When was Satan cast out of heaven, down to the earth?

[WPM]

If you cannot see that this whole world is in darkness and wickedness right now then YOU are also in darkness and blind. Have a nice day.

Colossians 1:13 tells us that God “hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son."

We have been transferred from darkness to light, from Satan to Jesus, from death to life. Darkness no longer has dominion over the believer. The reason is that the light of the world – Jesus Christ – resides within them.

Sin, self and Satan no longer has dominion over the believer. Neither does death.

Jesus said in Matthew 5:14-16:

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

• Light dispels the darkness.
• It reveals what is really true.
• It allows us to walk without falling down.

This is you and me! Can you not see why Satan fights you so hard? He is scared of you bringing the light to your family, friends and community.

This may give you a better insight into why it says in 1 John 4:4, “greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”

The reason is light is always stronger than darkness! Christ reigns over Satan today. He has dominion over Him. He dominates Him. He has dominion over Him.

The dictionary defines dominate as:

• to have control of or power over (someone or something)
• to tower above (surroundings, etc);
• to be much more powerful or successful than others.

Jesus said in Luke 11:21-22, “When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.”

• Firstly, the binding of Satan is spiritual. Satan is not human and physical. He is a spirit. A spirit cannot be held by physical restraints. What is more, he is not in a physical prison or is he restrained by metal chains.
• Secondly, the binding does not suggest our enemy must be motionless or does it describe inactivity. Prisoners have movement in a prison albeit in a limited capacity, under strict rules and within controlled confines.
• Thirdly, Revelation 20 does not suggest that the devil is unable to inflict harm on anyone while bound. Everyone knows that a prisoner can perpetrate all types of crimes within the prison precincts.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Christ is reigning over all of His enemies today at the right hand of majesty on high. He will finally and eternally put them down when He comes again. He holds all power and authority in heaven and upon earth. The ungodly world has been invaded for 2000 years by the glorious gospel of Christ. Satan's territory is being stripped as the kingdom of God rescues the lost.

The victory of the cross was the key to spoiling Satan's power and kingdom. It stripped him of his enormous unchallenged global influence, caused him to be dethroned in untold millions of heathen lives and ensured he was curtailed in countless Gentile villages, towns and cities throughout the world through the faithful preaching of the Word of God.

Righteousness is not reigning on earth right now, wickedness is!

1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

 

[WPM]

Righteousness is not reigning on earth right now, wickedness is!

1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Nowhere does it say in Revelation 20 that there it will be righteous. That occurs in the eternal state. Your millennium is overrun by billions of wicked at the end as the sand of the sea. That is where we are now. The restraint has been taken off the wicked for a short season.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Nowhere does it say in Revelation 20 that there it will be righteous. That occurs in the eternal state. Your millennium will never happen. It is overrun by billions of wicked at the end as the sand of the sea. That is where we are now. The restraint has been taken off the wicked for a short season.

So you think when Christ is reigning on earth there will be Darkness and Unrighteousness?

If you believe this Dark and Wicked world we are living into today is what it looks like when Christ reigns, then you are calling the Darkness Light.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[WPM]

So you think when Christ is reigning on earth there will be Darkness and Unrighteousness?

If you believe this Dark and Wicked world we are living into today is what it looks like when Christ reigns, then you are calling the Darkness Light.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

You not only strip Christ of His kingship, you strip Him of His Godhood with your teaching. You dethrone Christ from the right hand of majesty on high with what you have been taught wrongly.

Who are these billions of wicked who overrun your supposed future millennium as the sand of the sea? Where do they come from? Does their foolish deceptive behavior feigning worship to Christ for 1000 years negate His kingship?

 

[Wick Stick]

When was Satan cast out of heaven, down to the earth?​

15th century BC.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Your millennium will never happen. It is overrun by billions of wicked at the end as the sand of the sea. That is where we are now. The restraint has been taken off the wicked for a short season.

Alright, above you claim we are at the end of, or actually AFTER the thousand year reign of Christ, when the wicked come as the sand of the sea, referring to Rev 20:7-8

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”

So according to your false doctrine, WHEN were both the dead and living in Christ raised up and “changed”into their glorified physical bodies?

And do you now already believe you have been given a new glorified physical body?

