Where does the Pope get his authority?

[Behold]

Wow...Such a detailed summary of the "dark ages" of Christianity. You have an incredible grasp and teaching ability of Christian History. Thank you.....

The Dark Ages "church" is the "cult of the Virgin".

The "Bride of Christ" is not that one.

 

[Marymog]

Am I under any obligation to obey a tyrant who usurps government powers? Am I obliged to obey just anyone who claims to be the boss of whatever organisation or institution I choose to belong to? Would I not expect to see some credentials before submitting to their rule? Or do I bundle place my entire eternal future in the hands of any Tom, Dick or Harry that comes along? You cannot impose such a wide broad context upon one scripture and expect everyone to humbly bow down and merely surrender their spiritual welfare to others. Will they stand by me holding my hand and defend me when Jesus says, "depart from Me, I never knew you"? Will the Pope defend me? No. He won't even be there. We stand before the judgement seat of Christ alone. No-one else except Jesus Himself will be there to defend us. And His defense will be, "is this not a brand plucked out of the fire?"

We have been thru this MULTIPLE time Brakelite. Let's try it again.

YOU have decided what the truth of Scripture is. If anyone disagrees with YOU then you have made it clear that YOU will not obey them. You consider yourself the pillar and foundation of truth. YOU have decided that EG White is the person you agree with even though I am willing to bet you think that EG White was wrong about some things. True or not? Do you agree with EG White and her minions ALL THE TIME?

Can your church kick you out if you disobey them?

 

[Marymog]

The Dark Ages "church" is the "cult of the Virgin".

The "Bride of Christ" is not that one.

Wow...I didn't know that. Tell me more.... (on pins and needles)

 

[Marymog]

Careful to not be presenting yourself the hypocrite. Surely you do not blindly obey the church regardless of whether they teach scripture or not?
KJV Acts 17:10-11
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
According to the Bible, it is a noble thing to search the scriptures and confirm that teachers are telling the truth.
Why did you join the Catholic church? Because you believed the priest, or because you believed the word of God?

YOU DIDN"T ANSWER THE Question DODGEBALL:

Does the SDA teach the truth? Is that why you joined?

 

[Behold]

Wow...I didn't know that. Tell me more.... (on pins and needles)

The reason you do "penance" is because Jerome mistranslated "Repentance" as "Penance".

Martin Luther, at that time, read this.....as He was also a "Catholic Translator".. and he realized that Jerome was mistranslating according to Jerome's point of view.... that denied God's Grace.

So, we can thank JEROME for helping the "protestant" reformation = come into existence, ......while you can thank Jerome for putting a man made NT rejecting burden on you, for most of your Life.

See what happens when you are trapped by a Cult?

Done any penance lately @Marymog ?

You will...., and you can thank JEROME for that unscriptural behavior the next time you are lightning a candle for "perpetual virgin" Mary.

 

[Marymog]

Careful to not be presenting yourself the hypocrite. Surely you do not blindly obey the church regardless of whether they teach scripture or not?
KJV Acts 17:10-11
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
According to the Bible, it is a noble thing to search the scriptures and confirm that teachers are telling the truth.
Why did you join the Catholic church? Because you believed the priest, or because you believed the word of God?

You crack me up Brakelite....What happens if you don't obey your church?

Oh wait....here is what happens: If members of the church go contrary to these rules, they make themselves subjects for church discipline,.....

So if you don't believe your elders, you get disciplined?

 

[Marymog]

The reason you do "penance" is because Jerome mistranslated "Repentance" as "Penance".

Martin Luther, at that time, read this.....as He was also a "Catholic Translator".. and he realized that Jerome was mistranslating according to Jerome's point of view.... that denied God's Grace.

So, we can thank JEROME for helping the "protestant" reformation = come into existence, ......while you can thank Jerome for putting a man made NT rejecting burden on you, for most of your Life.

See what happens when you are trapped by a Cult?

Done any penance lately @Marymog ?

You will...., and you can thank JEROME for that unscriptural behavior the next time you are lightning a candle for "perpetual virgin" Mary.

Provide your source of your allegation that Jerome mistranslated "Repentance" as "Penance". I can't find that theory anywhere. Maybe @Pearl can help you out with your research since she "liked" your post riddled with anit-Catholic and anti-Mother of God rhetoric.

Yes, I have seen what happens when one is trapped in a cult. They become a person like you. ;)

 

[Behold]

Provide your source of your allegation that Jerome mistranslated "Repentance" as "Penance".

There is no such thing as "penance"., except to a CATHOLIC. or a denomination that is of this Theology.

Why do you think that Protestants dont do any "penance".

So, you can do the study, as its your "cult of the Virgin", its JEROME who is the reason you are doing "penance".

HE's the Translator..

 

[Marymog]

The reason you do "penance" is because Jerome mistranslated "Repentance" as "Penance".

