When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[Christ4Me]

If we separate from the people who are not really saved, then he is sanctified and ready for use in His house.

Here is an example in scripture for how those professing believers that went astray are still His.

Paul addressed the falling away from the faith in the latter days as that was to happen first before He appears for the gathering ( the rapture ) in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-3 as that was to happen first before the great tribulation and that son of perdition event.

Paul said that this iniquity was happening even in his day per 2 Thessalonians 2:7 before mentioning that son of perdition in verse 8 before jumping back to describing what that iniquity was; saved believers believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation after a sign. Thus what was taken out of the way, the restraining part of the Holy Spirit in verse 7 and be discern with Him and applied as for why & how God would permit the strong delusion to occur for when saved believers believe that lie.

We can know that is the iniquity spoken of when in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 Paul reminds them of the tradition taught of us of when we had received the sanctification of the Spirit and the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel which exposes the lie of thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation.

So Paul goes on to address those disorderly believers that departed from faith and that no longer walk after the traditions taught of us in how with the Lord's help as in touching us, we are commanded by the Lord to withdraw from them per 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 and yet we are to do so, not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still because they are still His and thus still saved; 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15

One may see with His help how the parable of the ten virgins apply to them for being out to the market seeking to be filled with oil ( Holy Spirit ) was why they were not ready but yet the foolish were still part of that kingdom of heaven, even though they were denied the wedding receptions for not being ready because they were in that iniquity that denied Him as always being Spirit filled since salvation. Matthew 9:17 & John 6:35

Anyway, as you may see, we cannot judge anyone as not a true saint when they have been bought & sealed as His.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

There is a danger of denying Him by how we judge others when the Lord had bought them as that can also be done by heresy too.

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

We can mark false teachers to warn others by, but not judged them as unsaved or not a true believer. With His help, we are to shun them.

 

[Timtofly]

The test is accepting or rejecting Jesus. There will be multitudes that come to Jesus after we are gone.

The test for accepting or rejecting Jesus is now. If they are not passing that test now, why would they pass it later? Coming to Jesus after the Second Coming will not be the same as now. No one will be able to put it off, like they are free to do now. Jesus is on earth directly choosing people. Just because Jesus is picking them does not mean they are picking Jesus. Remember all those parables about how the seed is sown? Just because Jesus is sowing the seed, does not make it any different than the seed sown now by the church and the Holy Spirit.

It seems to me that those who are religious and lost now, will continue to be religious and lost then. It will be those who are not religious that Jesus will choose, not those who have rejected Him now. Remember who followed Jesus and rejected Him at the first coming? Why would it be different at the Second Coming?

Many will be chosen by Jesus Christ the Prince. But even more will be called to follow. Not sure why some posters seem to dictate whom God will choose and whom God should not choose.

 

[Christ4Me]

The test for accepting or rejecting Jesus is now. If they are not passing that test now, why would they pass it later? Coming to Jesus after the Second Coming will not be the same as now. No one will be able to put it off, like they are free to do now. Jesus is on earth directly choosing people. Just because Jesus is picking them does not mean they are picking Jesus. Remember all those parables about how the seed is sown? Just because Jesus is sowing the seed, does not make it any different than the seed sown now by the church and the Holy Spirit.

It seems to me that those who are religious and lost now, will continue to be religious and lost then. It will be those who are not religious that Jesus will choose, not those who have rejected Him now. Remember who followed Jesus and rejected Him at the first coming? Why would it be different at the Second Coming?

Many will be chosen by Jesus Christ the Prince. But even more will be called to follow. Not sure why some posters seem to dictate whom God will choose and whom God should not choose.

After the rapture event, not just left behind saints & former believers for not being found abiding in Him nor willing to go, but when the first angel preach the gospel to all the world, there will be new believers as a result before the end comes as announced by the 2nd angel. Revelation 14:6-13

Not only that, but the dispensation of the gospel will be given back to the Jews after the rapture; hence the 144,000 new believers as 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel will be chosen to be witnesses for the duration of the great tribulation ( along with the 2 witnesses in Jerusalem for the first half which I believe is Enoch & Elijah )

 

[dad]

Read it in context, brother.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

That is true. The folks who bear much fruit are glorifying God more than folks who will not let their light shine as much and therefore not receive as great a reward.

