When was Satan cast out of heaven, down to the earth?

[Spiritual Israelite]

How many times must the Lord say a thousand years before you could understand that he means a thousand years?

What a thousand yeaes means is a thousand years.
I think Barnabas put it correctly when he said a thousand years is a day to the lord.After 6 days he shall rest.The thousand years in revelation 20 is the Sabbath day and the holy keep it.
Not that I had learned this from Barnabas,but I understood it from reading Genesis and 2 Peter.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


There are many who are ignorant of that one thing even though Peter rather they not be.Some prefer not to learn what a thousand years is.

2 Peter 3:8 has absolutely nothing to do with Revelation 20. You are completely missing the context of 2 Peter 3:8.

You need to look at the surrounding verses to see the context.

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The context of 2 Peter 3:8 revolves around the amount of time it's talking for Jesus to come again. Last days scoffers ask "Where is the promise of his coming?". They think if He was coming He would have surely come by now because they are only looking at it from the human perspective of time. But, Peter makes it clear that "the Lord is not slack concerning his promise" of coming again. To Him, being God, one day is no different than a thousand years. He created time. No amount of time makes any difference to Him since He exists outside of time and created time. One day is as five thousand years, a million years or a trillion years to Him. He is not affected by time at all. That's all 2 Peter 3:8 means. To try to relate it to Revelation 20 and act like the thousand years is some Sabbath day to the Lord is utter nonsense and the result of doctrinal bias.

It's ironic that a Premil would reference 2nd Peter 3 at all when trying to support his view when the reality is that 2nd Peter 3 very strongly supports the Amil view instead. Peter taught there that just as in Noah's day "whereby th world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished...the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire". That lines up with what Jesus said in Matthew 24:35-39 when He indicated that heaven and earth would pass away in conjunction with His second coming which will be like what happened the day Noah entered the ark and the flood destroyed all unbelievers in the world. At His return the Lord will burn up the heavens and the earth when He comes unexpectedly like a thief in the night. Knowing that believers will all have immortal bodies at that point, how can any mortals populate the earth at that point when they obviously will all have either been changed to have immortal bodies or been killed at that time?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree Time can be symbolized in scripture, like a thousand years are as “a day” to the Lord.

Which is why I also believe by the Holy Spirit that the thousand year reign of Christ on earth is yet future. I believe Paul is speaking to that very thing here.

Hebrews 4​

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4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.”

This thousand years shall be like a big sabbath “day” of rest for Gods people who shall inherit the earth.

This is speculation at best. This is the problem with premillennialism. It's not based on clear, straightforward scripture like Amillennialism is.

There is clear, straightforward scripture which says that Jesus has been reigning a long time already since His resurrection (Matt 28:16-18, Eph 1:19-23, Col 1:12-13, Rev 1:5-6). There is clear, straightforward scripture which says that Jesus bound Satan long ago (Matt 12:28-29, Mark 3:27, Luke 11:21-22, Heb 2:14-15, 1 John 3:8). There is clear, straightforward scripture which says that all of the dead will be raised at generally the same time (John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:2, Acts 24:15). There is clear, straightforward scripture which says that all people will be judged at the same time (Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Matthew 25:31-46). There is clear, straightforward scripture which indicates that all believers will be changed to have immortal bodies when Jesus returns (1 Cor 15:50-54) and that all unbelievers will be killed when He returns (Matt 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-37, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Rev 19:17-18). You have to ignore all of this in order to continue to be a premillennialist.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.”

So how can sinners still die during this period of time if the LAST enemy to be destroyed is DEATH?

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

This passage is undeniably in relation to the "new heavens and a new earth". You had brought up Isaiah 65:18-25, but conveniently left out verse 17 because of obvious doctrinal bias.

Notice the similarities between the above passage and this passage:

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Both of these passages are undeniably about the new heavens and a new earth. So, we need to be able to reconcile them together without making them contradict each other. To act as if one of the passages isn't even about the new heavens and new earth and is about a supposed temporal earthly kingdom is not the right approach. It is a dishonest approach that is heavily influenced by doctrinal bias.

The Isaiah 65 passages only references "Jerusalem" without specifying which Jerusalem it's talking about, but since it's about the new heavens and new earth, it should be easy to discern that it's referring to the new Jerusalem.

