When are God's Elect Justified?

[Arthur81]

1644 First London Confession of Faith (Particular Baptists)

"III. ... God had in Christ before the foundation of the world, according to the good pleasure of His will, foreordained some men to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise and glory of His grace (Jude 4,6; Rom. 9:11- 13; Prov. 16:4), leaving the rest in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of His justice."

"XXVIII. That those which have union with Christ, are justified from all their sins, past
(John 1:7; Heb 10:14; 9:26; 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 3:23), present, and to come, by the blood
of Christ; which justification we conceive to be a gracious and free (Acts 13:38, 39; Rom.
5:1; 3:25, 30) acquittance of a guilty, sinful creature, from all sin by God, through the
satisfaction that Christ has made by His death; and this applied in the manifestation of it
through faith." *Faith is the evidence of being justified from all sins at the resurrection

Jesus, "who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Having been declared righteous, then, by faith, we have peace toward God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom 4:25; 5:1 YLT) *Believers were justified at the cross, and learned of it through or by their faith, which faith gives us peace toward God

"But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us. Much more surely then, now that we have been justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more surely, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life." (Rom 5:8-10 NRSV) *We were justified and reconciled at the cross, not at our moment of belief

"...but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." (2Tim 1:10 NRSV) *The gospel brought the justification to light, brought the evidence of salvation to the mind of the elect by faith

"...and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain." (Rev 13:8 RSV) *One must have been seen as justified when written in the book of life

A Holy and Sovereign God was under no obligation to save anyone. He by right could save all, some or none, and sinful man cannot presume to judge his fairness. Considering the relationship of faith to justification, is it not fair to believe God saved elect babies dying in infancy, or saving the mentally incompetent, without their believing?

Do we know that there were NO elect among the native Americans who believed in the Great White Spirit and Creator before man and the Bible appeared? How do we know there are elect among babies dying in infancy? There are those who have the law in their hearts -

"When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all." (Rom 2:14-16 NRSV)

The prepositions from Greek to English are too difficult to be of certain or dogmatic assertions about time of justification. I cannot overturn the clear statements of God's word about justification solely by the assumed meaning of a preposition. Therefore I believe the Elect were justified at the Cross of Christ.

 

[Randy Kluth]

1644 First London Confession of Faith (Particular Baptists)

"III. ... God had in Christ before the foundation of the world, according to the good pleasure of His will, foreordained some men to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise and glory of His grace (Jude 4,6; Rom. 9:11- 13; Prov. 16:4), leaving the rest in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of His justice."

"XXVIII. That those which have union with Christ, are justified from all their sins, past
(John 1:7; Heb 10:14; 9:26; 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 3:23), present, and to come, by the blood
of Christ; which justification we conceive to be a gracious and free (Acts 13:38, 39; Rom.
5:1; 3:25, 30) acquittance of a guilty, sinful creature, from all sin by God, through the
satisfaction that Christ has made by His death; and this applied in the manifestation of it
through faith." *Faith is the evidence of being justified from all sins at the resurrection

Jesus, "who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Having been declared righteous, then, by faith, we have peace toward God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom 4:25; 5:1 YLT) *Believers were justified at the cross, and learned of it through or by their faith, which faith gives us peace toward God

"But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us. Much more surely then, now that we have been justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more surely, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life." (Rom 5:8-10 NRSV) *We were justified and reconciled at the cross, not at our moment of belief

"...but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." (2Tim 1:10 NRSV) *The gospel brought the justification to light, brought the evidence of salvation to the mind of the elect by faith

"...and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain." (Rev 13:8 RSV) *One must have been seen as justified when written in the book of life

A Holy and Sovereign God was under no obligation to save anyone. He by right could save all, some or none, and sinful man cannot presume to judge his fairness. Considering the relationship of faith to justification, is it not fair to believe God saved elect babies dying in infancy, or saving the mentally incompetent, without their believing?

Do we know that there were NO elect among the native Americans who believed in the Great White Spirit and Creator before man and the Bible appeared? How do we know there are elect among babies dying in infancy? There are those who have the law in their hearts -

"When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all." (Rom 2:14-16 NRSV)

The prepositions from Greek to English are too difficult to be of certain or dogmatic assertions about time of justification. I cannot overturn the clear statements of God's word about justification solely by the assumed meaning of a preposition. Therefore I believe the Elect were justified at the Cross of Christ.

