When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

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But as it is, the reason why some believers thinks salvation can be lost is because there are verses that are contrary to one another.

The bible does not have contradictions.
The problem is with people who are not born again, or who are born again, but have been taught contradictions.

Jesus tells these types....>"you shall never perish"....>"I give you eternal life"......and then they tell Jesus....'Yes but over here in James, it says"..

So, there is no dealing with this type of deception, as the root is too deep, the deception is too dark.... their self righteousness is too hardened.

The only value these people have on a forum, is that they allow for correct teaching to be given so that this protects those who are not faith twisted as they are....

See, when a heretic rants their rant, then someone like me corrects them with truth......YET>....the heretic isn't corrected, as they are "subverted within themselves" .. Paul teaches.......so, they are GONE..........GONE.
But the reader who reads the correction get the revelation and this protects them from that heretic and all who are teaching the same heresy.
See that?
That's the only good that comes from these people.., as they are only on a forum to cause harm to a real believer, and they cause the most harm to the new believer.......as i said.
 

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If your mother and father disown you, are you still their son or daughter by Birth?

So, its the same with being born again.

A born again believer can be a terrible son of God, but they are still a son of God, eternally made so, by Spiritual BIRTH.

You can't undo a birth.
You can never stop being born again.

True but you cannot stop a prodigal son from giving up his inheritance for wild living and can never get it back, even though he is still son

That is why there are vessels unto honor, vessels of gold and silver in His House that departs from iniquity with His help daily and vessels of dishonor, vessels of wood & earth that are in His House that did not look to Him for help to depart from iniquity daily for why they were not ready to go.
 

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The bible does not have contradictions.

I was referring to what scripture appears to be contrary but it really is not.

Although they can read John 6:37-40 where He said no one will be cast out and that He will lose none of all the father has given Him, there are verses about Him casting saved believers away for not abiding in Him & in His words as His disciples ( John 15:1-8 ) thus not being ready ( Luke 12:40-49 ) to be left behind for the coming fire on the earth ( 2 Peter 3:3-18 & Revelation 8:7-13 ) and the coming great tribulation as a result ( Revelation 2:18-25 )

What many believers fail to discern that this is not testifying to loss of salvation but loss of that first inheritance. That is why the reference to Esau is given in the N.T. as well as the prodigal son giving up his inheritance for wild living and can never get it back, even though he is still son.

Matthew 25:1-13 is about how the kingdom of heaven are the ten virgins but five were foolish for not being ready and even though they kissed out on the wedding reception with the Bridegroom, they were still in that kingdom of heaven.

So as the church is to excommunicate unrepentant believers refusing to repent from the assembly so the assembly will not even eat with them, so will God do as the Bridegroom for the Marriage Supper above. That is why He is warning believers to be ready or else.

That is the only way to align all the truths in His words where no one can lose their salvation, but there is a casting out, as in excommunication, but still in that kingdom of heaven, even though they miss out on the Marriage Supper above.
 

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Be ready to lose all for the glorious sake of JESUS CHRIST . And always remember that to be absent from this body
simply means present with the glorious Lord . No fear of death , no fear to suffer , JUST have all hope in the LORD .
The hour of our betrayer and our betrayal draws nigh indeed . We will be betrayed at the alter of a false love of a false unity .
They will not welcome the one true gospel at all , nor those who procliam it as the absolute only means by which one can be saved .
Everything is becoming infected by a false love and a false universal image of GOD that in truth is the very image of the dragon himself .
Many folks are coming to the wrong god and a wrong and false gospel of all inclusion delusion . We will be betrayed
and considered haters of all humanity . There is nothing that can stop this . Its all coming to pass and folks
had better endure faithful to the end no matter the cost .

Yes, you are correct. In the last verse of Revelation 12 we see who the Antichrist will strike first - the offspring of the woman/Israel - the wild olive branches, Romans 11, all Christian denominations who profess Christ.
 

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Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

This verse says when we start or begin to see these things, that is when we look up for our redemption. That does seem to mean the Rapture, because if the 'things' just started there is a lot of things yet to happen! Yet our redemption is at the doors here.
Today we do see these things start to happen. The nations that will attack Israel are in line, the worldwide credit system of the mark is beginning to be set up. Earthquakes, pestilences, the waves of people all over the world roaring, fear etc. But even if there are some who deny we are starting to see these things, the fact remains that it is when we begin to see them that OUR redemption draws very near.

You can maybe add these two verses to what you have here - there is a verse that says,

And now the prize awaits me—the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on the day of his return. And the prize is not just for me but for all who eagerly look forward to his appearing.


