When was Satan cast out of heaven, down to the earth?

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Spiritual Israelite

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um wrong

He is at the throne accusing the brethren till this day.
So, you think Paul is wrong that no one can make any charge/accusation against God's chosen?

Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

No one can make any accusations against the brethren any more because our sins are forgiven and covered by the blood of Christ. What can he accuse us of? Nothing.
 

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Well, you definitely believe a lot of random things that pop into your head, such as believing that the stars in the sky are angels. LOL!!! Keep the laughs coming. You are good for comic relief on this forum.
And you are deceived by Satan to think they are not angels.

John in Revelation has no problems calling the stars angels and the angels stars.

I only go by what is written in God's Word.
 

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The Day of the Lord was obscure in the OT. They did not Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. You deny the Day of the Lord like those in the OT did, and all those who reject the clear NT teachings on the Day of the Lord.
The clear NT teachings on the day of the Lord are that it will come unexpectedly and bring "sudden destruction" from which Christ's enemies "shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). They "shall not escape" because the "sudden destruction" will be by way of fire coming down on the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12). So, tell me again how I'm rejecting the clear NT teachings on the Day of the Lord? Are the verses 1 Thesslonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 in your Bible?
 
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Where is "minions found in Scripture? Could you at least address Scripture?

If the length of your reign with Christ is figurative, then so is your reign. It is not literal, but in thought only.

You are not reigning with Christ on the earth. But after physical death, you are seated in heavenly places in your figurative state, as you deny there is a literal application to Scripture.

John is describing a literal event with symbolism. You then say there is no literal event, but the symbolism is figurative of other figurative ideas. Ideas that you then insert into Scripture of your own imagination.
This is why many of us ignore your posts. You cannot address the details that refute your arguments and you transpire to deliberately twist what others say. It is a waste of time engaging with you.
 
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The Day of the Lord was obscure in the OT. They did not Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. You deny the Day of the Lord like those in the OT did, and all those who reject the clear NT teachings on the Day of the Lord.
You talk such nonsense.
 

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This is why many of us ignore your posts. You cannot address the details that refute your arguments and you transpire to deliberately twist what others say. It is a waste of time engaging with you.
Absolutely. I only reply to his posts when I think my response can benefit those who actually have an open mind and don't twist scripture and misrepresent other's views the way he does repeatedly. Such as the one where I just responded to him showing what scripture teaches about the day of the Lord which completely contradicts not only his understanding of it, but the understanding of many others as well.
 

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And you are deceived by Satan to think they are not angels.
LOL. Maybe you're somehow not aware, but we have powerful telescopes these days which confirm that the stars are just like the sun. Do you think the sun is an angel?

John in Revelation has no problems calling the stars angels and the angels stars.
It's symbolism.

I only go by what is written in God's Word.
No, you only go by the nonsense that you conjure up in your imagination.
 

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So, you think Paul is wrong that no one can make any charge/accusation against God's chosen?

Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

No one can make any accusations against the brethren any more because our sins are forgiven and covered by the blood of Christ. What can he accuse us of? Nothing.
You are missing the point that Jesus is interceding for us, since the Cross. Why is there intercecession, if Satan is not accusing the brethren day and night?

Do you want us to accept your point that Jesus was in heaven interceding against Satan for the 4,000 years prior to the Cross, and then has not interceded since the Cross?

No one can judge us but God. God justifies through Jesus. Satan can still bring accusations, they just don't stick, because Jesus is our advocate.

Who condemns? No one.

Obviously you are free to make fun of other posters and bring false accusations, even though you claim no one can. You refute your own point by your actions. The question was: "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen?" Obviously you do it all the time.

Who condemns? No one. God still reserves the right to judge and discipline even the elect.
 