 

[WPM]

Alright, above you claim we are at the end of, or actually AFTER the thousand year reign of Christ, when the wicked come as the sand of the sea, referring to Rev 20:7-8

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”

So according to your false doctrine, WHEN were both the dead and living in Christ raised up and “changed”into their glorified physical bodies?

And do you now already believe you have been given a new glorified physical body?

Calm down. Can you engage in a Christian manner?

Both the dead and living in Christ raised up and “changed”into their glorified physical bodies at the second coming after Satan's little season.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Both the dead and living in Christ raised up and “changed”into their glorified physical bodies at the second coming after Satan's little season.

So you think the second coming and resurrection of the saints happens AFTER the thousand years reign?

This cannot be, because the resurrection of the saints happens BEFORE the thousand year reign.

If what you are saying WERE true then all the saints would at Jerusalem right now.

Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

But they are not, they are still scattered to the 4 corners of heaven and earth.

Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

So again your doctrine has been proven to be in error.

I’ll leave you to your strong delusion. Bye!

 

[WPM]

So you think the second coming and resurrection of the saints happens AFTER the thousand years reign?

This cannot be, because the resurrection of the saints happens BEFORE the thousand year reign.

If what you are saying WERE true then all the saints would at Jerusalem right now.

Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

But they are not, they are still scattered to the 4 corners of heaven and earth.

Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

So again your doctrine has been proven to be in error.

I’ll leave you to your strong delusion. Bye!

Not so. After Gog and Magog at end.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why did you leave verse 17 out that tells us that this is speaking about the "new heavens and new earth," not some imaginary future sin-cursed goat-infested death-blighted corrupt millennial earth?

That was quite convenient for him to do that, wasn't it. The dishonesty we constantly see from premils is unbelievable.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you think the second coming and resurrection of the saints happens AFTER the thousand years reign?

This cannot be, because the resurrection of the saints happens BEFORE the thousand year reign.

Please tell me how you interpret this passage:

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

If what you are saying WERE true then all the saints would at Jerusalem right now.

Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

That is not talking about the earthly Jerusalem. How could all the saints be there and how could a number of people "as the sand of the sea" literally surround it? That is absurd. Revelation 20:7-9 is a symbolic representation of the worldwide opposition against the church just before Jesus returns.

How can you think that "the beloved city" is Jerusalem? You think the city God destroyed in 70 AD is "the beloved city"? Not possible. You are not using scripture to interpret scripture. The "beloved city" of God is the holy city, the new heavenly Jerusalem, which figuratively represents "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:2,9), which is the church.

Like all premils, you are ignorant about much of the New Testament.

Hebrews 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: 20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: 21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) 22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

But they are not, they are still scattered to the 4 corners of heaven and earth.

Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

So again your doctrine has been proven to be in error.

I’ll leave you to your strong delusion. Bye!

You have proven nothing except that you are ignorant of a great deal of New Testament scripture that contradicts your premil belief.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you cannot see that this whole world is in darkness and wickedness right now then YOU are also in darkness and blind. Have a nice day.

This whole world? Exaggerate much? Are you in darkness right now? I know I'm not. So, I guess it's not this whole world then. A multitude of people have been saved in NT times compared to few in OT times, including only 8 in Noah's day. Your refusal to acknowledge the tremendous impact that Christ's death and resurrection along with the preaching of His gospel has had in the world for the past almost 2,000 years is sad to see.

Jesus bound the strong man and has spoiled his house and you don't see it because you're only looking at how the world is now after it has gotten worse in recent years. I agree that it has and that's why I believe Satan's little season has already begun. But, you can't just ignore the previous almost 2,000 years when a multitude of people have been saved thanks to Jesus binding the strong man and setting many people free who Satan was previously able to keep in slavery to the fear of death (Heb 2:14-15). The preaching of the gospel has turned a multitude "from the power of Satan to the power of God" (Acts 26:18) in NT times.

 

[Jay Ross]

So again your doctrine has been proven to be in error.

Ah! the pot calling the kettle black, I see.

Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that the heavenly hosts, i.e., Satan, the beast(s) and the false prophet/the little Horn, and the Kings of the earth will be judged at the same time. This will happen, from my understanding, in around 20 years' time when the kings of the earth are gathered at Armageddon to be judged for their trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts over the past 2,280 year under the influence of the Little Horn.