But then there’s another verse that says,
What sorrow awaits you who say,
“If only the day of the Lord were here!”
You have no idea what you are wishing for.
That day will bring darkness, not light.
19 In that day you will be like a man who runs from a lion—
only to meet a bear.
Escaping from the bear, he leans his hand against a wall in his house—
and he’s bitten by a snake.
20 Yes, the day of the Lord will be dark and hopeless,
without a ray of joy or hope.

So there’s a crown for those who look forward to and hope to see His appearing. If it’s talking about after the tribulation, then how would those two verses fit together?? They can’t.
 

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There is no casting out of saved believers from His kingdom but there is a casting off for not being ready but still in His kingdom.
I do not agree. Either we are saved or not. The folks called servants by the world are really not those whose heart is right (saved) with God.
Take for example the ten virgins that are the kingdom of heaven but five were foolish,
No. They were not the kingdom of heaven. Only 5 were.
having fallen away from the faith to be out to the market getting filled with oil ( the Holy Ghost ) when the wise knew they were filled since salvation for why they were ready to go with the Bridegroom in Matthew 25:1-13.
No they had no faith. No oil. They ran out trying to find some.
Although the five that were foolish were shut out for being in iniquity that denies Him for why He would deny knowing them,
That they were shut out shows they did not know Him.
they are still part of the kingdom of Heaven for He will finish His work in those saints and even former believers left behind.
Not one sheep left behind. The ones left are not His.

This warning to the church at Thyatira says otherwise.
Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
So in an organization there are those that are not right with God, and are not saved. So their outfit/church goes into the tribulation. We are not appointed to wrath. You are conflating saved people who have Jesus living in their hearts with nominal believers who did not really come to Him and get saved.
Those taken are to avoid what is coming on the earth; that calamity of fire that Peter exhorted believers to endure to the end for, in these latter days ( 2 Peter 3:3-18 ) as that fire will decimate one third of the earth ( Revelation 8:7-13 ) that sets up the new world order for the rest of the world and that mark of the beast system.
All of His Bride here are taken. Then they go to the marriage supper of the Lamb. Those on earth are not the bride.
We the Bride will of course appear to be given rewards by Jesus after the Rapture.
Exactly.
Not only the reward of the crown can be lost but one can become a castaway from attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven.
No way. If they were His they are there.
1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Rewards handed out by Jesus vary. Salvation is not a prize, it is a gift.
 

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Not when they go back to sowing to the flesh in reaping corruption, without resisting sin nor turning from them, there is only a castaway.
No one can go back from being Raptured or saved. Either they are His or not. The way to resist sin is to get saved for starters. Then we abide in the vine. It is not some works trip of being sinless that saves us. Or keeps us saved.
Yes they were servants of God when they are getting stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready to go and lesser stripes per the knowledge they did not have for not being ready to go but stripes they are going to get when left behind with unbelievers. Luke 12:40-49
The servants that commit evil and don't really think that the God they supposedly work for will really do as He says are only servants in name. They are not His.
There is no casting off out of the kingdom of heaven but there is a casting off, an excommunication if you will, for being in iniquity and thus disqualified as in reprobates for attending the Marriage Supper in heaven. That is why churches are to excommunicate those not found abiding in Him & His words that refuses to repent to lead them to repentance or else He will when He comes as the Bridegroom.

No. Those cast off are not saved. Even if they are called servants, and appear to men to be servants.
Then why would Jesus say for us to pray that we may escape in these latter days unless the cares of this life can be a snare to us?
Of course we should pray. If we pray to be saved for example we do escape! That is the only way to escape. If someone's works are burned, they themselves are still saved, though it be as through fire. It is God that has to keep us from evil.

ohn 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

And there comes the time when He does take us out of this world.

He even pointed out Lot's wife in Luke 17:26-37 where she loved this lie more than wanting to leave it and so that can happen to a believer.
Right, she died. So either she was not saved and that started to show in the end or she was saved, but sinned unto death, so that she was taken. Paul talks of people being delivered to Satan to die so that their soul might live.
Him saying He knows them not, is because any work of iniquity that the saved believer is in is actually denying Him for why He will deny them.
No it is because He does not actually know them or visa verso. Peter denied Him. Yet God was working in Peter's life and later he was OK. The people in the end who deny Jesus will deny His salvation, as well as simply deny Him so that they can buy and sell etc. They do not know Him. The ones that do after the Rapture there in the end will die rather than sell their soul to Satan.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
The unsaved religious phonies.
Former believers are not the only ones that can deny Him verbally, but even if we believe not in Him any more, He is faithful because still abides even after having denied them for denying Him by words or by heresy.
No. Not believers. They will not deny in the end. Peter denied three times verbally and with cussing. He was no former believer. He died for us and when we come to Him we are never ever ever cast out.
2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
One commentary of that says this

