Who founded your church?

[mjrhealth]

Your right I had the wrong verse
Lk 22:32 Peter commanded to strengthen the other apostles

And that has what to do with your religion???? are you going to forever join Christ to the harlot.

 

[mjrhealth]

matt 16:18 days Jesus builds a church? What church?

Your so blind you cannot seee. How does one that is blind see the light.

 

[farouk]

and that is how I feel about the Catholic church... and I have come out of her because I do not desire to be a partaker of her sins. I believe that anyone who joins her/supports her will go down with her.

@Adoration Ephesians 1 indeed says that the Lord Jesus is 'given to be head over all things to the church, which is His body'.

 

[tabletalk]

@Heart2Soul @lforrest @rockytopva @Angelina
Mods, this guy 'theefaith' has monopolized these forums with his narrow-minded and incessant Catholic propaganda.
I don't mind controversy, or one defending their faith on any level, but I can't seem to find a thread that this guy hasn't started. And, irrespective of how he tries to title the OP in a unique manner, it invariably has a Catholic spin to it. Meaning, it's the same topic every time.

I've been trying to avoid him due to what I believe to be his non-negotiable stance, and unwillingness to acknowledge other people's comments with the same consideration he expects from others (judging by his abundance of threads), but, I can't, he's started almost every singly thread on the first page of the currently active threads.

Is there not a policy that limits one person from inundating the forums with their OPs (eg: 1 OP per week), and disallows them to repeat threads over and over again?
Again, I'm having a hard time just trying to avoid him because he's monopolized all the threads?

It might help to think of him as an unbeliever since he is defending the Church of Rome.

 

[Brakelite]

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

This was the most appropriate explanation of the meaning of baptism. It means self sacrificial death... Being United in Christ's death on the cross, buried with Him, and resurrected with Him. The only people who can be justified in going through such a ritual are those who beforehand have spiritually made such a choice to lay down their old lives, surrendering them to death, that Christ may live in them. Babies... Non Christians... Those who have not submitted themselves to death of theory old carnal sinful fleshly nature, should not be baptised. You cannot force such a decision on anyone. Including babies.

 

[Marymog]

Yes, very, very much so, ...that is why I am adamantly non-denominational. I believe in your tenet that Jesus and the Apostles handed down the word of God, orally, written, by whatever means available - Paul received most by Revelation, directly from Jesus Christ himself. But, where it is now in its entirety, cannot be defined. Savage wolves infiltrated the Church right from inception. There is no perfect denomination or Church in existence today - this is why I constantly assert that salvation is at the individual level, not congregational or denominational.

Thank you DNB.

You have been very clear in what you believe and I appreciate clarity. When people use vague words it is easy to read into what one THINKS they are saying. I do that....read into things.... often on this forum and it frustrates people. :cool:

I agree with you and Scripture makes it clear that "wolves infiltrated the Church right from inception". After all, that is what some of the Epistles are written about. They are letters to individual churches because there were divisions amongst them (1 Corinthians 11:18 ) and one of those divisions was settled at the Council of Jerusalem so they wrote a letter to all the churches telling them what they WILL believe on the matter of circumcision.

Scripture also makes it clear that the NT Christians were a 'congregation'! They had a hierarchy and there were men in authority over the rest of the congregation the congregation was instructed to submit too that authority (Acts 20:28, 1 Peter 5:1-4, Hebrews 13:17, 1 Thessalonians 5:12-14 Matthew 18:17 etc). There was no lone wolf "individual level".

Mary

 

[Philip James]

Your so blind you cannot seee. How does one that is blind see the light.

If you were blind, there would be no sin in that. But I see, you say, and so your sin remains...

 

[BreadOfLife]

I was solely referring to the ascetic aspect of his lifestyle, this was the topic, remember?

Hmmmmm, 800 years of untold THOUSANDS of Franciscan priests, brothers and nuns who have taken the vow of poverty, lived lives of prayer and fasting for the edification of the Body of Christ - ALL following the example of Francis of Assissi.
And YOU claim that he "wasted" his time on practices that didn't edify. I guess Paul (Romans 8:13; see also Col. 3:5, and Gal. 5:24) and John the Baptist (Matt. 3:4) did, too.

"Wasted" time? Again - only if YOU believe that edifying the Body is "wasteful" . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

This was the most appropriate explanation of the meaning of baptism. It means self sacrificial death... Being United in Christ's death on the cross, buried with Him, and resurrected with Him. The only people who can be justified in going through such a ritual are those who beforehand have spiritually made such a choice to lay down their old lives, surrendering them to death, that Christ may live in them. Babies... Non Christians... Those who have not submitted themselves to death of theory old carnal sinful fleshly nature, should not be baptised. You cannot force such a decision on anyone. Including babies.

Hmmmmmmm, I guess ALL of those little Jewish babies went straight to Hell after being circumcised and entered the Covenant with God in the OT - since THEY didn't make the decision to enter the Covenant in the first place.

It's a crime against GOD Himself that anti-Catholics discard His little ones because you FAIL to grasp get the Gospel message - because Jesus didn't:
Matt. 18:3
“Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will NEVER enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus NEVER said that unless we become like "ADULTS", we'll never enter the kingdom of heaven - DID He?

 

[theefaith]

And that has what to do with your religion???? are you going to forever join Christ to the harlot.

shows peter is the prince of the apostles head of the church on earth

 

[theefaith]

Your so blind you cannot seee. How does one that is blind see the light.