It's a pretty good argument. Personally, I agree that Justification took place at the Cross, just as Christ's Atonement took place at the Cross. At the same time, that Atonement meant nothing if nobody would accept it. It is unthinkable that Christ died if everybody could've rejected it!

So I believe that contained in Christ's Atonement at the Cross is the assumption that the Elect, chosen before the world, would accept it. The necessity of Faith is the necessity of the cooperation of human will in Christ's Atonement, and nobody elected would reject his or her own livelihood or prosperity, nor deny their inherent spiritual calling.

On the other hand, those not elected by God, but produced by the free will of independent-minded angels and men, would naturally incline towards rejection of God's word, unless it conformed to their own interests. Therefore, mankind consists of those who do God's will only when it serves their own interests and those who do God's will because they want to be like God inherently.

Faith, therefore, is the necessary exhibition of Christ's Justification in the lives of his Elect, showing that God determined there to be willing recipients of His grace, despite their sins. The Atonement belonged to Christ, and the faith belongs to the Elect.

A measure of cooperation with God's word is still possible for those who lean in the direction of independence from God, or rebellion against God's word. Therefore, the Gospel is for all, and relies on free choice for the exhibition of what Christ's Justification means for all of mankind.

An alternative view would be that God has a determined number of His Elect who in real time offer all men Salvation, which by choosing independence from God discard their "election." I'm not sure that's what Paul argued, but it's an alternative for those concerned that freedom to choose for "election" is fixed.

But I tend to hold to your view, though in the way I've initially described it. Thanks.

 

[Bob Estey]

1644 First London Confession of Faith (Particular Baptists)

"III. ... God had in Christ before the foundation of the world, according to the good pleasure of His will, foreordained some men to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise and glory of His grace (Jude 4,6; Rom. 9:11- 13; Prov. 16:4), leaving the rest in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of His justice."

"XXVIII. That those which have union with Christ, are justified from all their sins, past
(John 1:7; Heb 10:14; 9:26; 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 3:23), present, and to come, by the blood
of Christ; which justification we conceive to be a gracious and free (Acts 13:38, 39; Rom.
5:1; 3:25, 30) acquittance of a guilty, sinful creature, from all sin by God, through the
satisfaction that Christ has made by His death; and this applied in the manifestation of it
through faith." *Faith is the evidence of being justified from all sins at the resurrection

Jesus, "who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Having been declared righteous, then, by faith, we have peace toward God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom 4:25; 5:1 YLT) *Believers were justified at the cross, and learned of it through or by their faith, which faith gives us peace toward God

"But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us. Much more surely then, now that we have been justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more surely, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life." (Rom 5:8-10 NRSV) *We were justified and reconciled at the cross, not at our moment of belief

"...but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." (2Tim 1:10 NRSV) *The gospel brought the justification to light, brought the evidence of salvation to the mind of the elect by faith

"...and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain." (Rev 13:8 RSV) *One must have been seen as justified when written in the book of life

A Holy and Sovereign God was under no obligation to save anyone. He by right could save all, some or none, and sinful man cannot presume to judge his fairness. Considering the relationship of faith to justification, is it not fair to believe God saved elect babies dying in infancy, or saving the mentally incompetent, without their believing?

Do we know that there were NO elect among the native Americans who believed in the Great White Spirit and Creator before man and the Bible appeared? How do we know there are elect among babies dying in infancy? There are those who have the law in their hearts -

"When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all." (Rom 2:14-16 NRSV)

The prepositions from Greek to English are too difficult to be of certain or dogmatic assertions about time of justification. I cannot overturn the clear statements of God's word about justification solely by the assumed meaning of a preposition. Therefore I believe the Elect were justified at the Cross of Christ.

To be God's elect, one must obey him. Doesn't that justify us?

 

[Arthur81]

To be God's elect, one must obey him. Doesn't that justify us?

That reverses the consistently represented order: God elects, man does not elect which would be if based on our obedience

 

[Bob Estey]

That reverses the consistently represented order: God elects, man does not elect which would be if based on our obedience

Why would the Lord elect the disobedient and not elect the obedient?

 

[Behold]

To be God's elect, one must obey him. Doesn't that justify us?

Obey Him how?