 

[dad]

Here is an example in scripture for how those professing believers that went astray are still His.

Paul addressed the falling away from the faith in the latter days as that was to happen first before He appears for the gathering ( the rapture ) in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-3 as that was to happen first before the great tribulation and that son of perdition event.

Paul said that this iniquity was happening even in his day per 2 Thessalonians 2:7 before mentioning that son of perdition in verse 8 before jumping back to describing what that iniquity was; saved believers believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation after a sign. Thus what was taken out of the way, the restraining part of the Holy Spirit in verse 7 and be discern with Him and applied as for why & how God would permit the strong delusion to occur for when saved believers believe that lie.

We can know that is the iniquity spoken of when in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 Paul reminds them of the tradition taught of us of when we had received the sanctification of the Spirit and the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel which exposes the lie of thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation.

So Paul goes on to address those disorderly believers that departed from faith and that no longer walk after the traditions taught of us in how with the Lord's help as in touching us, we are commanded by the Lord to withdraw from them per 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 and yet we are to do so, not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still because they are still His and thus still saved; 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15

One may see with His help how the parable of the ten virgins apply to them for being out to the market seeking to be filled with oil ( Holy Spirit ) was why they were not ready but yet the foolish were still part of that kingdom of heaven, even though they were denied the wedding receptions for not being ready because they were in that iniquity that denied Him as always being Spirit filled since salvation. Matthew 9:17 & John 6:35

Anyway, as you may see, we cannot judge anyone as not a true saint when they have been bought & sealed as His.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

There is a danger of denying Him by how we judge others when the Lord had bought them as that can also be done by heresy too.

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

We can mark false teachers to warn others by, but not judged them as unsaved or not a true believer. With His help, we are to shun them.

To have any oil of the Spirit we need to be saved. The women who did not have oil then were not saved.

 

[dad]

The test for accepting or rejecting Jesus is now.

Great. I know.

If they are not passing that test now, why would they pass it later?

I give up, why?

Coming to Jesus after the Second Coming will not be the same as now. No one will be able to put it off, like they are free to do now. Jesus is on earth directly choosing people.

Say what? Is He lodging at the Bet Western? People choose Him, He gave us the choice. He does not force you to go to heaven.

Just because Jesus is picking them does not mean they are picking Jesus.

Yes it does. Those who choose Him are the chosen. He does not choose to people that are not saved, unless He knows they will choose Him. He died to give us that choice.
Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

Remember all those parables about how the seed is sown? Just because Jesus is sowing the seed, does not make it any different than the seed sown now by the church and the Holy Spirit.

People either receive the seed or not.
Matthew 13:20
But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

People that reject His salvation do not receive it. The problem was not that some seeds were bad, but that some chose to not receive Him.

It seems to me that those who are religious and lost now, will continue to be religious and lost then. It will be those who are not religious that Jesus will choose, not those who have rejected Him now. Remember who followed Jesus and rejected Him at the first coming? Why would it be different at the Second Coming?

No offence but why would I be concerned about people that are not genuine and have been pulling a scam? If they feared God they would get real.

Many will be chosen by Jesus Christ the Prince. But even more will be called to follow. Not sure why some posters seem to dictate whom God will choose and whom God should not choose.

Already covered that in this post.

 

[Christ4Me]

That is true. The folks who bear much fruit are glorifying God more than folks who will not let their light shine as much and therefore not receive as great a reward.

Not quite what is being conveyed there, brother. I took away boldening the last verse to bold another verse, hoping HE will show this to you.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Not a loss of salvation, but denied to attend the marriage Supper above.

 

[Christ4Me]

To have any oil of the Spirit we need to be saved. The women who did not have oil then were not saved.

All ten virgins were of the kingdom of Heaven and engaged to the Bridegroom also. This being out to the market seeking to be filled is referring to saved believers falling away from the faith in believing the lie that they can receive the holy Spirit again apart from salvation while those who are not going out to the market, knew they were always Spirit-filled since salvation for why they were ready to go.