Notice in Isaiah 65:17 it says "the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind". That lines up with Revelation 21:4 where it says "the former things are passed away".

Notice in Isaiah 65:19 it talks about the voice of weeping and crying is no longer heard in her. That lines up with Revelation 21:4 where it says "there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain". You might object and say "No, that doesn't line up with saying there shall be no more death because look at Isaiah 65:20". But, it does line up with saying there shall be no more death because if there's no more weeping or crying, how can there still be death? Would people not mourn the death of loved ones and friends anymore during the supposed future earthly kingdom of Christ? That doesn't make any sense. Is there some reason why you don't take Isaiah 65:19 in mind when interpreting verse 20? Not to mention verse 17 as well?

Isaiah 65:20 can't possibly be literally talking about a time during which people die because that would contradict what John said about there being no more death when the new heavens and new earth are ushered in and also would contradict the previous verse saying "and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.". You're not recognizing that Isaiah was figuratively describing eternity in a way that people back then could understand. They had no concept of eternity back then because it was before Jesus came to make a way for people to have eternal life. So, for Isaiah to say "the child shall die a hundred years old" is not to be taken literally. A 100 year old child? That can't be taken literally. No, that is a figurative way of saying that in eternity people won't age. Their bodies won't decay because they will be immortal and incorruptible. And the reference to the sinner being accursed at 100 years old is a figurative way of saying that unrepentant sinners will be accursed forever, just as Revelation 14:9-11 indicates.

So, what Isaiah described figuratively regarding the new heavens and a new earth, John described literally and straightforwardly. That's what you're missing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Righteousness is not reigning on earth right now, wickedness is!

1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Righteousness will not reign on earth until it is renewed by fire when Jesus returns. It will be the new earth at that point.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you think when Christ is reigning on earth there will be Darkness and Unrighteousness?

If you believe this Dark and Wicked world we are living into today is what it looks like when Christ reigns, then you are calling the Darkness Light.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Tell me one person or thing that Jesus does not reign over right now.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Alright, above you claim we are at the end of, or actually AFTER the thousand year reign of Christ, when the wicked come as the sand of the sea, referring to Rev 20:7-8

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”

So according to your false doctrine, WHEN were both the dead and living in Christ raised up and “changed”into their glorified physical bodies?

And do you now already believe you have been given a new glorified physical body?

Goodness sakes, this shows that you have little understanding of what we Amils believe. What gave you the idea that those of us who believe Satan's little season has already started, also believe that any of us already have glorified bodies? When did we ever say those 2 things go hand in hand? Never. We believe that we will be changed and have glorified immortal bodies at the last trumpet when Christ returns, which we believe happens at the end of Satan's little season. Jesus is the One who will put an end to Satan's little season by sending fire down upon the earth to destroy His enemies (2 Peter 3:10-12, 2 Thess 1:7-10, Rev 20:9).

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Goodness sakes, this shows that you have little understanding of what we Amils believe. What gave you the idea that those of us who believe Satan's little season has already started, also believe that any of us already have glorified bodies? When did we ever say those 2 things go hand in hand? Never. We believe that we will be changed and have glorified immortal bodies at the last trumpet when Christ returns, which we believe happens at the end of Satan's little season. Jesus is the One who will put an end to Satan's little season by sending fire down upon the earth to destroy His enemies (2 Peter 3:10-12, 2 Thess 1:7-10, Rev 20:9).

Actually it exposes the ERROR in your false doctrine. You are unable to discern when the resurrection of the saints takes place, and when the thousand year reign of Christ begins. This shows you have the spirit of error working in you.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[WPM]

Actually it exposes the ERROR in your false doctrine. You are unable to discern when the resurrection of the saints takes place, and when the thousand year reign of Christ begins. This shows you have the spirit of error working in you.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

In your head, anyone who disagrees with you is of the devil. That is ridiculous. That is delusional. That is pride.

All you have is ad hominem. You cannot answer simple questions. You cannot expound the actual texts that are presented to you.

You can't even explain your own position. That is why all you have now is insults.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

In your head, anyone who disagrees with you is of the devil. That is ridiculous. That is delusional. That is pride.

All you have is ad hominem. You cannot answer simple questions. You cannot expound the actual texts that are presented to you.

You can't even explain your own position. That is why all you have now is insults.