"if we deny him, he also will deny us: there is a denying of Christ in words; so it is denied by the Jews that Christ is come in the flesh, and that Jesus is the Messiah; and some that have bore the Christian name, though very unworthily, have denied his true deity, his real humanity, proper sonship, and the efficacy of his blood, righteousness, and sacrifice, for pardon, justification, and atonement: and there is a denying of him in works; so some that profess to know him, and do own him in his person and offices, yet in works deny him; their conversation is not becoming their profession of him; they have the form of godliness, but deny the power of it: there is a secret and silent denying of him, when men are ashamed of him, and do not confess him; and there is an open denying of him, by such who set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh throughout the earth; there is a partial denying of Christ, which was Peter's case, though his faith in him, and love to him, were not lost; and there is a total denying of him, a thorough apostasy, and from which there is no recovery; and if there be any such apostates among those who have named the name of Christ, he will deny them, he will not own them for his another day; he will set them at his left hand; he will declare he knows them not, and will banish them from his presence for evermore. This is another branch of the faithful saying; this will certainly be the case; Christ himself has said it, Matthew 10:33."

2 Timothy 2 - Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

So the type of denial here is the type from people who are not saved.

That is why even former believers are called to depart from iniquity so they too can be ready for the Bridegroom to be received by Him as tat vessel unto honor in His House, vessels of gold and silver, rather than left behind to be "damned" in becoming vessels unto dishonor in His House for remaining in iniquity, vessels of wood & earth but still in that great house.
The only way to be ready is to be saved.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

This is why Jesus is warning saved believers to be ready or else, miss out in being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection at the rapture.
Who says they are saved? God does know them that are saved and His.
 

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You can maybe add these two verses to what you have here - there is a verse that says,

And now the prize awaits me—the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on the day of his return. And the prize is not just for me but for all who eagerly look forward to his appearing.


But then there’s another verse that says,
What sorrow awaits you who say,
“If only the day of the Lord were here!”
You have no idea what you are wishing for.
That day will bring darkness, not light.
19 In that day you will be like a man who runs from a lion—
only to meet a bear.
Escaping from the bear, he leans his hand against a wall in his house—
and he’s bitten by a snake.
20 Yes, the day of the Lord will be dark and hopeless,
without a ray of joy or hope.

So there’s a crown for those who look forward to and hope to see His appearing. If it’s talking about after the tribulation, then how would those two verses fit together?? They can’t.
That makes sense. We look forward to that hope of all ages. I am sure the new believers in the Tribulation here will be very much looking forward to the return of Christ as well.
 
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No one can go back from being Raptured or saved. Either they are His or not. The way to resist sin is to get saved for starters. Then we abide in the vine.

Tha abiding in the vine is about discipleship in bearing fruit so our joy may be full. Not ever saved beloever will be found abding in Him when he comes. Do note verse 6.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

You cannot be cast forth as a branch and withered to be cast into the fire unless you were of the vine. A disciple that stopped abiding in Him & His words ceases to bear fruit and reaps corruption for why he would be cast forth from the vine.

It is not a works based salvation because those left behind to die in the coming great tribulation are still saved.

It is not some works trip of being sinless that saves us. Or keeps us saved.
The servants that commit evil and don't really think that the God they supposedly work for will really do as He says are only servants in name. They are not His.

It is not a works based salvation because those left behind to die in the coming great tribulation are still saved, but like the rodigal son that gave up his first inheritance for wild living, although he can never get it back, he is still son.

No. Those cast off are not saved. Even if they are called servants, and appear to men to be servants.

Verse 46 signify that the ones cut off were believers when left behind to be with unbelievers. Verses 47-48 has stripes given to His servants for the knowledge he has for not being ready and the lesser stripes for the lack of knowledge for not being ready but they are getting stripes.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Of course we should pray. If we pray to be saved for example we do escape! That is the only way to escape. If someone's works are burned, they themselves are still saved, though it be as through fire. It is God that has to keep us from evil.

That is not what Jesus was warning about here; He is warning believers that they can be ensnared by the cares of this life that they would not want to leave and so that is why we are to pray for His help that does not happen so we can be willing to escape, let alone not be found in iniquity either.

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
 

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I do not agree. Either we are saved or not. The folks called servants by the world are really not those whose heart is right (saved) with God.
No. They were not the kingdom of heaven. Only 5 were.
No they had no faith. No oil. They ran out trying to find some.
That they were shut out shows they did not know Him.
Not one sheep left behind. The ones left are not His.

This warning to the church at Thyatira says otherwise.

So in an organization there are those that are not right with God, and are not saved. So their outfit/church goes into the tribulation. We are not appointed to wrath. You are conflating saved people who have Jesus living in their hearts with nominal believers who did not really come to Him and get saved.
All of His Bride here are taken. Then they go to the marriage supper of the Lamb. Those on earth are not the bride.
Exactly.
No way. If they were His they are there.
Rewards handed out by Jesus vary. Salvation is not a prize, it is a gift.

