When did the last days start? (Answered)

[tailgator]

Yes the world will continue on, Keraz. There are people out there who want this beautiful planet God created destroyed. What people don’t understand is he destroyed the heaven and earth economy of Jerusalem by divorce and established a heavenly economy.

Is there still evil and what not in the world, sure there is. I myself know I personally can be dark and evil if I choose to be, but coming to the light of Jesus my heart changed from such darker desires.







Let me ask you this, while I know personally I will die one day, what is the point in destroying the planet as a whole? If no one is left to choose to turn to God, how will his kingdom continue to increase?

Jerusalem's economy is not destroyed.Its thriving .
The leader of Jerusalem is stomping on the nations around him .He is developing a cashless society and wants microchips in everyone in Israel.Hes now developing an AI to be his nations spokesperson to show the world he is at the forefront of technology.

 

[MatthewG]

It was destroyed completely and utterly in 70Ad. That material place while I respect the people in it and am not an anti-semite. That material place no longer applies because today we are part of the heavenly Jerusalem today, Tailgator.

 

[tailgator]

It was destroyed completely and utterly in 70Ad. That material place while I respect the people in it and am not an anti-semite. That material place no longer applies because today we are part of the heavenly Jerusalem today, Tailgator.

That deadly wound was healed in 1948.
Open your eyes and see

 

[MatthewG]

Some people are awaiting a third temple. I think the third temple arrived in a body, named Jesus.

 

[MatthewG]

That deadly wound was healed in 1948.
Open your eyes and see

I don't think that matters. It doesn't matter to me personally. It does matter to some.

 

[tailgator]

I don't think that matters. It doesn't matter to me personally. It does matter to some.

You truly have no idea what I'm talking about about ,do you?

 

[MatthewG]

I know that we are going back and forth between a person who believes fulfilment has happened, and a person who believes in futurism.

That's all on oneself concerning what they believe in eschatology matters.

 

[tailgator]

I know that we are going back and forth between a person who believes fulfilment has happened, and a person who believes in futurism.

That's all on oneself concerning what they believe in eschatology matters.

That's what I thought
I believe 99 percent of the people on this board would have picked up on the things I was saying whether they believe it or not.

But your not picking up on anything.

 

[MatthewG]

Okay.

 

[Pearl]

Hello to you, and welcome to the topic: When did the last days start?

To me the #last days' started when Jesus came to earth to show us how to live righteously and paid the price for our sin. So since that time we have been in the last days. God's time-scale is not measured as ours is.

 

[Davidpt]

Some people are awaiting a third temple. I think the third temple arrived in a body, named Jesus.

At least you are correct about this. I can't say the same for some some of the other things you have concluded per this thread.

 

[MatthewG]

To me the #last days' started when Jesus came to earth to show us how to live righteously and paid the price for our sin. So since that time we have been in the last days. God's time-scale is not measured as ours is.

Pearl, Okay.

 

[MatthewG]

At least you are correct about this. I can't say the same for some some of the other things you have concluded per this thread.

David, Okay.

 

[Davidpt]

(2 Peter 3:10) - Peter writes to his audience presumably the same audience that was written to in his first letter, to his fellow Jewish brothers, and some Gentiles (depending on what may be said), whom were in the Kingdom areas of Pontus, Galatia, Capadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who were elect according to the foreknowledge of the Father.



Now, with this many people mark this as the sign and time for today that people are looking for which comes like a thief. What is this day? Peter is writing about the day of the LORD, have you ever heard that before?

What is taught normally is that - on the day of the LORD that comes like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

First one thing needs to be addressed here - what is the heavens and the earth which would pass away proclaimed by Jesus? Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (Matthew 24:35). What should be known about this is that the Jewish brothers of Jesus, looked at their land as their heaven and earth, why? Because God before the death of Christ and resurrection, had chosen a nation, and gave them a land. This land was there heaven and earth. They also had the temple, the temple was were they went to sacrifice and even God would show up in this temple which was on Mount Mariah. You can find this information in (1 Kings 8:11).