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The clear NT teachings on the day of the Lord are that it will come unexpectedly and bring "sudden destruction" from which Christ's enemies "shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). They "shall not escape" because the "sudden destruction" will be by way of fire coming down on the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12). So, tell me again how I'm rejecting the clear NT teachings on the Day of the Lord? Are the verses 1 Thesslonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 in your Bible?
The Day of the Lord is the thousand year reign of Christ clearly described in these verses:

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

That Day cannot start until Jesus comes and cleans house:

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

"That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first."

We are not in the Day of Christ nor the Day of the Lord. It has not come yet. The Day of Christ is not at hand.
 

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This is why many of us ignore your posts. You cannot address the details that refute your arguments and you transpire to deliberately twist what others say. It is a waste of time engaging with you.
There were no details in the post. I was addressing the first post about the reign being figurative and not literal. You changed the subject.

When you can address the literal application, then you can stop wasting time avoiding the actual topic.
 

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There is a lot of confusion concerning when Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth, but the words of Jesus tells usexactly when this happened. Also at this same time is when the spirit of antichrist was prophesied to come, as the spirit of antichrist is of the same spirit as that of the Devil, as the Devil/Satan is the father of this lying spirit called antichrist.

Jesus said in John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much you: for the prince of this world comes, and has nothing in me.”
As the lie has no place in the Truth.
Notice Jesus said “Hereafter” meaning this event was soon to take place right after Jesus said those words.

To prove this point, right before Jesus was to be crucified Jesus said in John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” And "now" means at that present time.

Satan/ the Devil/ the old serpent/ the Red Dragon are all speaking of the same angel and the same spirit, which is also called the Prince of this world, or even “the god of this world” in scripture.(2 Cor.4:4)
So to confirm the timing of what Jesus just said we need to go to Revelation chapter 12 where we see the red Dragon standing before the woman, ready to devour her child as soon as it was born. So when did this happen?

This event happened when Herod had heard of the coming of the King of the Jews, and Herod inquired where this man child was to be born, and Herod sought to destroy the child as shown in Matthew 2:13-16. In this you see how Satan, “the Prince of this world”, moves men by his spirit to do his will. In this case it was Herod that was moved by the spirit of the Red Dragon to try to devour the man child as soon as he was born, as is shown in Revelation chapter 12.

This is important to understand, because it is the spirit of the prince of this world that moves people to do his will. This is shown in the prophecy of Daniel with the coming of the prince of this world. In Daniel 9:26 we are told “the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary” Notice it says “the prince that shall come”. Many believe this prince is speaking of the Roman commander Titus, but it is really speaking about the coming of the prince of this world, as Jesus said.



Notice in Daniel 9:26 it was “the people of” the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The “people of” the prince that shall come was the Roman army, Titus included. But like with Herod, they too had the same “spirit of the Devil” working in them.
Notice what Jesus says here in John 8:44 “Ye are “of” your father the devil, and“the lusts of” your father you will do. So those who are “of” the spirit of the Devil will also “do” the lusts or desires of their father the Devil.



Jesus went to the cross to destroy the works of the Devil.(1 John 3:8) This is why Jesus announced the judgment of the prince of this world at that time. Jesus said in John 16:11 “Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged” But Jesus also announced the judgment of this world at the same time when Jesus said “now is the judgment of this world, now shall the prince of this world be cast out”.



The judgment of the world is connected to Satan being cast out of heaven and down to the earth. Notice in Revelation 12:12 we see the heavens rejoicing, but we are told “Woe to the inhabiters of the earth.”
So a part of the judgment of the world was Satan being cast down to the earth. Satan being cast down to earth is the first seal judgment seen in Revelation 6:2. When the first seal was opened by the Lamb of God, John heard the sound of thunder. Thunder is usually accompanied by Lighting. Jesus said in Luke 10:18 “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven”

In Revelation 12 after the ascension of Jesus (the man child) we see the war in heaven and Satan is cast out with his angels down to earth. And we are told in verse 8 “neither was their place found any more in heaven.” In Revelation 12:4 we see the tail of the Red Dragon draw away a third part of the stars of heaven, the stars of heaven represent the angels of heaven who were deceived by the tailof the red dragon, which is the false prophet spirit, or aka the spirit of antichrist.
The spirit of Satan drawing away a third part of the angels (stars) from heaven is also shown in Daniel 8:10. The tail of the dragon that draws away the angels from heaven is the spirit of antichrist, which came at the same time when the Red Dragon was cast down to earth, as the tail is a part of, and is connected to the Red Dragon.

