What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

[covenantee]

Jeremiah 31:31-36​

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

So you are saying that all Jews have the law in their hearts and all of Israel is now His people.
So you are saying that all Jews no longer need to be taught for all know Him.

Matthew 26
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

So you are saying that Jesus was only joking when He gave His Jewish disciples His New Testament/Covenant.

 

[covenantee]

I believe Peter.

You believe yourself. Peter's not interested.

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

He was writing to Jewish believers who were scattered due to the persecutions going on in Israel(remember Peter was the Apostle to the Jews)

He was writing to Christian Israelites scattered throughout the referenced regions. Israelites were comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22

Remember that God is not a racist, and cannot be contorted into one.

The church is not a priesthood and is not called so anywhere in the NT (we will exempt this passage cuz it is contest)

But belieivng Israel was called a priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, a chosen people etc. Remember context matters.

Revelation 1
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

You should read your NT more thoroughly. The priesthood of all true believers in Christ (both Jews and Gentiles) is a foundational fundamental Christian doctrine.

Is that why you're unaware of it?

 

[covenantee]

WOW! talk about straining at gnats to swallow a camel. Nation means people and Paul said all Israel ALL Israel will be saved because of their election.

Gnats and camels. Christ ridicules your antichrist Jews.

Paul has previously identified "all Israel" and "of Israel" for those willing to understand the difference.

You can read about it.

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

 

[covenantee]

And yes only a remnant, but in the tribulation 2/3 of Israel will be killed and the 1/3 (the remnant) will be saved!

"2/3 of Israel will be killed". That's about as antisemitic as it gets.

Is that why dispens who believe it are afraid to preach about it?

For what reason will the 2/3 be killed, and for what reason will the 1/3 be saved?

 

[Earburner]

I know both of these truths well!

I understand full well that when Jesus returns, He will not be the suffering Savior, but the Conquering King!.

And this happens prior to the 1000 year kingdom.

Ok, Great!!
Now hang on to what you just did say, of what you agree with me on.

Q. Since Jesus will no longer be the sin bearer, after His Glorious and Immortal return from heaven, as King of kings, HOW shall any mortal person be "saved" in Christ, who would be living during a supposed future 1000 years on this old earth?

A. According to Pre-mil thinking, can you not see that all of such will have lived their mortal lives in VAIN?? All would have no hope of ever being able to have their sins forgiven, or the GIFT of the Holy Spirit, which in Him, is the GIFT of Eternal Life. 1 John 5:11-13.

 

[ewq1938]

Q. Since Jesus will no longer be the sin bearer, after His Glorious and Immortal return from heaven, as King of kings

Please show scripture that proves this claim.

 

[Earburner]

Please show scripture that proves this claim.

Please see my post #35 in this thread of our current discussion.

What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

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[Ronald Nolette]

Ok, Great!!
Now hang on to what you just did say, of what you agree with me on.

Q. Since Jesus will no longer be the sin bearer, after His Glorious and Immortal return from heaven, as King of kings, HOW shall any mortal person be "saved" in Christ, who would be living during a supposed future 1000 years on this old earth?

A. According to Pre-mil thinking, can you not see that all of such will have lived their mortal lives in VAIN?? All would have no hope of ever being able to have their sins forgiven, or the GIFT of the Holy Spirit, which in Him, is the GIFT of Eternal Life. 1 John 5:11-13.

They will be saved the same they are now! by placing their trust in Messiah. And as Isaiah says they will have till their 100th birthday to do so.

It is you and not Scripture that says they have no hope. First teh Millennial kingdom will be far different than life on earth now!

Satan will be abyssed, which will reduce temptation to sin massively. Jesus will rule with a rod of iron as it is written.

Remember these are the offspring of the saved during th etribulation who enter the kingdom and repopulate the earth as is written.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Matthew 26
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

So you are saying that Jesus was only joking when He gave His Jewish disciples His New Testament/Covenant.

So show when these declared provisions of the covenant were completed and fulfilled.

I fully accept the fac t that Jesus' blood is the price paid to purchase and guarantee the covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31-35

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

this is the entire New Covenant god declared to the nation of Israel. so please show when these portions of the New Covenant to Israel were completed as written.

 

[Davidpt]

so please show when these portions of the New Covenant to Israel were completed as written.