Those who resist the Truth also resist the Spirit of Truth. Those who born of Gods Holy Spirit shall know and speak the Truth.

The error in your “Amil” doctrine is just like the error of those who believe the AOD and destruction of the Temple is yet future.

They are in error about the timing of events, as are you.

They believe that something that already happened 2,000 years or so ago is yet future. Just like you “Amils” believe the thousand year of Christ on earth began 2,000 years or so ago.

So both ideas are way off on the timing of events in prophecy, that is the confusion.

No matter what scriptures are posted, in the mind of the con-fused the timing of events will always be off for them because they do not understand.

 

[WPM]

Those who resist the Truth also resist the Spirit of Truth. Those who born of Gods Holy Spirit shall know and speak the Truth.

The error in your “Amil” doctrine is just like the error of those who believe the AOD and destruction of the Temple is yet future.

They are in error about the timing of events, as are you.

They believe that something that already happened 2,000 years or so ago is yet future. Just like you “Amils” believe the thousand year of Christ on earth began 2,000 years or so ago.

So both ideas are way off on the timing of events in prophecy, that is the confusion.

No matter what scriptures are posted, in the mind of the con-fused the timing of events will always be off for them because they do not understand.

If you had the truth on this matter you would be able to support your beliefs with hard Scripture. But you cannot give us any support for your opinion of Rev 20. All you have is your false charges.

You duck around numerous Scripture, because it forbids your error. You cannot even explain your own position. The millennium that you imagine is fictional. It will never happen. You force so much into Revelation 20 that is not even in the text. It is simply what you've been taught.

All we are left with that is you're frustrated false charges.

The second coming brings a close to the day of salvation. Repeated Scripture shows that now is the only day of salvation. After showing us the destruction of this earth, the works that are in it, the heavens, the elements when Jesus comes, and after describing the longsuffering of God in the days of Noah before the destruction of all the wicked, Peter responds to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: “the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). See also Romans 2:4 and 2 Timothy 2:10. This shows that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming. A sign of the end is that the Gospel must “be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14). The second coming brings the curtain down on the great commission. Once the ark door closes it is too late (Matthew 25:10-13, 28:19-20 and Act 3:19-21). At the end of this age (or literally, the consummation of the age), the time of God’s grace will finally be complete.

The age to come has no room for "mortals" (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalm 25:12-13, 37:9-11, 22, 28-36, 34, Proverbs 2:21-22, 10:30, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Corinthians 15:24, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). One must be qualified to inherit the new earth. They must be worthy to enter that age (Luke 20:35). Only glorified saints can inherit the glorified earth. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Matthew 13:29, 49, 28:20, John 6:39-44, 54, John 11:21-27, John 12:48, Ephesians 1:10 and Revelation 10:5-7 would seem to suggest that time reaches its fullness at the climactic return of Christ. History itself is completed. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Luke 20:34-36, Acts 3:19-21, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 ,1 Peter 1:3-5 and Revelation 21:1-5 all show that the end of the bondage of corruption occurs when Jesus comes. A far more glorious age will then be ushered in. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

1 Corinthians 13:12, Ephesians 4:13 and Revelation 10:5-7 show that the curtain coming down on the mystery of God, thus confirming we are at the end of time and entering into eternity when all will finally be revealed. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Repeated Scripture locates the replacement of the current heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth and incorruption at the second coming. Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15 shows us that this occurs at the second coming. This is indeed the end of time, the end of corruption, the end of the wicked, the end of sin, the end of death, the end for the devil. It is the beginning of eternity. It is the beginning of perfection. It is the beginning of incorruption. It is the beginning of a new arrangement.

It seems like whatever angle you examine the second coming it appears to be climactic, final and glorious.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Actually it exposes the ERROR in your false doctrine. You are unable to discern when the resurrection of the saints takes place, and when the thousand year reign of Christ begins. This shows you have the spirit of error working in you.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

You are completely out of line and you need to apologize. The spirit of error is what John called "that spirit of antichrist" a few verses earlier and by associating 1 John 4:6 with me, you are trying to tell me I am "not of God". Are you kidding me? You have now decided that the end times beliefs that someone has determines whether they are saved or not? Looks like you not only have more to learn about eschatology, but about soteriology as well. You need to humble yourself and be teachable.