From Matt 24:32 we learn when the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children will end at the end of the fourth age of the existence of the Israelites. At the beginning of the next age, God will begin drawing the Israelites to Himself and will plant them in His Fertile Field/soil and will begin teaching them His statutes based upon the rock that will come down out of heaven to become the largest mountain/religion in all of the earth, and He will give them peace upon the earth by removing Satan, the beast and the False Prophet from the face of the earth for a period of time, namely 1,000 years by having them imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit before they are released for the Little While period that follows their release and Satan realise that he only has a short period of time in which he can usurp God and install himself as a god of the peoples of the earth.

Ezekiel 34:11-31: - God, the True Shepherd​

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11 'For thus says the Lord God: "Indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so will I seek out My sheep and deliver/rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day. 13 And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries and will bring them into My Fertile Field; I will feed them on the mountain(s) of Israel, {a metaphor for Israel’s religious basis}, {where they are living} in the {river} valleys and in all the inhabited places of the earth. 14 I will feed them in good pasture, and their fold shall be on the high mountain(s) of Israel, {i.e. the religious basis of Israel}. There they shall lie down in a good fold and feed in rich pasture on the mountain(s) of Israel {i.e. the religious basis of Israel}. 15 I will feed My flock, and I will make them lie down," says the Lord God. 16 "I will seek what was lost and bring back what was driven away, bind up the broken and strengthen what was sick; but I will destroy the fat and the strong, and feed them in judgment." ​

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17 'And as for you, O My flock, thus says the Lord God: "Behold, I shall judge between sheep and sheep, between rams and goats. 18 Is it too little for you to have eaten up the good pasture, that you must tread down with your feet the residue of your pasture — and to have drunk of the clear waters, that you must foul the residue with your feet? 19 And as for My flock, they eat what you have trampled with your feet, and they drink what you have fouled with your feet."​

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20 'Therefore thus says the Lord God to them: "Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. 21 Because you have pushed with side and shoulder, butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, 22 therefore I will save My flock, and they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. 23 I will establish one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them — My servant David. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24 And I, the Lord, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the Lord, have spoken.​

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25 "I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause evil beasts [1] to cease from the earth; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. 26 I will make them and the places all around My hill a blessing; and I will cause showers to come down in their season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 Then the trees of the field shall yield their fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase. They shall be safe within my fertile field; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I have broken the bands of their yoke and delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. 28 And they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, nor shall beasts of the earth devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and no one shall make them afraid. 29 I will raise up for them a garden of renown, and they shall no longer be consumed with hunger on the earth, nor bear the shame of the Gentiles anymore. 30 Thus they shall know that I, the Lord their God, am with them, and they, the house of Israel, are My people," says the Lord God.'"​

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31 "You are My flock, the flock of My pasture; you are men, and I am your God," says the Lord God.​

Shalom

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[1] This is a reference to God’s judgement of the beastly Heavenly Hosts who will be judged during the time that God is turning His attention once more towards the Israelites in our near future, around the year 2044 AD give or take a year or so either way because of the uncertainty in the understanding of the relations between God’s timeframe and man’s understanding.

Isaiah 24:21-22 speaks of God Judging the Heavenly Hosts in Heaven and the kings of the earth on the earth and that they will be gathered together with the kings of the earth and imprisoned in a cistern/pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.
Daniel 7:11-12 also speaks of the time of the judgement of the four Beasts, referred to as the four winds of Heaven in Daniel 7:2 that causes a manifestation of the four respective beasts to rise up out of the sea of humanity with the dominate characteristic of the four respective beasts.

In Revelation 16:12-16 we are told that the kings of the earth after the signs performed by the three foul frog like spirits when they went out from the mouth of the Dragon, the False Prophet and the Beast would be to assemble them for battle, on the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon where they will be judged as Isaiah 24:21-22 prophesied.

Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, that when the fullness with respect to time, that has been set for the Gentiles to trample God’s Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, has drawn to its conclusion, after the 2,300-year period, and the subsequent judgement of the kings of the earth, all of Israel will be saved.

My paraphrase of this verse.​

Ezekiel 34:28 repeats this same theme, where it points a second time to the beasts being removed from the face of the earth and not troubling Israel for a period of 1,000-years.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Let us expose this false doctrine that says the thousand year reign of Christ on earth had already begun after Christ was resurrected.

Tell me who will be the mortals that populate a supposed earthly kingdom when Christ returns.

