Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

[covenantee]

The KJV translators knew well that (Messiah the Prince) was deity, and they knew well (the prince) wasn't deity

You are looking for a gnat to support your false claims, while the entire time your swallowing a camel

Matthew 23:24KJV
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

From the original 1611 KJV:

Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weekes, shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himselfe, and the people of the Prince that shall come, shall destroy the citie, and the Sanctuarie, and the ende thereof shall be with a flood, and vnto the ende of the warre desolations are determined.

Appears you swallowed an elephant.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope

Dan 9 has everything to do with Gods answer to daniels prayer, concerning his people. And his holy city

dan 9: 24 “Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,

No mention of the messiah..

He is mentioned shortly after that. Should that be ignored? How else can reconciliation be made for iniquity besides Jesus sacrificing Himself on the cross? Just because He is not specifically mentioned in verse 24 doesn't mean the things mentioned in that verse have nothing to do with Him.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

From the original 1611 KJV:

Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weekes, shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himselfe, and the people of the Prince that shall come, shall destroy the citie, and the Sanctuarie, and the ende thereof shall be with a flood, and vnto the ende of the warre desolations are determined.

Appears you swallowed an elephant.

LOL. Let's see how he gets around this one. And you know he will try.

 

[covenantee]

Nope

Dan 9 has everything to do with Gods answer to daniels prayer, concerning his people. And his holy city

dan 9: 24 “Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,

No mention of the messiah..

Read to verse 25. You'll see Him.

Then read to verse 26. You'll see Him again.

Then read to verse 27. You'll see Him again.

 

[covenantee]

The leader of a future people (I Believe Muslim) that will surround a future Jerusalem with armies, in response to future Jews that have taken their holy mosque on the dome of the rock, to build a future Jewish Temple

Only if you flunked kindergarten grammar.

The grammatical referent of the prince in verse 26 is Messiah the Prince in verse 25.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He is mentioned shortly after that. Should that be ignored?

No, it just shows he is part of the prophecy, it does not mean the prophecy is about him

Its about Ythe nation of israel and the city of Jerusalem.

How else can reconciliation be made for iniquity besides Jesus sacrificing Himself on the cross? Just because He is not specifically mentioned in verse 24 doesn't mean the things mentioned in that verse have nothing to do with Him.

Your stuck on one aspect.

Why was daniel praying for his people and his city. What punishment did God impose on the children of Israel because of their sin, Why did Daniel pray for God to relent of his punishment?

This is the context of the prophecy. Not the church, Not the messiah. It is Gods answer to daniels prayer.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Read to verse 25. You'll see Him.

Then read to verse 26. You'll see Him again.

Then read to verse 27. You'll see Him again.

Well, he is not in verse 27, but it does not matter, I proved what the prophecy is about.

YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR HOLY CITY

Now you can deny that is what it is about all you want. But it will just prove to me even more you do not know what the prophecy is about.

 

[covenantee]

Your claim is a man made fairy tale concerning the 70th week of Daniel, it will be the (man of sin/the beast) that makes a future covenant in the middle of a future 70th week, 33AD Calvary played no part in the 70th week fulfillment as reformed preterist eschatology falsely teaches

You've been duped and deceived by the fantasies and fallacies of Darby/Scofield dispensational futurism.

Try getting back to the faith "once for all time handed down to the saints". (Jude 1:3 NASB)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sometimes I just want to scream

The feeling is mutual.

And he will confirm a covenant with many for 1 week.

Please explain how you get what you said above out of these words??

For one thing that wording is a bit awkward and can potentially be taken in multiple ways. Can you acknowledge that? It could be taken to mean the covenant itself lasts for 1 week, as you do, but it also can be taken to be saying it will take 1 week to confirm a covenant of unspecified duration, as I do. Not sure why you can't understand this. It must be your doctrinal bias preventing you from being objective.

Are you saying He is not Jesus?

LOL. Of course not. Have you completely lost your mind at this point. Over and over again I have indicated that I believe Daniel 9:27 is talking about Jesus confirming the new covenant and you're asking me this question?