Your lack of willingness to address any of the passages I bring up is very noticeable. You will not give your interpretation of passages like 2 Peter 3:10-13, John 5:28-29 and Matthew 25:31-46. Why is that?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In your head, anyone who disagrees with you is of the devil. That is ridiculous. That is delusional. That is pride.

All you have is ad hominem. You cannot answer simple questions. You cannot expound the actual texts that are presented to you.

You can't even explain your own position. That is why all you have now is insults.

I thought he was different than the pretribs because he is post-trib and does have a few good insights, but it turns out he is just like them with his pridefulness, his terrible attitude and how he judges us merely for having the gall to disagree with some of his end times beliefs. He won't address any of the straightforward scriptures that Amils base their doctrine on. He must know that he can't reconcile his doctrine with those scriptures (2 Peter 3:10-13, John 5:28-29, Matt 13:36-43, Matt 25:31-46, 2 Thess 1:7-10, etc.) and that's why he doesn't address them.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In your head, anyone who disagrees with you is of the devil. That is ridiculous. That is delusional. That is pride.

All you have is ad hominem. You cannot answer simple questions. You cannot expound the actual texts that are presented to you.

You can't even explain your own position. That is why all you have now is insults.

He clearly has very little understanding of Amil, but he is acting as if those who are Amils are part of some non-Christian cult. He quoted 1 John 4:6 and associated it with me and he thinks I am "not of God" and have "the spirit of error". Can you believe this nonsense? The biggest emphasis of Amil is to worship Jesus Christ and put Him on as high of a pedestal as possible since He IS the King of kings and Lord of lords, and someone wants to say we are "not of God" and have "the spirit of error" which John also called "that spirit of antichrist"? This is insanity.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Those who resist the Truth also resist the Spirit of Truth. Those who born of Gods Holy Spirit shall know and speak the Truth.

You are out of your mind. Do we Amils not speak the truth when we say that Jesus Christ, our great God and Savior, has all power and authority in heaven and on earth right now, as He said Himself (Matthew 28:16-18)? You are accusing us of not being born of the Spirit just because you disagree with our end times doctrine? Are you kidding me? You are so far out of line here, it's just unbelievable.

 

[lforrest]

I believe the declaration of Jesus points to an eternal reality that was realized at the moment of his death. "Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out."

What does this mean? An eternal reality is an event happening in time that has implications from the beginning to the end. Like a bug that smears across your windshield, the collision is spread out. Perhaps @ScottA has a similar concept.

 

[WPM]

Actually it exposes the ERROR in your false doctrine. You are unable to discern when the resurrection of the saints takes place, and when the thousand year reign of Christ begins. This shows you have the spirit of error working in you.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Is this the way you treat your wife if she disagrees with you?

 

[WPM]

I thought he was different than the pretribs because he is post-trib and does have a few good insights, but it turns out he is just like them with his pridefulness, his terrible attitude and how he judges us merely for having the gall to disagree with some of his end times beliefs. He won't address any of the straightforward scriptures that Amils base their doctrine on. He must know that he can't reconcile his doctrine with those scriptures (2 Peter 3:10-13, John 5:28-29, Matt 13:36-43, Matt 25:31-46, 2 Thess 1:7-10, etc.) and that's why he doesn't address them.

So true. Sadly, it goes with the territory of being one of those online. They cannot talk respectfully.

 

[ScottA]

I believe the declaration of Jesus points to an eternal reality that was realized at the moment of his death. "Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out."

What does this mean? An eternal reality is an event happening in time that has implications from the beginning to the end. Like a bug that smears across your windshield, the collision is spread out. Perhaps @ScottA has a similar concept.

Time is a conceived thing within God who is eternal, complete with its own set of laws and context reality. Meaning that all things of this world come under the greater reality of God. As such, like the things we ourselves also conceive of within our mind (as that is the substance of all that God himself conceives), that would-be reality is a mere conception of thought. Comparatively, we too can make much of our own thoughts manifest. But what have we proven by doing so? That the world is real as we would define it? Or rather, that we have believed beyond what God has shown is true. For from the beginning, He has said even we of the same elements of the universe, are "image."

The key, as Paul eluded, is in "rightly dividing the word of truth" as either being of the context of eternity, or the context of this world. Which is the view standing with one foot on the land and the other on the sea (the sea referring to the spirit). In which case, "The Lamb that was slain" saw all (even Satan cast out of heaven) "before the foundation of the world."

