Why do Catholics…

[theefaith]

His people are.
1 Peter 2:9-10 ESV
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

nice try at least you are thinking about it but no that is the royal priesthood and Christ is high priest according to the order of melchisedec so there must be low priests of the same ministerial order, offering the same sacrifice as Christ!

 

[theefaith]

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;


Every single believer!

nice try at least you are thinking about it but no that is the royal priesthood and Christ is high priest according to the order of melchisedec so there must be low priests of the same ministerial order, offering the same sacrifice as Christ!

 

[Marymog]

What specifically do you want to nudge me to????.

Where do I go if you refuse to answer a doctrinal question from me Ronald? And how often should I ask that same question? Today, and then again a year from now to see if you have changed your answer. And then 2 years from that to see if you have changed your answer again???

 

[Marymog]

Well As Romanism wasn't born until after Constantine that is not the original church .

but what are trying to nudge me too!

So the men who started those churches they didn't properly study Scripture to come up with those doctrines that YOU call false but YOU conducted a proper study of Scripture to determine that their doctrines are false???????? Even though you are a man that came AFTER the Apostles YOU can figure out what a false doctrine is but Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp or any man that starts a Protestant church CAN'T figure out what a false doctrine is by reading the SAME BIBLE THAT YOU READ??????????

 

[Marymog]

The veneration of Mary and Saints. But I'm not telling you anything, you know this!

Thanks for joining the conversation quitthinker.

If we look at the history of Christianity and Scripture on veneration it means to give great respect or reverence.


Do you have great respect for the Mother of God who is 'highly favored and blessed among women' (Luke 1:28)? Do you think the NT Christians did?

So that we are on the same page: How do YOU define veneration?

 

[Marymog]

Sunday sacredness.

Lol...ok....thank you.

 

[Marymog]

The men you are eluding to were not Apostles, nor worthy to be mentioned in Scripture.
And so you agree with them. And think they are qualified to speak FOR YOU. That’s interesting...they’re dead.

Oh, the shame I now have since you put it that way. I have seen the light. They were not "worthy to be mentioned in Scripture" so I shouldn't listen to them. Who do you listen to Taken? You speak for you on doctrinal issues. You agree with you. You were not a student of the Apostles. They were. I wonder who has more credibility? (hint, not you)

I agree with dead men who were students of the Apostles on doctrinal issues instead of agreeing with you who is still alive . I am sooooo embarrassed.

 

[Marymog]

The Lord God Almighty....None Stronger than He.

Oh stop it Taken. The context of this conversation is about Scriptural interpretation and who to trust. You even wrote "Titles and knowing a guy, who knew a guy, is a badge of merit." You and @amadeus put your teachings/interpretation of Scripture above those men with "Titles". Those men had the Apostles as their teachers. You and amadeus have yourself as your teacher. So you KNOW what this conversation is about. Stop being ridiculous with you suggestion that God is teaching you directly. Geez...

Lets keep it real: You rely on you to properly interpret Scripture! You believe that "The Lord God Almighty" is helping you properly interpret Scripture into the Truth even though Scripture says the church is the pillar and foundation of truth and the church decides who is to be ex-communicated. That is from Scripture. Your fantasy that God is directly teaching you the Truth and you shouldn't listen to any other man is not in Scripture.

 

[Taken]

Oh, the shame I now have since you put it that way. I have seen the light. They were not "worthy to be mentioned in Scripture" so I shouldn't listen to them.

There is no shame to listen to whom you please.
If a man is speaking on the topic of God, His Word....then it is YOUR option to do as God Instructed......VERIFY what you HEAR, IS TRUE, according to Gods Word.

I do not favor YOUR method, of hearing from whom you please, and taking their words at face value, without Verification according to Gods Word.

But that is the beauty of having FREEWILL. You can do as you will, and I can do as I will. I choose to verify what I hear, according to Gods Word.

Who do you listen to Taken?

You have asked this before and been answered.
I listen to the Source, God, Jesus.
I listen to whom the Source Has Hisself Appointed for me to hear.

You speak for you on doctrinal issues. You agree with you. You were not a student of the Apostles. They were. I wonder who has more credibility? (hint, not you ).

I speak for myself according to what I can verify in Scripture, which is the essence of me content with Agreeing with Scripture.
NOT ONCE to anyone have I said AGREE WITH ME!

I could care less who, what or why you agree with what you do.
YOU plainly state WHO you agree with, and plainly I already know, the WHO you agree with and I don’t bother with my time, reading what “they” think, preach, say....since I already have the Source.

I agree with dead men who were students of the Apostles on doctrinal issues instead of agreeing with you who is still alive . I am sooooo embarrassed.

Already I know the “dead Students” you agree with. So what?
It’s FREEWILL for each to choose.
It’s FREEWILL for each to speak for themselves.
You are embarrassed...So what? That’s on you.

 

[Taken]

Oh stop it Taken. The context of this conversation is about Scriptural interpretation and who to trust. You even wrote "Titles and knowing a guy, who knew a guy, is a badge of merit." You and @amadeus put your teachings/interpretation of Scripture above those men with "Titles". Those men had the Apostles as their teachers. You and amadeus have yourself as your teacher. So you KNOW what this conversation is about. Stop being ridiculous with you suggestion that God is teaching you directly. Geez...

Lets keep it real: You rely on you to properly interpret Scripture! You believe that "The Lord God Almighty" is helping you properly interpret Scripture into the Truth even though Scripture says the church is the pillar and foundation of truth and the church decides who is to be ex-communicated. That is from Scripture. Your fantasy that God is directly teaching you the Truth and you shouldn't listen to any other man is not in Scripture.