 

[Timtofly]

After the rapture event, not just left behind saints & former believers for not being found abiding in Him nor willing to go, but when the first angel preach the gospel to all the world, there will be new believers as a result before the end comes as announced by the 2nd angel. Revelation 14:6-13

Not only that, but the dispensation of the gospel will be given back to the Jews after the rapture; hence the 144,000 new believers as 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel will be chosen to be witnesses for the duration of the great tribulation ( along with the 2 witnesses in Jerusalem for the first half which I believe is Enoch & Elijah )

At the rapture is the Second Coming. Christ and the angels will be on earth just like the first coming when Christ was on earth. Of course Jesus Christ the Prince is going to work directly and with Israel. The church was raptured, completed and glorified.

There is no church like we know it with professions of faith after the Second Coming rapture event. Christ is going to separate the sheep from the goats. Neither are going to be physically on earth at that point. This is not a living separation where the sheep live in one city and the goats live in another. No, the angels are harvesting those souls. The sheep to Mt. Zion to wait for the start of the Millennium. The goats to Death/eternal damnation. They will all be removed from this corruptible fleshly body of Adam's genetic offspring. This is a literal harvest of souls done by the angels. The angels are not holding an alter call at the end of a sermon to allows sinners to accept Christ. This is the end of the road for human flesh, and the sheep are selected by Christ, and the goats rejected. It is not a personal choice. It is God choosing who spends eternity where.

That is why today is the day of Salvation. At the Second Coming that ability to choose will be gone. Unless one endures through the GT, to be beheaded. But if God finds no one left to redeem, Satan will not even get his 42 months and no one will have an opportunity to reject the mark and take a beheading instead.

Putting off receiving Christ never has a guarantee. One could always physically die, first. That has always been the case. The Second Coming is also the end. There is no guarantee whatsoever that one will be saved, simply by enduring. Enduring to the end is more to do with living a faithful Christian life. It is not to put off Salvation and hope one will have a last second chance at redemption. That is rejecting until the end. There is a huge difference between the two.

 

[dad]

Not quite what is being conveyed there, brother. I took away boldening the last verse to bold another verse, hoping HE will show this to you.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Not a loss of salvation, but denied to attend the marriage Supper above.

It says nothing about any supper there. Why would you insert that?

 

[dad]

All ten virgins were of the kingdom of Heaven and engaged to the Bridegroom also.

They had no oil of the Spirit, so any engagment was in name only. They were not saved.

This being out to the market seeking to be filled is referring to saved believers falling away from the faith in believing the lie that they can receive the holy Spirit again apart from salvation while those who are not going out to the market, knew they were always Spirit-filled since salvation for why they were ready to go.

We already have oil if we are saved.

 

[Christ4Me]

At the rapture is the Second Coming. Christ and the angels will be on earth just like the first coming when Christ was on earth. Of course Jesus Christ the Prince is going to work directly and with Israel. The church was raptured, completed and glorified.

There is no church like we know it with professions of faith after the Second Coming rapture event. Christ is going to separate the sheep from the goats. Neither are going to be physically on earth at that point. This is not a living separation where the sheep live in one city and the goats live in another. No, the angels are harvesting those souls. The sheep to Mt. Zion to wait for the start of the Millennium. The goats to Death/eternal damnation. They will all be removed from this corruptible fleshly body of Adam's genetic offspring. This is a literal harvest of souls done by the angels. The angels are not holding an alter call at the end of a sermon to allows sinners to accept Christ. This is the end of the road for human flesh, and the sheep are selected by Christ, and the goats rejected. It is not a personal choice. It is God choosing who spends eternity where.

That is why today is the day of Salvation. At the Second Coming that ability to choose will be gone. Unless one endures through the GT, to be beheaded. But if God finds no one left to redeem, Satan will not even get his 42 months and no one will have an opportunity to reject the mark and take a beheading instead.

Putting off receiving Christ never has a guarantee. One could always physically die, first. That has always been the case. The Second Coming is also the end. There is no guarantee whatsoever that one will be saved, simply by enduring. Enduring to the end is more to do with living a faithful Christian life. It is not to put off Salvation and hope one will have a last second chance at redemption. That is rejecting until the end. There is a huge difference between the two.

I disagree.

There are 3 harvests that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven before Christ gives it back to the Father.

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

You have Christ's the firstfruits at the rapture event of O.T. saints & abiding N.T. saints before the great tribulation.