How do you interpret this passage:

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

When will this happen? Who are the sheep and who are the goats? What is the destiny of the sheep? What is the destiny of the goats?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh you are wise in your own conceit!

Look in the mirror.

Read verse 20….

for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.”

So how can sinners still die during this period of time if the LAST enemy to be destroyed is DEATH?

Isaiah used figurative language to describe eternity in a way people back then could understand. Eternity was not a concept that anyone understood in OT times like we do in NT times. The idea of eternal life was foreign to them, but became a reality when Jesus died and rose again to give people the opportunity and hope of eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

When is DEATH finally destroyed????

At the last trumpet when Christ returns:

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Isaiah 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 20:6-14​

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King James Version​

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6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”


So Isaiah 65:18-25 is talking about the thousand year reign of Christ because DEATH is on still on earth during that time.

There is a harmony to the text and the words of God confirm the Truth. The thousand year reign of Christ has not happened yet.;)

No, the context of Isaiah 65:18-25 is in relation to the new heavens and new earth (Isaiah 65:17). You conveniently left out verse 17, which reveals your doctrinal bias. Scripture never contradicts itself and John very clearly indicated that when the new heavens and new earth are ushered in, there will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I already told you it was. But the casting of Satan out of individuals is NOT the topic.

Here is the topic of the OP….

When was Satan cast out of heaven, down to the earth?​

I’m done trying to reason with all you “Amils” You guys are still in the dark.

What exactly are you saying when you say we're "in the dark"? That's normally something that would be said about unbelievers who are in spiritual darkness. Is that what you think of us? Our doctrine emphasizes the current power and majesty of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ and His authority over all things in heaven and on earth (Matt 28:16-18, Eph 1:19-23), but you think we're "still in the dark". You will not address any passages we bring up that support our doctrine and refute yours, such as 2 Peter 3:10-13, John 5:28-29 and Matthew 25:31-46. Why is that? If you really think were "still in the dark", then put your money where you mouth is and prove it and stop running away from the passages that support our doctrine. If you think those passages don't support our doctrine, then tell us how they should be interpreted.

Why don't you start with this one:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is true, but Satan has still managed to deceive the whole world.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And the whole world worships him by serving sin.

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Why are you taking that so literally? Does he deceive you? Do you worship him and the beast? Obviously, those verses are only talking about those "whose names are not written in the book of life" and not literally everyone. There is "a great multitude" of saved people (Rev 7:9), so why do you fail to mention them? Did Satan deceive them and did they worship him and the beast? No. For some reason you leave that out of the narrative. You don't look at the big picture.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A thousand years is not an unspecific time period.

How many times must God say a thousand years before you could hear the words a thousand years?

Not- 999

Not -1005


A- 1000

This is not a valid argument. The beast is mentioned over 30 times in the book of Revelation. Does that mean it's a literal beast with seven literal heads and ten literal horns? Of course not.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Correct, but Satan was not bound for a thousand years at this time. That is yet future
I don’t even know what Premil is as I don’t follow the doctrines of men. I was taught by Christ, not by men. Also I take no pleasure in beating a dead horse. No matter how hard you try, they just will not respond.

Premil is simply the belief that the thousand years immediately follows Christ's return. Amil is the belief that Jesus reigns now, as scripture explicitly teaches (Matt 28:16-18, Eph 1:19-22, Col 1:12-13, Rev 1:5-6, etc.) and that Satan's binding means his influence has been restrained rather than completely removed. I believe the mass falling away from the faith that Jesus (Matt 24:10) and Paul (2 Thess 2:3, 1 Tim 4:1), prophesied will occur when Satan is loosed. Paul even says that the mass falling away and revealing of the man of sin (sinful mankind that has fallen away from God) will be "after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders" (2 Thess 2:9).

This is scripture I'm sharing with you here, not "the doctrines of men". It's scripture that you are currently ignorant about. To not recognize that Jesus has been reigning since His resurrection can only happen because of doctrinal bias since scripture is very clear that He began to reign back then. He said Himself that all power and authority was given to Him in heaven and on earth (Matt 28:16-18) and Paul said the Father placed Him at His right hand "far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named" and He "hath put all things under His feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church" (Eph 1:19-22). If that isn't reigning, I don't know what is. And Revelation 20 should be understood accordingly.