I don’t believe denominational indifferentism and more that I believe religious indifferentism, I’m sure you are confused

 

[theefaith]

This was the most appropriate explanation of the meaning of baptism. It means self sacrificial death... Being United in Christ's death on the cross, buried with Him, and resurrected with Him. The only people who can be justified in going through such a ritual are those who beforehand have spiritually made such a choice to lay down their old lives, surrendering them to death, that Christ may live in them. Babies... Non Christians... Those who have not submitted themselves to death of theory old carnal sinful fleshly nature, should not be baptised. You cannot force such a decision on anyone. Including babies.

If it is not possible it is not required
Adult must make a profession of faith
And parents must make a promise to raise and educate their children in the faith
Nowhere does the Bible say do not baptize infants, or his whole household was baptized except infants

Acts 2:41 acts 16:15

acts 2:39 promise is to your children

believers baptism is meaningless

Baptism regeneration is what justifies
Mk 16:16

 

[mjrhealth]

If you were blind, there would be no sin in that. But I see, you say, and so your sin remains...

Yes your sin does, there is no salvation in mens religions only Christ

 

[theefaith]

Yes your sin does, there is no salvation in mens religions only Christ

What men’s religion are you talking about?

the Christian religion was founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles
It is a divine religion

 

[mjrhealth]

What men’s religion are you talking about?

the Christian religion was founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles
It is a divine religion

Never was when will you stop selling lies, lies dont come from God... whos side are you on.

 

[rockytopva]

matt 16:18 days Jesus builds a church? What church?

Hopefully not the church Nancy Pelosi and Al Biden attend!

 

[Renniks]

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and BE BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Now - you can TRY and intrepret this as a mere "symbol" - but it is speaks explicitly to the fact that Baptism is the way you are FORGIVEN of your sins and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Denial ain't juSt a river in Egypt, my friend . . .

Those who hold to the belief that baptism is required for salvation are quick to point to this verse and the fact that it says “be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins,” assuming that the word translated “for” in this verse means “in order to get.” However, in both Greek and English, there are many possible usages of the word “for.”
The Greek word is eis. This is a common Greek word (it is used 1774 times in the New Testament) that is translated many different ways. Like the English word “for” it can have several different meanings. Noted Greek scholars as A.T. Robertson and J.R. Mantey have maintained that the Greek preposition eis in Acts 2:38 should be translated “because of” or “in view of,” and not “in order to,” or “for the purpose of.”
See Matthew 12:41 where the word eis communicates the “result” of an action. In this case it is said that the people of Nineveh “repented at the preaching of Jonah” (the word translated “at” is the same Greek word eis). Clearly, the meaning of this passage is that they repented “because of’” or “as the result of” Jonah’s preaching. In the same way, it would be possible that Acts 2:38 is indeed communicating the fact that they were to be baptized “as the result of” or “because” they already had believed and in doing so had already received forgiveness of their sins.

The fact that baptism is not required to receive forgiveness and the gift of the Holy Spirit should also be evident by simply reading a little farther in the book of Acts. In Acts 10:43, Peter tells Cornelius that “through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins” (please note that nothing at this point has been mentioned about being baptized, yet Peter connects believing in Christ with the act of receiving forgiveness for sins). The next thing that happens is, having believed Peter’s message about Christ, the “Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message” (Acts 10:44). It is only after they had believed, and therefore received forgiveness of their sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit, that Cornelius and his household were baptized.

 

[Renniks]

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration, the fire is the love of God

You aren't even listening, just repeating the same partial verses.

 

[Renniks]

Dogma

Sacraments

162. The Sacraments of the New Covenant contain the grace which they signify, and bestow it on
those who do not hinder it.
163. The Sacraments work ex opere operato (simply by being done).
164. All the Sacraments of the New Covenant confer sanctifying grace on the receivers.
165. Three Sacraments, Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Orders, imprint a character, that is, an
indelible spiritual mark, and for this reason cannot be repeated.
166. The Sacramental Character is a spiritual mark imprinted on the soul.
167. The Sacramental Character continues at least until the death of its bearer.
168. All the Sacraments of the New Covenant were instituted by Jesus Christ.
169. There are Seven Sacraments of the New Law.
170. The Sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for the salvation of mankind.
171. For the valid dispensing of the Sacraments it is necessary that the minister accomplish the
Sacramental Sign in the proper manner.
172. The minister must further have the intention at least of doing what the Church does.
173. In the case of adult recipients moral worthiness is necessary for the worthy or fruitful reception of the Sacraments.

Baptism

174. Baptism is a true Sacrament instituted by Jesus Christ.
175. The materia remota of the Sacrament of Baptism is true and natural water.
176. Baptism confers the grace of justification.
177. Baptism effects the remission of all punishments of sin, both the eternal and the temporal.
178. Eve if it be unworthily received, valid Baptism imprints on the soul of the recipient an
indelible spiritual mark, the Baptismal Character, and for this reason, the Sacrament cannot
be repeated.
179. Baptism by water (Baptismus fluminis) is, since the promulgation of the Gospel, necessary
for all men without exception, for salvation.
180. Baptism can be validly administered by anyone.
181. Baptism can be received by any person in the wayfaring state who is not already baptised.
182. The Baptism of young children is valid and licit.

That's from a man-made doctrine, not scripture.

 

[theefaith]

Never was when will you stop selling lies, lies dont come from God... whos side are you on.

then who founded the Christian religion