Those carnal saints & former believers not found abiding in Him will be excommunicated from the Marriage Supper in Heaven to be left behind on earth. Then the first angel will preach the gospel everywhere by how there will be new believers too and then the end will come as a fire will destroy a third of the earth ( the entire western hemisphere ) Revelation 8:7-13 which will serve as the catalyst for the New World Order & the mark of the beast system to buy & sell in the rest of the 2/3rd parts of the world to survive. That is how the beast is waging war on the saints to kill with the sword and hunger during the great tribulation while the 144,000 Witnesses that were Jews will dispense the gospel.

Anyway, those found abiding in Him & willing to go are of the firstfruits of the resurrection; Luke 13:24-30

Those that are Christ's at His coming are the second harvest that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven as they will be resurrected after the great tribulation in serving the King of kings on earth in raising up the following generations during that 1000 year reign Revelation 20:1-6.

Then after Satan is released from the pit after a thousand years will stage a last rebellion for a small season and those remaining loyal to Christ & help those who believe in Him thus loving others as they would want to be treated, will be of that third harvest that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven when death and hell is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:7-15 & Matthew 25:31-46

Thanks to Jesus Christ, that is how I see the bigger picture in how the kingdom of heaven is being made and finished by Jesus Christ.

 

[Christ4Me]

It says nothing about any supper there. Why would you insert that?

One has to follow everything that ties in the cut off as verse 6 starts in John 15:1-8 and this is towards saved believers in being cut off for not being ready as found abiding in Him and His words, as left behind on earth with the unbelievers when that fire comes on the earth per Luke 12:40-49, and to Jesus judging His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17 ) by excommunicating them because of being workers of iniquity from the sit down with the O.T. saints ( Luke 13:24-30 ) ( implying Marriage Supper there ) to finally how the five out of the ten virgins are the kingdom of heaven but too late for the reception with the Bridegroom which is the Marriage Supper.

And then there is that willing to leave this life behind to attend the King's Supper in heaven Luke 14:15-24 as that is the cost of discipleship in Luke 14:25-35 & not to be like Lot's wife in having any second thoughts about the life we are leaving behind Luke 17:26-37 because believers can be overcharged in the cares of this life by commitments and promises that it binds them to stay behind Luke 21:33-36 for why we need Him to forgive us and set us free and help us to be willing as well as abiding in Him to be free to leave our lives and loved ones behind into His hands.

 

[Christ4Me]

They had no oil of the Spirit, so any engagment was in name only. They were not saved.
We already have oil if we are saved.

Since both are the kingdom of heaven, then lighting the lamp is about our witness as those wise knew we have always been spirit-filled since salvation per Matthew 9:17 & John 6:35 for why they were ready to go whereas the foolish virgins' witness being out to the market getting filled with the oil was why they were not ready to go as they had fallen away from the faith believing the lie that they can receive the "holy spirit" again apart from salvation.

So that apostate calling of another baptism with the "holy Ghost" with evidence of tongues does not stop there as they can continue receiving of the Holy Spirit again and again and again in the holy laughter movement and slain in the spirit phenomenon or the more specified places like Toronto's Blessings and the Pensacola Outpouring or even Ernest Angeleys healing Crusade when he announces when the "holy spirit" falls on an already saved believer, causing them to fall backwards. I know miracles are being claimed by these movements but it is an iniquity as Jesus says in spite of all of that miracles, Matthew 7:21-23 them not heeding His words ( Matthew 7:13-14 & John 14:6 & John 10:1 that Jesus is the only way to come to God in worship, prayer, and fellowship & not by way of the Holy Spirit ) is why they are losing self control and falling like that; Matthew 7:24-27.

 

[Timtofly]

Yes it does. Those who choose Him are the chosen. He does not choose to people that are not saved, unless He knows they will choose Him. He died to give us that choice.
Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

Certainly Christ chose the sheep. Christ called them righteous. Did He make them righteous, or did they make themselves righteous? If they had chosen, they would have been part of the church and in Paradise.

This is all symbolic. Not literal sheep, not literal works. Not literal rejection or choosing. The only literal part is that Jesus claimed some are given eternal life, and the rest eternal damnation.