God is supreme power, none is stronger than He....

If that is not your interpretation, to your liking, to your agreement, real to you, not in “your’ Scriptural book...that’s on you, deal with it.

@amadeus and I are content with our Agreement in Trusting God is supreme power, none is stronger than He....that’s on us!

 

[amadeus]

Oh stop it Taken. The context of this conversation is about Scriptural interpretation and who to trust. You even wrote "Titles and knowing a guy, who knew a guy, is a badge of merit." You and @amadeus put your teachings/interpretation of Scripture above those men with "Titles". Those men had the Apostles as their teachers. You and amadeus have yourself as your teacher. So you KNOW what this conversation is about. Stop being ridiculous with you suggestion that God is teaching you directly. Geez...

So, you believe you are right. Solomon wrote 3000 years ago that every man believed himself to be right. Apparently, someone is wrong.

Should I change my beliefs simply because you say it is the best thing to do? If not for that reason, then why?

 

[Marymog]

So, you believe you are right. Solomon wrote 3000 years ago that every man believed himself to be right. Apparently, someone is wrong.

Should I change my beliefs simply because you say it is the best thing to do? If not for that reason, then why?

Hey amadeus,

Nope, I never, not once, said I am right. I said The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH, is right. The Church, who decides who is to be ex-communicated, is right. Whoever has the TRUTH and has the authority to enforce that Truth is right.

Do you believe you are right (on doctrinal issues)?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

God is supreme power, none is stronger than He....

If that is not your interpretation, to your liking, to your agreement, real to you, not in “your’ Scriptural book...that’s on you, deal with it.

@amadeus and I are content with our Agreement in Trusting God is supreme power, none is stronger than He....that’s on us!

Oh goodness Taken....when did I ever say that God is NOT supreme power? Stay on topic....

 

[Taken]

nice try at least you are thinking about it but no that is the royal priesthood and Christ is high priest according to the order of melchisedec so there must be low priests of the same ministerial order, offering the same sacrifice as Christ!

Briefly;
* There was A Chief Priest Appointed by God, (Aaron), thereafter that Aarons sons, (according to God,) thereafter the Levite’s, (traveling Priests) there after Levite in the Synagogs.
*During the days of the Synagogs, Jesus’ arrived and personally taught His chosen disciples to Be Apostles and go and teach in the Synagogs.
* Also during the days of Jesus, The Roman Government Magistrate (in charged of overseeing Jesus’ trial) Appointed a Roman Gentile, as the pseudo “chief priest” over the trial.
* Thereafter the Apostles were sent teaching, starting, Churches, and they began appointing Gentiles to Church leadership positions.
* Thereafter Jesus Appointed Saul/Paul as Jesus’ Servant to Preach to the Gentiles.
* Thereafter Apostles began dying off.
* Thereafter Gentile men, Serving under the Apostles began changing Jesus’ Doctrine, Appointing additional men with Non scriptural Titles.
* So there ya go....the Divided Catholics, with their titles, and Doctrine.
* And the Divided Protestants, with Jesus’ Doctrine.

 

[Marymog]

I do not favor YOUR method, of hearing from whom you please, and taking their words at face value, without Verification according to Gods Word.....

My method of hearing from whom I please and taking THEIR words at face value without verification??????????

Let's try this AGAIN: YOUR method is to hear from whom YOU please (which is yourself) and you take YOUR words at face value and YOU verify what YOU believe is Gods Word .

I trust the men who had the Apostles as their teachers. YOU trust YOU!! It's that simple Taken.

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[Taken]

Oh goodness Taken....when did I ever say that God is NOT supreme power? Stay on topic....

Pay attention...

I posted a comment.
You copied a portion of my post and responded to it.
Post # 368

If you were not responding to what I said...why take only that portion of my comment....post it...and go off on your negative response?

 

[quietthinker]

Thanks for joining the conversation quitthinker.

If we look at the history of Christianity and Scripture on veneration it means to give great respect or reverence.


Do you have great respect for the Mother of God who is 'highly favored and blessed among women' (Luke 1:28)? Do you think the NT Christians did?

So that we are on the same page: How do YOU define veneration?

Necromancy does not belong in the minds of God's people.....it is the practice of pagans, call it by whatever name you want.

 

[Taken]

My method of hearing from whom I please and taking THEIR words at face value without verification??????????

Let's try this AGAIN: YOUR method is to hear from whom YOU please (which is yourself) and you take YOUR words at face value and YOU verify what YOU believe is Gods Word .

TWICE you have asked me WHO I listen to.
TWICE I have answered you.

And here you are, making up crap that I have never said.

Keeping it real....Mary

Laughable on it’s face.

 

[Marymog]

So, you believe you are right. Solomon wrote 3000 years ago that every man believed himself to be right. Apparently, someone is wrong.

Should I change my beliefs simply because you say it is the best thing to do? If not for that reason, then why?

You and @Taken both believe you are right in your interpretation of Scripture but I am willing to bet my life that both of you disagree with each other even though both of you THINK (feel) like you are being guided by the Holy Spirit.

Apparently, someone is wrong.

 

[Marymog]

TWICE you have asked me WHO I listen to.
TWICE I have answered you.

And here you are, making up crap that I have never said.



Laughable on it’s face.

Yup, you answered me. You listen to God and Jesus. I got that message very clear. Sooooo you FEEL like you are listening to God/Jesus and @amadeus feels like he is listening to God/Jesus but both of you disagree with each other.

Soooo who is confused? God/Jesus or you and amadeus?

Maybe that voice you are hearing is the god of a different realm?