Especially this part---for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Keeping in mind this below has to occur first which obviously means God is still remembering sins at this point.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Then there is this as well. I'm not saying they are the same event, though. Both examples are showing that God is still remembering sins until these 2 examples are fulfilled first.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

e was writing to Christian Israelites scattered throughout the referenced regions. Israelites were comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22

Remember that God is not a racist, and cannot be contorted into one.

Of course He is not racist. but one cannot take a Gentile and call them an Israelite. The gentiles who became Jews were always called proselytes and not Jews.

Also god made a covenant with one nation and one nation only- Israel. And He made eternal unconditional
promises as well as conditional promises

And it was written to the Jewish believing congregations. they may have had gentile believers attached to them but we have no evidence one way or another. Messianic Jews hold to many diofferent beliefs and practices than Gentile believers, though we are one ody.
They observe the Sabbath as required, they circumcise as required for Jews and not Gentiles.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

Too bad you took this out of context and left out a very important verse:
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

this verse explains the children of promise!!!!!

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

Wow talk about twisting Scripture!

Gentiles who are saved are saved in the Body of Christ which is made up of Jew and Gentile in one body! Ephesians. Gentiles being saved do not make us part of Israel- but part of the body!

But as to who is the all Israel Paul is writing about?

Zechariah 13:8-9

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Ezekiel 20:33-38

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

At then end of the tribulation, the veil will be removed from Israel

2 Corinthians 3:13-16

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13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

and that "ALL ISRAEL" (the 1/3 surviving the tribulation) will be saved! Paul made it explkicitly and abundantly clear that He was speaking about Jews and Gentiles as separate people and not all becoming Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

"2/3 of Israel will be killed". That's about as antisemitic as it gets.

Is that why dispens who believe it are afraid to preach about it?

For what reason will the 2/3 be killed, and for what reason will the 1/3 be saved?

Zechariah 13:8-9

King James Version

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

If you think this is antisemitic- you rproblem is with god and not with me!

I cannot speak for other dispensational biblical teachers and preachers, but I teach this when I teach on this subject.

 

[covenantee]

Zechariah 13:8-9​

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

If you think this is antisemitic- you rproblem is with god and not with me!

I cannot speak for other dispensational biblical teachers and preachers, but I teach this when I teach on this subject.

It has nothing to do with semitism, and everything to do with faith and obedience.

For what reason will the 2/3 be killed, and for what reason will the 1/3 be saved?

 

[covenantee]

Of course He is not racist. but one cannot take a Gentile and call them an Israelite. The gentiles who became Jews were always called proselytes and not Jews.

If you'd taken the time to read the Scriptures I included, you'd see that the "strangers" who were "not of thy (i.e. Abraham's) seed" had every Covenant right, privilege, and responsibility that ethnic descendants of Abraham had. God demanded and commanded such.

Don't forget that God was not and is not a racist, nor can He be contorted into one.

Also god made a covenant with one nation and one nation only- Israel. And He made eternal unconditional
promises as well as conditional promises

He made a covenant with those faithful and obedient to Him within Israel. No others.

Those who rebelled in unfaithfulness and disobedience, He slew. Numbers 25:9

Don't forget that God was not and is not a racist, nor can He be contorted into one.

Too bad you took this out of context and left out a very important verse:
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

this verse explains the children of promise!!!!!

So does this verse, which interprets Romans 9:9:

Galatians 4
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Paul is writing to the Galatian Christian Church, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles.

Too bad you missed it.

Don't forget that God was not and is not a racist, nor can He be contorted into one.

Wow talk about twisting Scripture!

Gentiles who are saved are saved in the Body of Christ which is made up of Jew and Gentile in one body! Ephesians. Gentiles being saved do not make us part of Israel- but part of the body!

But as to who is the all Israel Paul is writing about?

"All Israel" occurs exactly twice in the book of Romans. Romans 9:6-8 precedes and interprets Romans 9:27.

Be assured that Paul's understanding of his use of the expression "all Israel" is immeasurably greater than yours.

Don't forget that God was not and is not a racist, nor can He be contorted into one.

and that "ALL ISRAEL" (the 1/3 surviving the tribulation) will be saved! Paul made it explkicitly and abundantly clear that He was speaking about Jews and Gentiles as separate people and not all becoming Israel.