Martin Luther, at that time, read this.....as He was also a "Catholic Translator".. and he realized that Jerome was mistranslating according to Jerome's point of view.... that denied God's Grace.

So let me see if I have your theory correct.

Around 382-384AD Jerome mistranslated "Repentance" as "Penance". Fast forward about 1,200 years and WHAM, BAM, LIKE MAGIC....Martin Luther makes this miraculous discovery that no other Christian theologian had noticed in the last 1,200 years!! JEROME MISTRANLATED REPENTACE!!

According to your theory, Christians had been misled for 1,200 years and Martin Luther was smart enough to figure it out. THANK GOD FOR LUTHER

Since you believe that Luther was such an incredibly smart man when it comes to figuring out Scripture, I suspect you agree with his stance on Mary and her Perpetual Virginity?

Curious Mary

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Absolutely true! But Ignatius used καθολικός in reference to the consensus, universal, Christian church throughout the Mediterranean world. It was not particularly Roman then, nor did he think of it that way. What we call Roman Catholic today certainly traces its roots there, but so do the Greek Orthodox and other denominations sharing in apostolic succession.

Q: When did the term "Roman Catholic Church" come into being?

A: It is not possible to give an exact year when the Catholic Church began to be called the "Roman Catholic Church," it is possible to approximate it. The term originates as an insult created by Anglicans who wished to refer to themselves as Catholic. They thus coined the term "Roman Catholic" to distinguish those "other" Catholics and create a sense in which they could refer to themselves as Catholics (by attempting to deprive actual Catholics to the right to the term).

Different variants of the "Roman" insult appeared at different times.

• The earliest form of the insult was the noun "Romanist" (one belonging to the Catholic Church), which appeared in England about 1515-1525.
• The next to develop was the adjective "Romish" (similar to something done or believed in the Catholic Church), which appeared around 1525-1535.
• Next came the noun "Roman Catholic" (one belonging to the Catholic Church), which was coined approximately 1595-1605.
• Shortly thereafter came the verb "to Romanize" (to make someone a Catholic or to become a Catholic), which appeared around 1600-10.
• Then between 1665 and 1675 we got the noun "Romanism" (the system of Catholic beliefs and practices), and finally we got a late-comer term about 1815-1825-the noun "Roman Catholicism," which is a synonym for the earlier "Romanism."

A similar complex of insults arose around the term "pope."

• About 1515-25 the Anglicans coined the term "papist" and later its derivative "papism."
• A quick follow-up, in 1520-1530, was the adjective "popish."
• Next came "popery" (1525-1535), and then "papistry" (1540-1550), with its later derivatives, "papistical" and "papistic." (Source: Random House Webster's College Dictionary, 1995 ed.)

This complex of insults is revealing as it shows the depths of animosity English Protestants had toward the Church. No other religious body (perhaps no other group at all-even national or racial ones) has such a complex of insults woven into the English language as does the Catholic Church. Even today many Protestants who have no idea what the origin of the term is cannot bring themselves to say "Catholic" without qualifying it or replacing it with a Roman insult.

https://www.cin.org/users/james/reference/info_groups.htm#anti

 

[Behold]

So let me see if I have your theory correct.

Around 382-384AD Jerome mistranslated "Repentance" as "Penance". Fast forward about 1,200 years and WHAM, BAM, LIKE MAGIC....Martin Luther makes this miraculous discovery that no other Christian theologian had noticed in the last 1,200 years!! JEROME MISTRANLATED REPENTACE!!

The reason you do "penance" is because of Jerome's mistranslation.

If you study Jerome's theology, and writings, you'll find that he was obsessed with "James".. and James is not the "Apostle to the Gentiles", and that is why he talks about works and faith, vs "Justification BY Faith"., which is Paul's Theology.

You dont have to like it., but you can at least understand it now, perhaps.


If you study Martin Luther, you'll discover that He read Jeromes mistranslations.

This was a large part, .. regarding How God began to reveal (caused) what became the "Reformation".

You should read "Bondage of the Will"..

 

[Marymog]

The reason you do "penance" is because of Jerome's mistranslation.

You dont have to like it., but you can at least understand it now.


If you study Martin Luther, you'll discover that He read Jeromes mistranslations.

This was a large part, .. regarding How God began to reveal (caused) what became the "Reformation".

Ummmm.....You expect me to believe you just because you say it's true? Provide your source or drop the subject.

You didn't answer my question: Since you believe that Luther was such an incredibly smart man when it comes to figuring out Scripture, I suspect you agree with his stance on Mary and her Perpetual Virginity?

God didn't start the Reformation........THE REFORMATION DIVIDED CHRISTIANITY!! WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF DIVISION??????????

 

[Behold]

I suspect you agree with his stance on Mary and her Perpetual Virginity?

