Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

[Behold]

And, if you want to be taught exegesis straight from the pulpit (recorded), this pastor never would shy away from doing so for the seminary students
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Im familiar with manuscript evidence., and i have no desire to read the interpretations of so called, "scholarship" that has no trust in the bible , as being the word of God.

Thats a fact.

 

[MatthewG]

Isn't the current role of a "Christian Scholar" to be a "Bible Corrector", who teaches that the Koine Greek is the "original" word of God and the Bible is one big mass of " translator's errors".

That's not really Scholarship, unless the Devil is handing out the Diploma's.

I see this carnal nonsense most often related to the KJV< as there is a huge cult of "KJV haters" on the planet.

What is interesting about this, is that the Pastor who led them to the Lord, more than likely, used the KJV.

I use a few different versions, but i notice that the KJV is always getting abused by "so called" Scholarship and by people who have been mislead by the same.

It shouldn't be about correcting people, but sharing truth with one another.

There are those who will consider information, then check out the sources, then either change their mind or not change their mind.

I really like the fact that there are so many different translations out in the world though many people have an issue with it, it is really is the spirit that makes the difference. Cause each bible is inspired by their own way of taking what is written, and that is okay to me in my opinion, because they have literal translations from greek to english, then you have paraphrases, and I dont mind the New living translation as it is a very much easier book to read for those who are not so well in reading.

Glad and thankful for all the translators out there, and even when they found the dead sea scrolls, and compared those to the writings that were copied over time is great, all the information is great, wisdom and understanding for those who love their souls will prosper in knowing the truth and be able to share that truth with others.

There is one problem that is faced though - will they continue to seek out God in faith, or forget him and leave him all together when trouble abounds.

 

[MatthewG]

It shouldn't be about correcting people, but sharing truth with one another.

There are those who will consider information, then check out the sources, then either change their mind or not change their mind.

I really like the fact that there are so many different translations out in the world though many people have an issue with it, it is really is the spirit that makes the difference. Cause each bible is inspired by their own way of taking what is written, and that is okay to me in my opinion, because they have literal translations from greek to english, then you have paraphrases, and I dont mind the New living translation as it is a very much easier book to read for those who are not so well in reading.

Glad and thankful for all the translators out there, and even when they found the dead sea scrolls, and compared those to the writings that were copied over time is great, all the information is great, wisdom and understanding for those who love their souls will prosper in knowing the truth and be able to share that truth with others.

There is one problem that is faced though - will they continue to seek out God in faith, or forget him and leave him all together when trouble abounds.

There are six books I own for help in study.

Amazon.com

(HOLMAN study bible)

https://www.christianbook.com/vines-complete-expository-dictionary-testament-words/w-e-vine/9780785260202

(Hebrew and Greek dictionary)

https://www.christianbook.com/nkjv-thompson-chain-reference-bible-hardcover/9780310459989

(Just a great overview of the bible in a form of topics over 8,000)

https://www.christianbook.com/josephus-the-complete-works/9780785250500/

(Always use to be near where bibles were sold a inter-testimonial from someone who lived in the times of the apostles)

Revelations on Revelation — Shawn McCraney

Footnotes on the Book of Revelation.

shawnmccraney.com

(Just a general summary off foot notes of and on Revelation, there is a bigger collection found (Revelations on Revelation | Commentary Collection, Volumes 1-22 — Shawn McCraney)

 

[Behold]

Cause each bible is inspired by their own way of taking what is written,

New Bibles are created first of all , to make money.

2nd, they are created in a way that teaches the doctrine of the particular cult-group that has created it.
They way they do that, is they modify verses, doctrinally, so that it reflects their particular groups point of view.
For example... in the Case of the NIV... the creators are against the deity of Christ, so, they change or omit words in certain verses that would prove the deity of Christ.

There are some good bibles, but there are many that are not just bad translations, but they are spiritually defiled.

 

[St. SteVen]

I always wondered about guys like Ravi Zacharias....
How can you work and spend your life this way just to throw it all away?

I listened to him out of a Canadian radio station as a teenager....seen his tracts and literature....

Just to find out after he died that he was a lecherous man. Kinda nuts....

Was it burnout or something?

When we make a god out of a human...
we are ASKING for trouble.

We should not be putting our leaders on a pedestal.
They are, after all STILL human.

Ask yourself, "Did I sin during the time that Ravi Zacharias was ministering?"
I know I did. --- So, why do we wonder about him? Granted, what happened with
him was VERY messed up. But the enemy throws HUGE temptations at
leaders that are that visible. How many walked away after that?

HUGE ministry > HUGE following > HUGE temptations > HUGE fall > HUGE fallout > HUGE win for the enemy

 

[MatthewG]

New Bibles are created first of all , to make money.

2nd, they are created in a way that teaches the doctrine of the particular cult-group that has created it.
They way they do that, is they modify verses, doctrinally, so that it reflects their particular groups point of view.
For example... in the Case of the NIV... the creators are against the deity of Christ, so, they change or omit words in certain verses that would prove the deity of Christ.