And John confirms the words of Jesus concerning when this spirit of the Devil would come, as John calls this spirit antichrist. John said in 1 John 2:18 “ye have heard that antichrist shall come”

So where did they hear this from? They heard it from Jesus, who said the prince of this world is coming. Again in 1 John 4:3 John says “This is that spirit of antichrist,, whereof ye have heard that it should come.” Again, they heard it from Jesus, that the prince of this world is coming.

And John confirms that this spirit of the Devil called antichrist, had already comein 1 John 4:3 when John said “even now already is it in the world.”

So John agrees with Jesus that the prince of this world and his spirit called antichrist had already come, and was already in the world when John said those words.

The presence of Satan and the spirit of antichrist can be seen in the world by all the evil and lies we see and hear in this world. Just as God has One Spirit that works in many to make up the body of Christ, whose Spirit is called the Spirit of Truth.
Satan also has one spirit that works in many that make up the body of the beast, whose spirit is a lying spirit called antichrist.

So be not deceived. Peace
Wasn't the devil in his fallen State when he persuaded Eve to eat from the Tree of knowledge?

Didn't Ezekiel speak of the time when Satan fell - seems past tense?

It doesn't Isaiah speak up when he fell from heaven and how he weakened the Nations - seems past tense?

Jesus said he'd beheld Satan is lightning fall through heaven. Beheld is past tense is it not.

All of the Sons of God came and Satan too - that indicates separation doesn't do any Christians believe? Satan both against Job. It is said Job is the oldest book / story in the Bible. Wouldn't Satan be in his fallen State then.

Scripture says the god of this world has blinded eyes --- doesn't that indicate he is already in his fallen state and rules this world, though temporary.

Some believe he and the angels that followed him were cast out of Heaven before the creation of the Earth.

Others believe the Earth was created but he and those that followed him were cast out of Heaven before the creation of Adam and Eve.
When Was Satan Cast out of Heaven? | What the Bible Tells Us

His place not being found in heaven anymore _ seems to mea whatever rank he held he was stripped of. He still had the freedom to come and go between Heaven and Earth but at a particular point at the end of days he will literally manifest himself on Earth with the intent on taking as many souls with him as possible. Knowing that he has been judged John 16:11 and sentenced and time is out.
 

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There is a lot of confusion concerning when Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth, but the words of Jesus tells usexactly when this happened. Also at this same time is when the spirit of antichrist was prophesied to come, as the spirit of antichrist is of the same spirit as that of the Devil, as the Devil/Satan is the father of this lying spirit called antichrist.

Jesus said in John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much you: for the prince of this world comes, and has nothing in me.”
As the lie has no place in the Truth.
Notice Jesus said “Hereafter” meaning this event was soon to take place right after Jesus said those words.

To prove this point, right before Jesus was to be crucified Jesus said in John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” And "now" means at that present time.

This is speaking about two separate events. Being cast DOWN and being cast OUT are not the same. Satan was cast OUT of heaven with his angels and bound to earth when Christ was born according to Rev 12. When Christ came the "now" fulfillment is known as He goes about casting demons/devils out of those people who were possessed by the evil spirits of this world. That was done to prove the Kingdom of God has come when Christ came to earth a man.

Revelation 12:4-9 (KJV) And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Luke 11:14-20 (KJV) And he was casting out a devil,
and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered. But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils. And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven. But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth. If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub. And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges. But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
 

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If Satan were already bound why would Peter say in
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

How can Satan be walking around on earth devouring people if he is already bound?