By trying to do what? @Bob Estey

Keep Moses law and commandments.. to be "justified"?

= No.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When a person recieved the gift in faith

 

[Bob Estey]

Obey Him how?

By trying to do what? @Bob Estey

Keep Moses law and commandments.. to be "justified"?

= No.

Any reason we can't obey the Ten Commandments?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Any reason we can't obey the Ten Commandments?

Have you? Better yet can you? And if you could have you not already failed?

 

[Behold]

Any reason we can't obey the Ten Commandments?

Its always good to allow the 10 Commandments to be a "lifestyle boundary"..
This is a good idea for a non-believer, to do..

However, if a Believer is trying to keep those 10, to be saved or to try to stay saved, then the Believer is not Trusting in Christ to get them into Heaven.

 

[Ritajanice]

The only way we can be justified by God , is removing our sin when we become Born Of His seed.

A Born Again just as Gods word says no longer sins...no one is saying they weren’t without sin...what God is saying is because we have been Born Of His seed we can no longer go on sinning...we have the Spirit of Christ indwelling our heart/ spirit?

 

[setst777]

1644 First London Confession of Faith (Particular Baptists)

"III. ... God had in Christ before the foundation of the world, according to the good pleasure of His will, foreordained some men to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise and glory of His grace (Jude 4,6; Rom. 9:11- 13; Prov. 16:4), leaving the rest in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of His justice."

"XXVIII. That those which have union with Christ, are justified from all their sins, past
(John 1:7; Heb 10:14; 9:26; 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 3:23), present, and to come, by the blood
of Christ; which justification we conceive to be a gracious and free (Acts 13:38, 39; Rom.
5:1; 3:25, 30) acquittance of a guilty, sinful creature, from all sin by God, through the
satisfaction that Christ has made by His death; and this applied in the manifestation of it
through faith." *Faith is the evidence of being justified from all sins at the resurrection

Jesus, "who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. Having been declared righteous, then, by faith, we have peace toward God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom 4:25; 5:1 YLT) *Believers were justified at the cross, and learned of it through or by their faith, which faith gives us peace toward God

"But God proves his love for us in that while we still were sinners Christ died for us. Much more surely then, now that we have been justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more surely, having been reconciled, will we be saved by his life." (Rom 5:8-10 NRSV) *We were justified and reconciled at the cross, not at our moment of belief

"...but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel." (2Tim 1:10 NRSV) *The gospel brought the justification to light, brought the evidence of salvation to the mind of the elect by faith

"...and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain." (Rev 13:8 RSV) *One must have been seen as justified when written in the book of life

A Holy and Sovereign God was under no obligation to save anyone. He by right could save all, some or none, and sinful man cannot presume to judge his fairness. Considering the relationship of faith to justification, is it not fair to believe God saved elect babies dying in infancy, or saving the mentally incompetent, without their believing?

Do we know that there were NO elect among the native Americans who believed in the Great White Spirit and Creator before man and the Bible appeared? How do we know there are elect among babies dying in infancy? There are those who have the law in their hearts -

"When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all." (Rom 2:14-16 NRSV)

The prepositions from Greek to English are too difficult to be of certain or dogmatic assertions about time of justification. I cannot overturn the clear statements of God's word about justification solely by the assumed meaning of a preposition. Therefore I believe the Elect were justified at the Cross of Christ.

Keep in mind that the Epistles were addressed and written to Believers for instruction, teaching, edification, encouragement, warning, rebuking, and admonishment. So, when you see inclusive pronouns, such as: "we," "our," "us," and "you," they are all referring back to the "believers," of whom the Epistle was written to.

Lord Jesus paid for the reconciliation (peace with God) by his shed blood on the cross for all people as an atonement (appeasement) for all sins - to be received by faith.

Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood — to be received by faith.

It is by faith, that *we* (sinners who believed) received that reconciliation (peace with God), being justified by faith.

Romans 5:1-2 (WEB) 1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith {{{we}}} have peace [reconciliation] with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have our access by the faith into this grace in which we now stand.

We are enemies of God by our sin, and we become friends of God (reconciled) by faith.

James 2:23 (WEB) 23 So the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness,” [Genesis 15:6] and he was called the friend of God [reconciliation].

Paul would not be begging us to be reconciled to God if our faith was God’s work.