Have you studied the relationship between the "cult of the Virgin" and the Goddess Diana?


The Goddess Diana, is "the queen of heaven" and a "perpetual virgin" according to Paganism.

Also, Luther maintained some concepts = Catholicism....

So, that is like a Born Again Christian, who does not accept the "Trinity" and others do.
= Its not important.

What is Important, is how a Denomination, or a Teacher, or a "church father" teaches God's Salvation.

As that is where the CULTs stand up and are counted as HERETICS.

God didn't start the Reformation..

That is a Catholic teaching., not a New Testament teaching. @Marymog

 

[Marymog]

Have you studied the relationship between the "cult of the Virgin" and the Goddess Diana?


The Goddess Diana, is "the queen of heaven" and a "perpetual virgin" according to Paganism.

Also, Luther maintained some concepts = Catholicism....

So, that is like a Born Again Christian, who does not accept the "Trinity" and others do.
= Its not important.

What is Important, is how a Denomination, or a Teacher, or a "church father" teaches God's Salvation.

As that is where the CULTs stand up and are counted as HERETICS.

Sooooo in other words when YOU say Luther got it right....He got it right. But when YOU say Luther was wrong.....He was wrong! Which means YOU are always right. Right?

 

[Marymog]

That is a Catholic teaching., not a New Testament teaching. @Marymog

Lol......Sooooo the Reformation was predicted (written about) in the NT?

PLEASE elaborate......

 

[Behold]

Sooooo in other words when YOU say Luther got it right....He got it right. But when YOU say Luther was wrong...

That is what you said......that is not what i said.

 

[Behold]

Lol......Sooooo the Reformation was predicted (written about) in the NT?

PLEASE elaborate......

You would agree that to "repent" is to stop?

In other words....>"if you repent from being a sex addict, or a marijuana user", you STOP......

Can you agree?

= "repent" is to STOP whatever it is...

= "repent from sin".. = stop sinning.

So, what JEROME did, was redefine that as "DO Penance"..., and that is why you are doing that....for all your life. @Marymog

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

You would agree that to "repent" is to stop?

In other words....>"if you repent from being a sex addict, or a marijuana user", you STOP......

Can you agree?

You are half right.
Repent is a verb that can be used in a couple of ways:

1. To turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one’s life. It involves feeling remorse or contrition for past actions and making a conscious decision to change one’s behavior. For example, if someone has committed a wrongdoing, they might repent by acknowledging their mistake, feeling sorry for it, and committing to doing better in the future1.
2. To feel regret or contrition for something one has done. This broader sense of repentance can apply to any situation where someone wishes they hadn’t done something or wants to make amends. It’s about recognizing the need for change and expressing remorse2.

In summary, repenting involves acknowledging mistakes, feeling remorse, and striving to improve. Whether it’s related to specific actions or a general desire for change, repentance reflects a willingness to grow and learn from past experiences.

Penance is a supernatural moral virtue whereby the sinner is disposed to hatred of their sin as an offense against God and to a firm purpose of amendment and satisfaction. The principal act in the exercise of this virtue is the detestation of one’s own sin12. In other words, penance involves recognizing one’s wrongdoing, feeling genuine remorse, and committing to change and make amends. It is a fundamental aspect of spiritual growth and reconciliation with God.

= "repent" is to STOP whatever it is...

= "repent from sin".. = stop sinning.

So, what JEROME did, was redefine that as "DO Penance"..., and that is why you are doing that....for all your life. @Marymog

make amends. That means if you steal something, and repent, you have to give it back. That's penance.
Repentance is turning away from sin, as you said. Penance deals with the consequences of sin. It demands action on the part of a repentant sinner.
Sometimes, it's impossible to deal with the consequences of sin (like masturbation, lust), but God loves us so much he accepts our prayers as penance. You can repent all day, but without taking some kind of action (making amends), where's the justice of God?
If I throw a rock through your window, I've committed a sin. I can repent, confess my sin, be absolved, but Jesus doesn't pay for the broken window. that's my responsibility. Absolution is meaningless without penance: paying for the broken window.
Jerome wasn't wrong.

 

[Marymog]

You would agree that to "repent" is to stop?

In other words....>"if you repent from being a sex addict, or a marijuana user", you STOP......

Can you agree?

= "repent" is to STOP whatever it is...

= "repent from sin".. = stop sinning.

So, what JEROME did, was redefine that as "DO Penance"..., and that is why you are doing that....for all your life. @Marymog

Lol......Sooooo the Reformation was predicted (written about) in the NT?

PLEASE elaborate......

 

[Marymog]

That is what you said......that is not what i said.

Nice try kiddo......You said Luther got it right and Jerome didn't.

2nd time asking.......Provide your source of your allegation that Jerome mistranslated "Repentance" as "Penance".