Do you know why Adam's flesh and blood can no longer continue? Exodus 20:8-11

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

God stated that 6 days was all Adam's flesh and blood would have to endure. Yet we see that work even up to the end was important to God. But work itself cannot make us righteous. It is still what we do for God, that God says He sees.

So now it is not by works of righteousness that we do. It is choosing His Atonement, the only righteousness God sees. That is now. That is what stops at the rapture and Second Coming.

So the sheep are chosen by God to remain in the Lamb's book of life. The goats are not chosen, and removed from the Lamb's book of life. Not because one started out as a sheep or a goat. Not one verse in that account states they are asked, "What choice do you make".

So the removal of the church. The removal of the Holy Spirit. The removal of souls from Adam's flesh and blood. That is the final harvest. That is when Christ and the angels are on the earth. That is the removal of choice. That is the time of unprecedented trouble, known as the GT. The sounding of the Trumpets and Thunders.

That is the reason why the Second Coming happens before the GT. God is not working by faith and then allowing His own choice at the same time. This is not a repeat of Cain and Abel, where God allows the goats to kill the sheep, because God accepted the sheep and rejected the goats. This time the goats are being harvested and their souls removed equally. Not like Cain who was allowed to remain on the earth. How much more final can this be described?

 

[dad]

I disagree.

There are 3 harvests that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven before Christ gives it back to the Father.

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

That has what to do with a harvest?

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

You have Christ's the firstfruits at the rapture event of O.T. saints & abiding N.T. saints before the great tribulation.

Where did it mention old testament believers?
1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
1 Corinthians 15:24
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
When does Christ come and destroy all wicked dominions? Is that not what He does when He returns to rule the world? So if that is after the time when He comes to gather us in the air forever to be with Him, is that not doing exactly what the verse says?

Those carnal saints & former believers not found abiding in Him will be excommunicated from the Marriage Supper in Heaven to be left behind on earth.

According to you they never went to begin with but were still on earth. That is not being 'excommunicated'. That is not being saved and resurrected to life.

Then the first angel will preach the gospel everywhere by how there will be new believers too and then the end will come as a fire will destroy a third of the earth ( the entire western hemisphere ) Revelation 8:7-13 which will serve as the catalyst for the New World Order & the mark of the beast system to buy & sell in the rest of the 2/3rd parts of the world to survive.

That seems like some speculation.

That is how the beast is waging war on the saints to kill with the sword and hunger during the great tribulation while the 144,000 Witnesses that were Jews will dispense the gospel.

Yes there is big trouble back on earth after the Rapture. Not sure why you mention that.

Anyway, those found abiding in Him & willing to go are of the firstfruits of the resurrection; Luke 13:24-30

That is not talking to saved people. That is talking to those who do not know Him.

Those that are Christ's at His coming are the second harvest that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven as they will be resurrected after the great tribulation in serving the King of kings on earth in raising up the following generations during that 1000 year reign Revelation 20:1-6.

Sorry you are muddled ip there. The Bride is not the whole kingdom of heaven. Now whether people are also resurrected after He returns does not take away from the fact He already took His Bride in the Rapture.

Then after Satan is released from the pit after a thousand years will stage a last rebellion for a small season and those remaining loyal to Christ & help those who believe in Him thus loving others as they would want to be treated, will be of that third harvest that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven when death and hell is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:7-15 & Matthew 25:31-46

Well, there are believers in that time who will be raised also, that is correct. I would not limit it to three batches though. There is the Rapture, the return of Jesus to rule, and also the believers raised after the 1000 years. You seem to be conflating the judging of nations with the final judgment after the 1000 years. He judges the nations as He starts to rule here when He returns.
So don't omit the Rapture from your little 'big picture'.

 

[dad]

Since both are the kingdom of heaven

What verse makes you think that the people who were not invited in were also 'the kingdom of heaven'?

, then lighting the lamp is about our witness as those wise knew we have always been spirit-filled since salvation per Matthew 9:17 & John 6:35 for why they were ready to go whereas the foolish virgins' witness being out to the market getting filled with the oil was why they were not ready to go as they had fallen away from the faith believing the lie that they can receive the "holy spirit" again apart from salvation.

You made that up. They had no salvation. It does not say they were saved. They were not saved/ready and so had no oil of course.