There are some good bibles, but there are many that are not just bad translations, but they are spiritually defiled.

Thompson Chain Reference NKJV (Updated and revised 2023) is one of the best in my opinion.

It's really about the heart of an individual in the end, do they desire to do Gods will, and have a heart for God or not.

:) There could be some corrupted bibles out there is no denying that here cause I mean people who try to deceive and fool others would want that to be, it could be the mind of a person who is 'mentally insane', dont know but do try to keep it where truth is, cause that is what is beneficial overall things, considering and looking towards wisdom.

People should check out the bible it never hurts to learn or study in my opinion but always remember to think and challenge your self and traditions over what people may tell you to believe... cause that is where you can get hurt really bad.

 

[Behold]

Thompson Chain Reference NKJV (Updated and revised 2023) is one of the best in my opinion.

:) There could be some corrupted bibles out there is no denying that here cause I mean people who try to deceive and fool others

That's a good one.

Also, imagine who would be the cause of this "CONFUSION"..


Lets say im preaching to a group of 200.

I say, """""""lets turn to verse""""".........and i start reading it.

And 56 people in the audience are looking at me as if im glowing in the dark.
Why?
Because their so called "Bible" does not even have the verse in it, that im Reading.

What is that?

"CONFUSION">.. and who is the "author of confusion and every evil work"?

A.) THE DEVIL.

So, he has a lot of "bibles" up and running that cause people to misunderstand the most basic Theology.

"confusion".

 

[Rockerduck]

New Bibles are created first of all , to make money.

2nd, they are created in a way that teaches the doctrine of the particular cult-group that has created it.
They way they do that, is they modify verses, doctrinally, so that it reflects their particular groups point of view.
For example... in the Case of the NIV... the creators are against the deity of Christ, so, they change or omit words in certain verses that would prove the deity of Christ.

There are some good bibles, but there are many that are not just bad translations, but they are spiritually defiled.

Westcott and Hort were occultists too. Even after making the NIV for money.

 

[MatthewG]

That's a good one.

Also, imagine who would be the cause of this "CONFUSION"..


Lets say im preaching to a group of 200.

I say, """""""lets turn to verse""""".........and i start reading it.

And 56 people in the audience are looking at me as if im glowing in the dark.
Why?
Because their so called "Bible" does not even have the verse in it, that im Reading.

What is that?

"CONFUSION">.. and who is the "author of confusion and every evil work"?

A.) THE DEVIL.

So, he has a lot of "bibles" up and running that cause people to misunderstand the most basic Theology.

"confusion".

Well, a real rendering needs to take in chapter to chapter; verse by verse.

That is the responsiblity to all individuals in the world who are able to read and write - that have heard of the Lord Jesus if they desire to know more about them.

Everyone starts out as a babe, some people stay in the way (outer court), some stay in the truth (inner court), some decide to go full in to the holy of holies (life.)

How far a person is willingly to go to drink the blood of Jesus, and the eat of his flesh is totally up to them.

( I dont blame the devil as I believe he has been taken care of) I believe it deals more along the lines of people who have not been properly fed, and misguided by other people whom have come along in their life... God sees this and knows it. Some willingly reject all their life and stay in unbelief, some start out believing and walk away. It's all predicated on what a person desires internally.

 

[Behold]

Westcott and Hort were occultists too. Even after making the NIV for money.

Yes.

And there was a time when the "Nestle's Text" was the Textus Receptus... but "more recent scholarship" eventually took over and they implemented a "new standard" that is defective.

 

[Behold]

( I dont blame the devil as I believe he has been taken care of)

Then you dont believe Peter...

As Peter said... AFTER Jesus was Crucified, that "YOUR ADVISORY, the DEVIL"">..


So, Satan loves it when a "believer" does not realize that when Paul said that we are to """"put on the whole Armor of God to "stand against the wiles of the DEVIL"..... that this is TRUE.

You might want to "cast out" your commentaries and the idiot or idiot "theologians' who taught you to believe that the Devil is not up and running and will kill YOU TODAY if he can.

Has He tempted you with DRUGS recently?
Women?
Porn ??
Other ?????

Yeah, he's the one.

Watch out for Him, as He's not your friend.

 

[Taken]

Not true.
These were professing Christians. Scholars, professors, missionaries...

Professing “Christians; Scholars; Professors; Missionaries” Does NOT equate to Mean…
Converted IN Christ.

Christians, scholars, Professors, Missionaries can 180 all day long and hop on a different path.
WHY (would they)?
Rejecting Christ Jesus’ Path and hopping on an Anti-Christ path;
** IS world wide promoted, tolerated, accepted and a faddish IN Vogue viewpoint.
** Also IN Vogue IS umpteen sideline “groups” willing to Promote “having your back” Against trials, tribulations and persecutions for openly voicing and participation in Anti-God rhetoric.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[MatthewG]

Then you dont believe Peter...