For the Jewish people their heavens and earth (land), was theirs, and Jesus claims it would pass away, and so does peter, and how would this come about? With intense heat, and the elements (everything around would) become destroyed? There heaven and earth would pass away it would be no more the age would be over.

How? By the invading armies of Rome which Jesus also proclaimed, (Luke 21:20-24), and this would be the Day of the Lord, which Peter had stated, would come upon the unbelievers at the time like a thief in the night! They would be literally bombarded with God's wrath which ( I suspect ) God used the Roman Armies to take the nation then out, and destroy everything bringing forth a new age which is of the Spirit.

What in the world is Peter talking about? Did he even know what he was talking about as an Apostle of Christ? Of course, for a fisherman, he remembered what he was taught in the old testament, let's go back and look at the very last book of the bible they would have had in their day.

For you to be consistent then, that means you need to interpret the following in the same manner since it is not reasonable that the DOTL comes like a thief in the night multiple times at different times.

1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 ¶Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


What is it about any of this that gives you the impression 70 AD and the Romans attacking unbelieving Jews is what is in view here? Obviously, you know how to structure arguments because look at all the arguments you laid out in the OP. Therefore, a one liner pertaining to what I just asked you doesn't cut it. Which means you need to submit an argument like you did in the OP, which has 1 Thessalonians 5:1-9 agreeing with what I quoted above from your OP.

 

[MatthewG]

For you to be consistent then, that means you need to interpret the following in the same manner since it is not reasonable that the DOTL comes like a thief in the night multiple times at different times.

1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 ¶Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


What is it about any of this that gives you the impression 70 AD and the Romans attacking unbelieving Jews is what is in view here? Obviously, you know how to structure arguments because look at all the arguments you laid out in the OP. Therefore, a one liner pertaining to what I just asked you doesn't cut it. Which means you need to submit an argument like you did in the OP, which has 1 Thessalonians 5:1-9 agreeing with what I quoted above from your OP.

David,

Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy,

To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

Grace and peace to you.

Was Paul, Silas, and Timothy lying to the people they wrote to? That is simply my question. All I know is that I believe faithfully that Yeshua did come. And that is the thing my friend. It's a faithfully belief that I do not believe Jesus whom was coming soon in that day in age, was a lie.

 

[MatthewG]

Remember when Yeshua stated that Elijah had come?

Matthew 17:
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

There would be an event which would circumvent and accumulate over a certain amount of time, in which the Day of Yahavah would come, and I believe this would be the wrath of God having come upon the nation of Israel. With Yeshua coming to save the bride which was those of the 12 nations of Israel whom were of faith and looking to Yeshua, and would include some Gentiles as well that may have been there during this destruction.

 

[MatthewG]

This stood out to me, concerning the Gospel of Luke. When Zechariah, was in the temple and an angel of Yahavah came to visit him. The messenger of Yahavah, tells Zechariah that him and Elizabeth will have a child and was to name him John. And the angel of Yahavah states that John would be a man with the spirit and power of Elijah.

 

[MatthewG]

So Elijah had come, that meant the wrath of God or the day of Yahavah would follow as well. The question begins to become well, when was the last days started? Founded in Acts 2 Peter proclaims what Joel had said is and then was in their time. Hebrews also stated “in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son.” And in Revelation the day of Yahavah is becoming nearer with John states “these things must soon take place.” You also have Jesus in his life before dying proclaiming “this generation shall not pass away until these things are fulfilled.” I believe he also speaks of “armies” showing up around Jerusalem. And then you secular writers who cover these things which many people believe is too taboo to look at.

 

[MatthewG]

Now whether people care or don’t care it’s fine. Because I expect that from people.

 

[MatthewG]

Before the start of the last days, here we see John state the ace of Yahavahs judgement has been laid at the root of the trees.

Saying oneself was part of Abraham’s blood didn’t matter, What would matter would be a change of heart which is produced by the spirit given by Yahavah.

This conjunctions with Yeshua, and his withering of the fig tree, the judgement upon Israel had been done because the people of the land rather than look to Yahavah they looked to other means, and despised the Word of Yahavah all together and in the end when last days had become true, it would continue to wax worse and worse.