Because only the king of the bottomless pit was bound. As an evil spirit there are still many that are controlled by his spiritual influence to walk about seeking whom they Satan may devour.

Revelation 9:11 (KJV) And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Luke 8:30 (KJV) And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
 

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How can Satan tempt you if he is already bound for a thousand years?

1 Corinthians 7:5
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency

Through evil spirits of this world. Is it not through the Spirit of Christ in us that believers have been set free from fear of death? If the Spirit of Christ is able to work in us after Jesus has been long dead and ascended to heaven, what prevents the evil spirits of this world from doing the bidding of their king who is in the bottomless pit?
 

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How can the whole world worship the Devil/ Satan/ the Red Dragon if he is already bound?
Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Clearly the deception is so great that many have been convinced that Satan is already bound for a thousand years and sin no longer reigns on earth. But we know better.;)

You're very confused about the purpose for which Satan, the king of the bottomless pit has been bound! Nowhere in Scripture can you prove that when Satan is bound there will be peace and harmony upon this earth. The binding of Satan has never and shall never prevent him ruling over the multitude of evil spirits that are in this world. It is only those who have the stronger Spirit of Christ in them that Satan can no longer deceive.
 

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Wasn't the devil in his fallen State when he persuaded Eve to eat from the Tree of knowledge?
Jesus said he was a murderer from the very beginning …..
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

But this does not mean Satan was cast out of heaven at that time.
Didn't Ezekiel speak of the time when Satan fell - seems past tense?
God was talking to both MAN (Prince of Tyre) and the spirit in MAN (Adam) and the Covering Cherub who was anointed and created that way to fulfill God’s purpose…

Ezekiel 28:14

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14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.”
It doesn't Isaiah speak up when he fell from heaven and how he weakened the Nations - seems past tense?
Again in Isaiah God is speaking to BOTH the MAN (the King of Babylon) and to the single spirit of the Devil that is at work in MAN/ mankind who will be bound during the thousand year reign of Christ on earth.
Jesus said he'd beheld Satan is lightning fall through heaven. Beheld is past tense is it not
God foretells the future from the past…
Isaiah 48:3
I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.

Isaiah 48:5
I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee
.All of the Sons of God came and Satan too - that indicates separation doesn't do any Christians believe? Satan both against Job. It is said Job is the oldest book / story in the Bible. Wouldn't Satan be in his fallen State then.
That actually confirms that Satan appeared before God in heaven, so he still had access into heaven. Same is shown here…
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Scripture says the god of this world has blinded eyes --- doesn't that indicate he is already in his fallen state and rules this world, though temporary.
To me it indicates that is his purpose according to God’s will.
His place not being found in heaven anymore _ seems to mea whatever rank he held he was stripped of. He still had the freedom to come and go between Heaven and Earth but at a particular point at the end of days he will literally manifest himself on Earth with the intent on taking as many souls with him as possible.
Jesus told us when Satan was cast out of heaven when he said NOW
John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Satan has been present and deceiving the world for thousands of years already…
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
 

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Satan is bound after the resurrection of the saints at “the last day”at “the last trump.” I am amazed how so many are deceived in this forum. Truly Satan had blinded the minds of many.

I'm not amazed, I'm saddened by the number of people in these forums who profess to be Christians who only have physical sight. You cannot believe what you cannot see with your eyes. Where is your faith? If Satan is not bound then the Kingdom of God cannot be built, because all within the nations of the world would still be under his deception. But we find the exact opposite! Why? Because Christ the Stronger Man bound this evil spirit being called Satan through His cross and resurrection.

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
 

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You're very confused about the purpose for which Satan, the king of the bottomless pit has been bound! Nowhere in Scripture can you prove that when Satan is bound there will be peace and harmony upon this earth.
You have been deceived into thinking that Satan is already bound.

Satan has been present and deceiving the world for thousands of years already…
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”

The apostles did not consider Satan as already being bound for a thousand years, only those who are deceived by Satan believe he is currently bound in the bottomless pit.