 

[Timtofly]

Completely. He's not addressing any of my points. Imagine trying to say that Satan is deceiving the masses more than ever. More than when only 8 people in the world were saved as was the case in Noah's day? Really? He's not dealing with reality here. He'd rather cling to his premil doctrine than do that.

Satan was not deceiving people prior to the Flood. Satan was not even ruling over people prior to the Flood.

There was no Law Covenant, nor Covenant of grace prior to the Flood.

All of Adam's offspring except Noah were all wicked. They were worse than their father Adam. You are not making any points with nonsensical questions.

If you have any inclination of God's sovereignty and foreknowledge, you would know God prepared Noah for such a time, turning his heart to righteousness. He found a wife who agreed with him and had 4 sons who lived for near 100 years and found wives prepared by God for them. God was already preparing the world for judgment.

Saying life was worse just before the Flood is meaningless. Those people were enjoying wickedness immensely. They were not troubled nor suffering in their sin, any more nor less than humans today. In fact many were part sons of God, having longevity different than the decay of Adam's dead corruptible flesh, which lasted itself, hundreds of years, and God had to shorten a life span to 120 years. Even Noah and his sons lived past 500 years of age, despite the drastic changes to life on earth post the Flood.

God set the Flood up to destroy all those sons of God instead of just trotting them before a tribunal and placing them in sheol. It was not the end of current creation, and neither will the Second Coming, be the end of Creation.

Satan does not need to keep deceiving humanity anyways. Satan only had to deceive one person, Eve. That one deception resulted in the Flood.

Satan only has to plant false information into one person's head and erroneous doctrine and religions are born that last thousands of years.

You say that Satan does not accuse us because no one can. Being able to and doing something are two different things.

If that is the case, then calling you a liar, should not bend you out of shape. One could call you a liar all day long and it would not affect you one bit. People could post lies about you all the time, and you would not have to respond nor defend yourself. Yet you seem bent on people apologizing to you for making you look bad. You don't even take those verses to heart.

"Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?"

If you imply other posters are misrepresenting you, that would be an impossibility in your opinion of this verse. My point being that Satan is not bound somewhere on a long leash. He is constantly accusing us day and night before that heavenly throne. The verses are proof that no accusation can stick. Whatever Satan brings up to God, Jesus, as our advocate, tells God, He has that covered. Jesus would not be our advocate and lawyer, if Satan never accused us before God. 1 John 2:1 Revelation 12:10-11

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,"

The reason Paul could say nothing can offend us nor make us look bad, is because of that promise:

"Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?"

That does not mean it won’t happen. It means it is powerless when it happens. The 7th Trumpet is when Satan is cast out, because that is the third woe:

"The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded."

So when is the next time woe is mentioned?

"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

The third woe connected with the 7th Trumpet, is Satan cast out of heaven for the very last time. He then comes to earth and woe to those on the earth. Your verses do not prove Satan has not had access to God. You verses just prove that what Satan does is futile when it comes to accusing the Brethren, and they have overcome despite Satan's accusations.

 

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His activity was clearly restrained.

2Thess 2
6 And you know what restrains him now, so that he will be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is removed.
8 Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will eliminate with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not accept the love of the truth so as to be saved.



So satan cannot go forth in all power and full deception until the appointed time.
Looks like he is on a chain to me.

Yes, my position is that Satan, a strong man, was "restrained" from deceiving the world FOR THE SAKE OF THE ELECT so that Christ could build the church by spoiling His children out of Satan's house (world). Satan was restrained so we could be saved. So, once Christ has finished sealing all of His people He intended to be sealed has been sealed through the testimony of Two Witnesses, Satan's power will be restored to deceive people once again. God will use him and allow him to bring the army of false prophets and christs into the unfaithful congregation where people who have NOT YET SEALED will be deceived to believe a lie coming out of the mouth of false prophets and christs. They will have desire to be saved or seek salvation but cannot find it (Read Revelation 9). This is how God use Satan to judge the unfaithful congregation of Israel - Babylon the Great.

This is very important that Satan cannot be loosened UNTIL all Elect are secured FIRST (Revelation 7:1-4), before the wind of false deception will attack the Church all over the world (four corners of the Earth).