Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?
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You miss a big difference.
God created animal souls as generic souls. "Disposable souls."
When God created man and woman's souls?
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27
Animal souls were not created in God's image.
Animal souls are disposable. That is why God has certain animals for our food.
A man's soul will live (or will exist) forever and can not be destroyed.
Our bodies were designed for this temporary physical creation and will
have parallels with animal bodies.... But, the soul of a man is a creation
onto itself much different than an animal soul..
Don't skim the surface... Find the depth!
grace and peace ...............
Triumph1300
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Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?
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Because..
Romans 1:19-20 they accept, not reject....
Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—
have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
grace and peace ............
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No, no, no Gen...the soul of animal is the same as a human with only one slight difference and that is our capacity to reason morally. There is no divine essence that wafts back to God when we die. Immortality is a thing sought and not in our possession.
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Man's soul will end in the Lake of Fire if he rejects God.
It does not cease to exist.
Animals are disposable souls.
They serve a function in this created world.
That's curious. What's the difference?
"Man's soul will end in the Lake of Fire... It does not cease to exist."
How can a soul "end" and yet "not cease to exist."? ???
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Soul means life, body...living being...the lake of fire is figurative language for something which is utterly destroyed (not a literal lake LOL)...with is why the grave, death and sin are personified as being removed from the earth. Nothing in man is eternal except the knowledge of God, but this ceases to exist upon death...which is why it can be said "your life is hid with Christ" and when Christ appears you life will appear also! God can bring to mind all those who are but dust.
This is Bible truth and I come from a position of confidence because the Bible is super clear on the state of the dead, and not one person in this forum has ever, in the many years of me being a member, ever proven the existence of an ethereal spirit existing after dead.
Many have tried in vain.
F2F
Where does it say the soul will end? It will be in a constant state of death. In a constant state without a body a soul needs to be connected to the world its in... But, it does not say the existence of a soul will terminate anywhere in the Bible.
What is a dead soul?
We already have the walking dead existing amongst us.
Jesus said as much.
And Jesus said to him, “Leave the dead to bury their own dead.
But as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” Luke 9:60
The dead are souls without regeneration. Not having a human spirit.
grace and peace ................
That's an interesting view.
I understand that there are two kinds of life and two kinds of death.
1) Physical life and physical death
2) Spiritual life and spiritual death
What do you make of that?
Does everyone have the opportunity to "reject" God?
I'm not sure how that works across the world and across time/history.
Men do not reject Jesus Christ simply when presented the Gospel.
Their "rejection" is symptomatic of the root cause of their rejection.
The rejection that condemns them took place while God was drawing that person.
That is why it says, he stands "already condemned."
For the person who does not come to Christ refused to be fully drawn by God!
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe
stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of
God’s one and only Son." John 3:18
The Father hands a person over to the Son only after the Father was able to draw that soul.
But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes
to me I will never drive away." John 6:36-37
But, the soul that rebuffs God while drawing him? God will not hand him over to the Son to believe.
For, that person refused God drawing. When refused? God condemns that person right then and there.
The condemned will not become handed over to the Son to believe.
That their rejection of Jesus Christ is manifested as unbelief because they were 'already condemned.'
When an unbeliever refuses to believe In Jesus? He is not condemned because he rejected Jesus.
For it says he was *already* condemned. Condemned because he refused the drawing of God!
grace and peace ..................
That assumes that everyone was drawn. ???
Does not God choose whom he will draw? (or not)
All others are condemned, I suppose.
Wait... !!!
It can't mean that, can it?
The "already condemned" and the "because he refused" are not aligning here. Send help. - LOL
Let's take the worst, most disgusting kind of reprobate the Bible mentions?
Even such as those, God attempted drawing them!
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness
and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since
what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it
plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—
his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave
thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts
were darkened." Romans 1:18-20
They were definitely being drawn by God!
They refused! Then after refusing God's drawing?
God condemned them. Condemned and had them drawn and quartered!
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Who does God hand over to Jesus so they will believe?
Those whom God was able to draw.
Those the Father hands over were not condemned by Him.
Why would someone be already condemned?
For refusing God's drawing!
Stumpmaster
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They trust in their academic ability to the point they are no longer "abiding in the vine", no longer drawing sustenance from Christ.
I thought that the condemnation was an issue of original sin. ??? (Adam)
Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
I'm not sure that the draw of God can be resisted.
But then, I don't believe in a free-will decision.
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But, we're changing it to why some do not believe in Jesus.
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