus prayed for) and NOT having conformity of thought (of which Scripture teaches) leads to false teachers twisting Scripture to their own destruction and to the destruction of those whose ears are tickled by their teaching of false doctrines. If Christianity is not ONE with CONFORMITY of thought we will never fulfill John 8:32 because everyone will teach their own "truth".

Keeping it real, Mary

Just tell me directly what you are nudging me too and then you can find out how I can answer questions. But no more answers until you answer this thing you posted long ago on this thread!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hey dodgeball. Lets try this again: Where do I go if you refuse to answer a doctrinal question from me Ronald? And how often should I ask that same question? Today, and then again a year from now to see if you have changed your answer. And then 2 years from that to see if you have changed your answer again???

Hey dodgeball coach- Answer the nudge first! Or simply admit you have no clue what you said you are trying to nudge me too. Answer that first an we can move on!

 

[theefaith]

So we have a biblical priesthood, but to you it is not the right priesthood.

Melchisadec was a king! So if Jesus is a King after the the order of Melchisadec- so won't all other priests be a royal priesthood like King Melchisadec and King Jesus!
C'mon man! Stop these3 silly little linguistic twistings.

Ok so do these “believers” in the royal priesthood offer a sacrifice?

I don’t mean the sacrifice of praise

 

[theefaith]

According to Gods WORD!

what is this church?

 

[amadeus]

Christ founded the church to teach all men matt 16;18 Matt 28:19

So then what have you said, if we, the members of the Body of Christ are the Church? God is the One is gives the teachers, is He not? How does one recognize a teacher given/sent by God?

 

[Marymog]

@Marymog you asked me a serious question, I gave you a serious answer, and your response was...
LOL... Okay, thanks.
And you wonder why people are reluctant to go down the roads you direct them to?

I apologize. I didn't know you were being serious. I thought you and I had already been 'down this road'.....but I digress.

Just a quick refresher: I asked you if you could give me a false doctrine of The Church that is taught using tradition only. Your answer was Sunday Sacredness.

First off, I asked to be given a false doctrine of The Church, which is The Catholic Church. Your answer, Sunday Sacredness, is not only a doctrine of The Catholic Church (The Church) it is a doctrine of all Christian denominations. I know there are some denominations that call themselves Christian who do not practice Sunday Sacredness but heck, every Protestant denomination has some false teachings. I must say that I do agree with your previous statement that The Antichrist and the false prophet are in the church and being embraced. Fortunately, the Saturday sacredness Jewish teaching is only embraced by a very small minority.

So, the answer to your allegation: Sunday Sacredness is practiced by Christians because Scripture says that the NT Christians practiced Sunday Sacredness. So, I guess you are kind of right. Scripture does not flat out say that "Christians will hold Sunday as being the day of the Lord and stop practicing the Jewish Sabbath" OR "Sunday is a sacred day of worship and gathering". Sooooooo I guess us Christians are practicing the tradition the NT Christians and the Apostles established. We do adhere to Scripture that says stand fast, and hold the traditions which we have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. Christians are holding fast on to Paul's words in Colossians 2:16. We will not let the minority judge us.

Respectfully, Mary

 

[theefaith]

So then what have you said, if we, the members of the Body of Christ are the Church? God is the One is gives the teachers, is He not? How does one recognize a teacher given/sent by God?

He appointed and commanded Peter and the apostles

 

[Marymog]

Just tell me directly what you are nudging me too and then you can find out how I can answer questions. But no more answers until you answer this thing you posted long ago on this thread!

Ummm....I literally just told you but I will cut and paste it for you to read again: I am attempting to nudge you to see how illogical your belief is that The Church should not have oneness with unity or conformity of thought!

For The Church to be ONE it must have CONFORMITY of thought on KEY salvific doctrines otherwise we end up with what we got in the 16th century; a Protestant Revolution that forever divided, instead of uniting, Christianity. NOT being ONE (of which Jesus prayed for) and NOT having conformity of thought (of which Scripture teaches) leads to false teachers twisting Scripture to their own destruction and to the destruction of those whose ears are tickled by their teaching of false doctrines. If Christianity is not ONE with CONFORMITY of thought we will never fulfill John 8:32 because everyone will teach their own "truth".

How much more direct can I be? Or is this just another artful dodge?

 

[Marymog]

Hey dodgeball coach- Answer the nudge first! Or simply admit you have no clue what you said you are trying to nudge me too. Answer that first an we can move on!

I have answered kiddo.....In post #419.

But you came up with ANOTHER dodge in post #426....as expected. ;)

 

[Taken]

Thanks Taken. You are right. I don't know how Gods Spirit communicates with you. I assumed you heard voices and I shouldn't have assumed that. I suspect Gods Spirit just puts the truth into your head. There is no voice; the truth just pops into your head. A true miracle. :)

Not “just”/merely....as if God is “google”....I read, I read, I study, I read the knowledge IN Scripture, then ASK for His understanding OF His knowledge.

Respectfully, the peon with inferior feelings, Mary

PS: I believe you have been "chosen by Him to do something"! To be condescending and pompous.

Respectfully

That was short lived.

 

[Taken]

And not one answer to my questions..........Instead you bloviate. Par for the course.......

Why bother, when you busy yourself speaking FOR others!

 

[amadeus]

Ok...thank you.

I don't understand how your question about all Catholics following Jesus and Jesus prayer in John being relevant to our discussion and your question about Jesus being a righteous man. They are all just insignificant questions and words that mean nothing. Nothing you wrote addresses my allegation that you and Taken have this feeling in your heart and this voice in your head that make you believe you are being guided by the Holy Spirit into the truth even though both of you disagree with each other.

Someone is confused and it's not the Holy Spirit. I am praying for both of you.

Mary

Sister, you don't understand and after our many discussions covering these things, I guess for the moment you are not going to...

I am praying for you as well.

 

[amadeus]

Yes, I consider myself to be right in that.

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

If not the Catholic Church then which Church?

I have answered this question for you before. Who belongs to or is a part of the Body of Christ?

 

[Taken]

what is this church?

Where is the quote mentioning a church you are responding to?

 

[amadeus]

How do you know when you are in the Spirit? What does your physical body, mind and heart feel like?

What does faith feel like? What does Truth, God's Truth, feel like?

The answers are not in carnal man's sense of touch of in any of the other carnal natural senses identified by man [seeing, hearing, tasting and smelling].

What if one of your 'in the Spirit' revelations is opposite of what one of the Apostolic Fathers wrote? Should I believe you or them?
Mary

Don't believe or follow me or them!
You must believe God for yourself and follow Him.