Are you saying he did not confirm a covenant for 1 week (7 years)

No, I'm saying He did and I've given an explanation for what I believe that means.

which is it.. because your making my head spin

Wake up and just read what I'm saying. It's not that hard. I have repeatedly indicated that I believe Daniel 9:27 is talking about Jesus confirming the eternal new covenant and that it took 7 years to confirm the new covenant. What is so hard to understand about that? Whether you agree with me or not, you should be able to understand what I'm saying.

 

[covenantee]

Well, he is not in verse 27, but it does not matter, I proved what the prophecy is about.

YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR HOLY CITY

Now you can deny that is what it is about all you want. But it will just prove to me even more you do not know what the prophecy is about.

The grammatical referent of the "He's" in verse 27 is "the prince" in verse 26, the referent of which is "Messiah the Prince" in verse 25.

Daniel 9 is all about Messiah the Prince.

 

[Truth7t7]

See, now this is why I digress. And refuse to talk with certain people

Muslim.. give me a break..

Rome (europe) is not Muslim..

Nor will the antichrist be Muslim He will set HIMSELF up as Gods messiah, which means he must destroy all religions INCLUDING ISLAM.

Correction to post# 317

Those that surround and attack Jerusalem will be Muslim, the future antichrist will be a Jew, please review my correction in post #317

As verse 37 clearly shows below, he won't won't regard (the God of his fathers) the true Hebrew God

Daniel 11:36-37KJV
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well, he is not in verse 27, but it does not matter, I proved what the prophecy is about.

YOUR PEOPLE AND YOUR HOLY CITY

Now you can deny that is what it is about all you want. But it will just prove to me even more you do not know what the prophecy is about.

If Jesus has nothing to do with the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 (only talking about verse 24 itself here) as you seem to be saying, then tell me how reconciliation for iniquity can be accomplished apart from Jesus.

 

[Truth7t7]

From the original 1611 KJV:

Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weekes, shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himselfe, and the people of the Prince that shall come, shall destroy the citie, and the Sanctuarie, and the ende thereof shall be with a flood, and vnto the ende of the warre desolations are determined.

Appears you swallowed an elephant.

BibleGateway: Authorized King James Version

Daniel 9:25-26AKJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[covenantee]

BibleGateway: Authorized King James Version

Daniel 9:25-26AKJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

And when was the BibleGateway: Authorized King James Version written?

Hint: Not 1611.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

BibleGateway: Authorized King James Version

Daniel 9:25-26AKJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Revelation 1:5 AKJV And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And when was the BibleGateway: Authorized King James Version written?

Hint: Not 1611.

As I prophesied, he's trying to get around it.

 

[jeffweeder]

If Jesus has nothing to do with the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 (only talking about verse 24 itself here) as you seem to be saying, then tell me how reconciliation for iniquity can be accomplished apart from Jesus.

Good question.
All 6points are accomplished by the cross of Jesus in the midst of the final week.

He took my iniquity , sin , transgressions upon himself and gave to me his everlasting righteousness. The holy Spirit then came upon the disciples to confirm the new cov for the second half of the week for Daniels people.

The Gospel then immediately went to the Gentiles.

 

[Truth7t7]

And when was the BibleGateway: Authorized King James Version written?

Hint: Not 1611.

You deny that the future, literal, visible,second coming is seen below, you also deny the resurrection is taking place in angels gathering, please correct me if I'm wrong?

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Truth7t7]

Good question.
All 6points are accomplished by the cross of Jesus in the midst of the final week.

He took my iniquity , sin , transgressions upon himself and gave to me his everlasting righteousness. The holy Spirit then came upon the disciples to confirm the new cov for the second half of the week for Daniels people.

The Gospel then immediately went to the Gentiles.

Please show me "Historically" where a call to build a wall and street, and building this wall and street took (69 weeks/483 years) in its process prior to (33AD Calvary) that you believe is the 70th continous week of Daniel, waiting?

Daniel 9:25KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

 

[covenantee]

You deny that the future, literal, visible,second coming is seen below, you also deny the resurrection is taking place in angels gathering, please correct me if I'm wrong?

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Your memory's as bad as your hermeneutics.

I said yesterday that those verses were literal.

Meanwhile, you're too afraid to tackle Genesis 3:15.