Paul made it explicitly and abundantly clear that "all Israel" encompasses the faithful obedient spiritual believing elect beloved remnant from Israel".

It has nothing to do with any "1/3 surviving the tribulation".

Don't forget that God was not and is not a racist, nor can He be contorted into one.

 

[covenantee]

So show when these declared provisions of the covenant were completed and fulfilled.

Matthew 26
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

They were perfectly completed and fulfilled at Calvary.

You are in denial of the Blood of Christ.

When you deny Christ's New Testament/Covenant, then you deny Christ's Blood, because His Blood is the Blood of His New Testament/Covenant.

So show how Christ gave His disciples an uncompleted unfulfilled bloodless New Testament/Covenant which did not remit their sins.

That's not the Christ that they served.

That's not the Christ that I serve.

Sorry about you.

 

[Earburner]

They will be saved the same they are now! by placing their trust in Messiah. And as Isaiah says they will have till their 100th birthday to do so.

It is you and not Scripture that says they have no hope. First teh Millennial kingdom will be far different than life on earth now!

Satan will be abyssed, which will reduce temptation to sin massively. Jesus will rule with a rod of iron as it is written.

Remember these are the offspring of the saved during th etribulation who enter the kingdom and repopulate the earth as is written.

Jesus, right now is still the sin bearer, but when He SUDDENLY returns in the Immortal fulness of His Glory, He will be bearing no one's sin, who had not already REPENTED towards God for the forgiveness of sins.
Repentance in THAT Day will be NO MORE, no matter how much faith(?) they might have AFTER THEY LITERALLY SEE HIM!!
(Remember Esau, who rejected his birthright. His repentance was not acceptable, though he sought it with tears-...too late!)
The only reward for them will be VENGEANCE. KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-9.

BUT FOR US, WHO WERE MADE READY BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT before His sudden return, "we shall be changed in a twinkling of an eye"
KJV 2 Thes. 1:10-11; 1 Cor. 15:50-52

Your belief system needs to get straightened out with the NT. biblical program!!

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus, right now is still the sin bearer, but when He SUDDENLY returns in the Immortal fulness of His Glory, He will be bearing no one's sin, who had not already REPENTED towards God for the forgiveness of sins.

I don't see evidence of that in fact in the eternity chapters of Rev, Jesus is referred to as the Lamb, which was the symbolic Lamb sacrificed for sin. It would appear that he never gives up the sin bearing title.

Rev_21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
Rev_21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev_21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev_21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev_21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev_22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev_22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Especially this part---for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Keeping in mind this below has to occur first which obviously means God is still remembering sins at this point.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Then there is this as well. I'm not saying they are the same event, though. Both examples are showing that God is still remembering sins until these 2 examples are fulfilled first.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Well the 2 cor. verse is the Bema judgment for believers. That is where our works are judged to see if they were done in His will or not. the obedient works remain while the "good works" that were not done according to His will, will be burned. This is not a judgment for sin, but for rewards.

REv. 20 is the judgment for the lost.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus, right now is still the sin bearer, but when He SUDDENLY returns in the Immortal fulness of His Glory, He will be bearing no one's sin, who had not already REPENTED towards God for the forgiveness of sins.
Repentance in THAT Day will be NO MORE, no matter how much faith(?) they might have AFTER THEY LITERALLY SEE HIM!!
(Remember Esau, who rejected his birthright. His repentance was not acceptable, though he sought it with tears-...too late!)
The only reward for them will be VENGEANCE. KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-9.

BUT FOR US, WHO WERE MADE READY BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT before His sudden return, "we shall be changed in a twinkling of an eye"
KJV 2 Thes. 1:10-11; 1 Cor. 15:50-52

Your belief system needs to get straightened out with the NT. biblical program!!

He is no longer the sin bearer. There is nothing that says that After His death and resurrection that He is still bearing the sins of anyone. He died once for sin and paid the full price while on the cross!

To say He is still bearing sin is to say that He is still paying for sin and that is not biblical.

He paid once for all time.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It has nothing to do with semitism, and everything to do with faith and obedience.

For what reason will the 2/3 be killed, and for what reason will the 1/3 be saved?

WEll as God did not say, I cannot say either. but it is written and it shall come to pass! Just like Ez. 20:

Ezekiel 20:33-38

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
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this is for the Israeli people and not some generic promise.