Explain how if we believe not in Him any more, He is faithful for He still abides.

Granted, if we verbally deny him, He will dent us, but verse 13 testify that former believers are still saved.

2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Then you have to answer why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not depart from iniquity, being vessels of wood and earth?

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

See how those who depart from iniquity are vessels unto honor? So that means the vessels unto dishonor are the ones that did not depart from iniquity. How can the vessels unto dishonor, the vessels of wood & earth be in that great house in verse 20?
 

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Tha abiding in the vine is about discipleship in bearing fruit so our joy may be full. Not ever saved beloever will be found abding in Him when he comes. Do note verse 6.
God is the judge of fruit. He never mentioned 'discipleship'. He wants us to live in His Spirit and in Him. When we get saved He lives in us and abides with us! So does His Father. They make their home in us. Some bear more fruit than others.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

If a man is not saved, then God does not abide in him. If we are saved He does abide in us. Those who do not get saved and therefore do not have Him inside of them do wither.
You cannot be cast forth as a branch and withered to be cast into the fire unless you were of the vine.

Well those in name only claim to be on the vine. They are cast away. Those who are saved are not.
A disciple that stopped abiding in Him & His words ceases to bear fruit and reaps corruption for why he would be cast forth from the vine.
He will never leave nor forsake us. The ones that do not live in the vine are not the saved.
It is not a works based salvation because those left behind to die in the coming great tribulation are still saved.
So you think the Bride is left behind to die. Why? Because they did not have great works. You think that is grace?

It is not a works based salvation because those left behind to die in the coming great tribulation are still saved, but like the rodigal son that gave up his first inheritance for wild living, although he can never get it back, he is still son.
If the Bride is taken then up she goes. Those who are not the Bride are who is left. The prodigal son was not a story about the Rapture.
Verse 46 signify that the ones cut off were believers when left behind to be with unbelievers.

No. Those who are servants are not saved. They just appear to work for Him to others. They are not saved, they are just bad servants, not sons!
Verses 47-48 has stripes given to His servants for the knowledge he has for not being ready and the lesser stripes for the lack of knowledge for not being ready but they are getting stripes.
Those are not sons but unfaithful servants. We are not beaten because He took our beating for us. We are rewarded and some do not get much of a reward.
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

Sons are also servants. Those sons who are faithful have a great reward.
 

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Explain how if we believe not in Him any more, He is faithful for He still abides.

Granted, if we verbally deny him, He will dent us, but verse 13 testify that former believers are still saved.
He is just that kind of Guy. Faithful is one of His names. He cannot deny Himself, even if some are less than perfect.

Then you have to answer why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not depart from iniquity, being vessels of wood and earth?
If any 'in His house' are not saved, they would not have departed from iniquity.


See how those who depart from iniquity are vessels unto honor? So that means the vessels unto dishonor are the ones that did not depart from iniquity. How can the vessels unto dishonor, the vessels of wood & earth be in that great house in verse 20?
If we separate from the people who are not really saved, then he is sanctified and ready for use in His house.
 

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The main sin is rejecting Jesus (and therefore the Holy Spirit) That is the sin that damns.

Have you ever read about those who call Jesus "Lord, Lord!" Who only believe IN Jesus, but do not have the faith OF Jesus and therefore are not abiding in Him, and He in them. There are Christians still sinning today who have accepted Jesus as their get out of jail free Savior, but not as the Christ. Matthew 7:21-23
 

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Have you ever read about those who call Jesus "Lord, Lord!" Who only believe IN Jesus, but do not have the faith OF Jesus and therefore are not abiding in Him, and He in them. There are Christians still sinning today who have accepted Jesus as their get out of jail free Savior, but not as the Christ. Matthew 7:21-23
Yes. Not saved. Everyone needs forgiveness every day. Those that pretend they don't have righteousness like filthy rags.
 

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Yes. Not saved. Everyone needs forgiveness every day. Those that pretend they don't have righteousness like filthy rags.

That is not a true Christian, dad. If you are free from sin by the removal of the sin nature so are not sinning, and you've forgiven everyone immediately who slanders us on the forums, or personally at home, what could we be doing that "needs forgiveness every day"?
 

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That is not a true Christian, dad. If you are free from sin by the removal of the sin nature so are not sinning, and you've forgiven everyone immediately who slanders us on the forums, or personally at home, what could we be doing that "needs forgiveness every day"?
Then why did Jesus say we need to forgive brothers for their sins against us?
 

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God is the judge of fruit. He never mentioned 'discipleship'. He wants us to live in His Spirit and in Him. When we get saved He lives in us and abides with us! So does His Father. They make their home in us. Some bear more fruit than others.

Read it in context, brother.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.