As Peter said... AFTER Jesus was Crucified, that "YOUR ADVISORY, the DEVIL"">..


So, Satan loves it when a "believer" does not realize that when Paul said that we are to """"put on the whole Armor of God to "stand against the wiles of the DEVIL"..... that this is TRUE.

You might want to "cast out" your commentaries and the idiot or idiot "theologians' who taught you to believe that the Devil is not up and running and will kill YOU TODAY if he can.

Has He tempted you with DRUGS recently?
Women?
Porn ??
Other ?????

Yeah, he's the one.

Watch out for Him, as He's not your friend.

Oh yeah, God knows what I do when I am by myself.

Just the other day, we kind of had a struggle with the ol Porn.

You know I dont ever want to have a wife, nor do I want to have children. ( I just do not seek for it anymore because after about 7-8 years now of being alone, I have become complacent )

Ol David struggled with ol beersheba.

2 Samuel 11:
11 And it came to pass, after the year was expired, at the time when kings go forth to battle, that David sent Joab, and his servants with him, and all Israel; and they destroyed the children of Ammon, and besieged Rabbah. But David tarried still at Jerusalem.

2 And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king's house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon.

3 And David sent and enquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?

My sins aren't gonna get me to have guilt - when I don't act upon them and I do have guilt when I do act upon them: I go to God in honesty and let him know I am a 'prick on a rose push' sometimes its really good to know that God is there, and that he does love me, and he doesn't put me to shame or condemn me, the sin in me is what condemns me and I thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Rom. 7 Verses 24 to 25[24] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

You can say the ol Devils around; but I believe in Jesus who has had victory, not one who is still losing to the devil, and everyone is responsible for the choices they make, and to be honest before God is what God desires for us as human beings to do.

 

[MatthewG]

There is not a just man on earth who doesn't sin. Ecclesiastes 7:20 King James Version (KJV)For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Falling short in some category or another.

James says it's sin with-in us, that comes about and Paul makes that clear also.

James wrote to his audience the twelve tribes saying:

James 1:12-18​

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King James Version​

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12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Nothing here says anything about being "tempted by the devil" - sure adversaries can be your own mind or perhaps another person that is trying to get you to sin, but Satan has been done away with he can't do anything today. There could be others trying to coheres you or prod you, or even goad you.

The choice is either give in, or give into abiding in Christ.

John 15:[5] I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. [6] If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

I imagine that Christians who end up doing their own choice have a burning of the concious decision and know what they did was not right, and they will call out to the Lord, and he will show mercy...

It's not about sinning and never having any guilt because that would not be good at all... Paul talks clearly to the saints in Rome - that those whom are Christ are to die to sin - that sin with-in them - and allow God to write on their hearts and minds.

That burning could also have something to do with the Lake of Fire - in the afterlife of those who are unrepentant but I believe if God is a consuming fire, and the fire comes from him, and he is good, there is a purpose in that.

 

[Behold]

You can say the ol Devils around; but I believe in Jesus who has had victory,

I just showed you plainly that 2 Apostles told you in your "Thompson Chain Reference" that The DEVIL is after your life and your daily focus.

You prefer to live in "well, here is what i choose to think".

So, have it.
Keep struggling, and keep not realizing that the DEVIL is on your case, and will stay there, as you give him license by not resisting him.

 

[MatthewG]

I just showed you plainly that 2 Apostles told you in your "Thompson Chain Reference" that The DEVIL is after your life and your daily focus.

You prefer to live in "well, here is what i choose to think".

So, have it.
Keep struggling, and keep not realizing that the DEVIL is on your case, and will stay there, as you give him license by not resisting him.

Now you are getting into goading territory. I simply disagree with you, and with that I will leave it up to you what you may respond with next. As I trust fully in that Jesus Christ has had victory over the devil. You are more than welcome to disagree with that, but to goad, or to harass, you will be reported. I will not tolerate it from anyone on this forum board.

 

[St. SteVen]

Westcott and Hort were occultists too. Even after making the NIV for money.

Wow. Bearing false witness?
Are you KJO? (sure sounds like it)

 

[St. SteVen]

Professing “Christians; Scholars; Professors; Missionaries” Does NOT equate to Mean…
Converted IN Christ.

Anyone else you want to toss in your dumpster? WOW.

 

[Behold]

Now you are getting into goading territory. I simply disagree with you,

You simple read that Peter and Paul told you that the Devil is after you, and you then told us that...>"well, i have my opinion and i choose to disagree with THEM".

But i appreciate that you feel that what they said, is what "behold teaches", as, you are correct.

 

[Rockerduck]

Wow. Bearing false witness?
Are you KJO? (sure sounds like it)

NKJV is what I use. It is real close to the ESV. But has most of the verses left out on new translations. I also refer back to the KJV because it has all the verses, and says the most in less words than all translations.