So that apostate calling of another baptism with the "holy Ghost" with evidence of tongues does not stop there as they can continue receiving of the Holy Spirit again and again and again in the holy laughter movement and slain in the spirit phenomenon or the more specified places like Toronto's Blessings and the Pensacola Outpouring or even Ernest Angeleys healing Crusade when he announces when the "holy spirit" falls on an already saved believer, causing them to fall backwards

Strange Strawman argument.

. I know miracles are being claimed by these movements but it is an iniquity as Jesus says in spite of all of that miracles, Matthew 7:21-23 them not heeding His words ( Matthew 7:13-14 & John 14:6 & John 10:1 that Jesus is the only way to come to God in worship, prayer, and fellowship & not by way of the Holy Spirit ) is why they are losing self control and falling like that; Matthew 7:24-27.

I don't know about that sort of people. But I don't think that Jesus meant that all miracles are bad, just because some phonies supposedly claimed to have done some miracles.

 

[dad]

Certainly Christ chose the sheep. Christ called them righteous. Did He make them righteous, or did they make themselves righteous? If they had chosen, they would have been part of the church and in Paradise.

Once they come to Him as He asks, then He works on them. He comes in and lives in them. They choose. He chooses those who choose Him.

 

[Christ4Me]

That has what to do with a harvest?

There are 3 groups of harvests that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven before Jesus gives it back to the Father.

Where did it mention old testament believers?

In Luke 13:24-30

1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
1 Corinthians 15:24
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

When does Christ come and destroy all wicked dominions? Is that not what He does when He returns to rule the world? So if that is after the time when He comes to gather us in the air forever to be with Him, is that not doing exactly what the verse says?

Satan will stage a last rebellion after 1000 year reign of Christ for a small season but will be defeated & cast into the lake of fire. The other dominion will be sin and death as they too will be cast into the lake of fire.

According to you they never went to begin with but were still on earth. That is not being 'excommunicated'. That is not being saved and resurrected to life.

Excommunicated can also mean not being taken as in left behind. There is another reason why saved believers can be left behind for.

Those invited did not come because they prefer their lives on earth than to come to the King's Supper Luke 14:15-24 They were invited because they were saved but life turned them to treasure their lives on earth rather than to give it up.

That seems like some speculation.

Sorry. Forgot to provide the reference for that comment below which is Revelation 14:6-13 .

"Then the first angel will preach the gospel everywhere by how there will be new believers too and then the end will come as a fire will destroy a third of the earth ( the entire western hemisphere ) Revelation 8:7-13 which will serve as the catalyst for the New World Order & the mark of the beast system to buy & sell in the rest of the 2/3rd parts of the world to survive."

Note the fall of Babylon by that 2nd angel in Revelation 14:8 and then read Revelation 18:1-24 where at the end of that chapter we find saints dead in that fallen Babylon as the voice of the bride and bridegroom was not heard in her any more because the rapture has come and gone

Yes there is big trouble back on earth after the Rapture. Not sure why you mention that.

Revelation 7:1-8 testify to those 144,000 witnesses.

That is not talking to saved people. That is talking to those who do not know Him.

It also talks about who of the N.T. saints that are being taken along with O.T. saints while leaving those behind for being workers of iniquity.

Sorry you are muddled ip there. The Bride is not the whole kingdom of heaven. Now whether people are also resurrected after He returns does not take away from the fact He already took His Bride in the Rapture.

Correct, The Bride hence the firstfruits of the resurrection at the rapture event is not the whole of the kingdom of heaven but the first harvest with O.T. saints.

Well, there are believers in that time who will be raised also, that is correct. I would not limit it to three batches though. There is the Rapture, the return of Jesus to rule, and also the believers raised after the 1000 years. You seem to be conflating the judging of nations with the final judgment after the 1000 years. He judges the nations as He starts to rule here when He returns.
So don't omit the Rapture from your little 'big picture'.

The rapture is not omitted but not every saved believer will be found abiding in Him nor willing to go for why He is warning believers to be ready or else. Looking to Jesus Christ, the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily is the hope we have in Him to have us ready and willing to go when the Bridegroom comes.

 

[ewq1938]

There are 3 groups of harvests that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven before Jesus gives it back to the Father.

I don't see three in scripture. Please cite the actual verses so we can see if there are three or not. Thanks.