2 Corinthians 5:20-21 (WEB) 20 We are therefore ambassadors on behalf of Christ, as though God were entreating by us: we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For him who knew no sin he made to be sin on our behalf; so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

The Scriptures are clear; in that, we are justified by faith because of the atoning work of Lord Jesus on the cross.

Romans 3:18 (WEB) We maintain therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

Galatians 2:16 (WEB) even we believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law, because no flesh will be justified by the works of the law.

Descriptive (example):
Romans 4:2-3 (WEB) 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not toward God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” [Genesis 15:6]

Prescriptive (application of example):
Romans 4:4 Now to him who works, the reward is not counted as grace, but as something owed. 5 But to him who doesn’t work, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.

Descriptive (example):
Romans 4:13 (WEB) 13 For the promise to Abraham and to his offspring that he should be heir of the world wasn’t through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Prescriptive (application of example):
Romans 4:16 (WEB) 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace, to the end that the promise may be sure to all the offspring

Paul taught believers that they are to continue in the faith to remain reconciled to God.

Colossians 1:21 You [Believers], being in past times alienated and enemies in your mind in your evil deeds, 22 yet now he has reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and without defect and blameless before him, 23 if it is so that you [Believers] continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the Gospel which you heard, which is being proclaimed in all creation under heaven, of which I, Paul, was made a servant.

 

[setst777]

Why would the Lord elect the disobedient and not elect the obedient?

Brother Bob, you are understanding correctly, but you worded it in way that makes it seems as those God elects to save us by our obedience. The point that needs to be made here is that from a true Gospel Faith in Lord Jesus we definitely have pledged obedience to Lord Jesus - to turn from sin, and now commit to follow Lord Jesus.

Now you need to confirm what you already know to be true by the Scriptures, which is what I will do now.

We are saved by God through our faith in Lord Jesus because of Christ's redeeming shed blood on the cross.

Romans 3:25 (WEB) 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement through the shedding of his blood – to be received by faith.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

1 Corinthians 1:21 (WEB) 21 For seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom didn’t know God, it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save those who believe.

We pass out of spiritual death into spiritual life by our faith.

John 5:24 (EWEB) Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. [Regeneration is by faith]

What is Faith? How is Faith defined?

"The faith" by which God elects to save us is represented in water Baptism (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:1-8; Colossians 3:1-17).

This Gospel Faith, therefore, always includes repentance (Acts 20:20-21; 2 Corinthians 7:10; Luke 24:44-47; Acts 17:30-31), which is change of mind and heart from serving sin to following Lord Jesus into a sanctified life of righteousness and love. This is the Faith by which the works of God are accomplished in us, and by which God saves us.

1 Thessalonians 4:1-8 (WEB) Finally then, brothers, we beg and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God, that you abound more and more. 2 For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God: your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality, 4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in sanctification and honor, 5 not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who don’t know God, 6 that no one should take advantage of and wrong a brother or sister in this matter; because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as also we forewarned you and testified. 7 For God called us not for uncleanness, but in sanctification. 8 Therefore he who rejects this doesn’t reject man, but God, who has also given his Holy Spirit to you.

Galatians 5:24-25 (NIV) 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

Exactly what is the timing of Justification? When is one for whom Christ died Justified before God? John Gill gives reasons why he believes that the saint is Justified before God, from everlasting. I concur with his sentiment and here's why, and of course in pursuit it is reasonably concluded why Justification before God is before Faith:

1. Faith is not the cause, but the fruit and effect of justification. The reason why we are justified, is not because we have faith; but the reason why we have faith is because we are justified. Was there no such blessing of grace as justification of life provided for the sons of men, there would be no such thing as faith in Christ bestowed upon them, nor, indeed, would there be any use for it; and though it is provided, yet since not for all men, therefore all men have not faith. The reason why some do not believe, is, because they are not of Christ's sheep; (John 10:26) they never were chosen in him, nor justified by him, but are justly left in their sins, and so to condemnation; the reason why others do believe, is, because they are ordained to eternal life, (Acts 13:48) have a justifying righteousness provided for them, and are justified by it, and shall never enter into condemnation and, in asserting this, I say no more than what Dr. Twisse, the famous Prolocutor to the Assembly of Divines, has said before me. His words are these: "Before faith the righteousness of Christ was ours, being in the intention of God the Father, and Christ the Mediator, wrought out for us; and, because wrought out for us, therefore God, in his own time, gives us grace of every kind, and among others, faith itself, and, at last, the crown of heavenly glory." And, a little after, he says: "Before faith and repentance the righteousness of Christ is applied unto us; since it is on the account of that, that we obtain efficacious grace, to believe in Christ and repent." Likewise the judicious Pemble writes to the same effect, when, observing a two-fold justification, he says, the one is "In foro divino, in God's sight, and this goes before all our sanctification; for even whilst the elect are unconverted, they are then actually justified, and freed from all sin, by the death of Christ, and God so esteems of them as free, and, having accepted of that satisfaction, is actually reconciled to them. By this justification, we are freed from the guilt of our sins; and because that is done away, God, in due time, proceeds to give us the grace of sanctification, to free from sin's corruption still inherent in our persons." The other is, "In foro conscientiae, in their own sense, which is but the revelation and certain declaration of God's former secret act of accepting Christ's righteousness to our justification." And Maccovius says, "That because that God justifies us, therefore, he gives us faith, and other spiritual gifts." Now, if justification is the cause, and faith the effect; then, as every cause is before its effect, and every effect follows its own cause, justification must be before faith, and faith must follow justification.

 

[Bob Estey]

Brother Bob, you are understanding correctly, but you worded it in way that makes it seems as those God elects to save us by our obedience. The point that needs to be made here is that from a true Gospel Faith in Lord Jesus we definitely have pledged obedience to Lord Jesus - to turn from sin, and now commit to follow Lord Jesus.

Now you need to confirm what you already know to be true by the Scriptures, which is what I will do now.

We are saved by God through our faith in Lord Jesus because of Christ's redeeming shed blood on the cross.

Romans 3:25 (WEB) 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement through the shedding of his blood – to be received by faith.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

1 Corinthians 1:21 (WEB) 21 For seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom didn’t know God, it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save those who believe.

We pass out of spiritual death into spiritual life by our faith.

John 5:24 (EWEB) Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. [Regeneration is by faith]

What is Faith? How is Faith defined?

"The faith" by which God elects to save us is represented in water Baptism (Matthew 28:19-20; Romans 6:1-8; Colossians 3:1-17).

This Gospel Faith, therefore, always includes repentance (Acts 20:20-21; 2 Corinthians 7:10; Luke 24:44-47; Acts 17:30-31), which is change of mind and heart from serving sin to following Lord Jesus into a sanctified life of righteousness and love. This is the Faith by which the works of God are accomplished in us, and by which God saves us.

1 Thessalonians 4:1-8 (WEB) Finally then, brothers, we beg and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God, that you abound more and more. 2 For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God: your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality, 4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in sanctification and honor, 5 not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who don’t know God, 6 that no one should take advantage of and wrong a brother or sister in this matter; because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as also we forewarned you and testified. 7 For God called us not for uncleanness, but in sanctification. 8 Therefore he who rejects this doesn’t reject man, but God, who has also given his Holy Spirit to you.

Galatians 5:24-25 (NIV) 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.

Jesus shows us the path. It's up to us to follow that path.

 

[Taken]

When are God's Elect Justified?

In Brief…

First….The Offering for Justification.
Second…The Acceptance of the Offering.
Third…The Bodily Death.
Forth…The Judgement…Justified.
Fifth…The Justified…Born Again; “quickened”

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Behold]

Jesus shows us the path. It's up to us to follow that path.

And that path is not law keeping and obsession on commandments.
Nor is it water baptism or Calvinism.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Its always good to allow the 10 Commandments to be a "lifestyle boundary"..
This is a good idea for a non-believer, to do..

However, if a Believer is trying to keep those 10, to be saved or to try to stay saved, then the Believer is not Trusting in Christ to get them into Heaven.

Trying to keep the 10 commandments?

Do you try to not steal,murder,commit adultery, worship other gods, disrespect your parents,bear false witness, etc...?

 

[BlessedPeace]

To be God's elect, one must obey him. Doesn't that justify us?

We have to obey to stay saved?

 

[Bob Estey]

And that path is not law keeping and obsession on commandments.
Nor is it water baptism or Calvinism.

If you sin, you won't have peace of mind.