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What will happen to Christians who reject the Sabbath?
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And remember, I do hold to the Sabbath, but not just 1 day, every day, a rest in Christ. The body, not the shadow.
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BarneyFife
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I can't keep track of whether folks reject it, replace it with Sunday, or with a spiritualized everyday Sabbath. But it was never a shadow, like the feast sabbaths, as specified in Leviticus 23:38.
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No....
What we are trying to politely state is that YOU, despite all your demagoguery, are violating the essence of the Sabbath Commandment.
Yes, you are NOT REMEMBERING OR KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY.
There was/Is only ONE SABBATH Day. It has come and gone.
This Commandment in the Decalogue is all about the changing of the Covenants from Old to New.
And you refuse to make the New Covenant holy by remembering and paying too much homage to the old one. You cannot achieve heaven by your own righteousness. It's not ever going to happen even if you are always in Church from sundown Friday until Sunup Sunday....because frankly this Sabbath Commandment explains perfectly that God don't care about YOUR religiosity in the slightest and using HIS Law to put onerous burdens on everyone else is misusing God's name (an even worse thing) and making a day of the week an idol (another Commandment broken) and basically worshipping yourself (the ultimate sin)
The ONE Sabbath Day was when Jesus was crucified....
That's the whole of it. You refuse to accept this just like the Pharisees refused to accept it. And you will join them in eternity if you don't change your ways.
BarneyFife
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Keep setting up the straw men; maybe someone will bother to knock a few down. It's really an awful bore.
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Ziggy
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from what labour will you be resting?
What work will you be doing that hasn't already been done?
In the New Jerusalem will we only worship the Lord on one day?
What will we be doing when there is no more time to do anything other than praise and worship the Lord and love one another?
In the New Jerusalem why will rest from works be needed?
If God supplied manna in the wilderness for 40 years, won't he supply manna in New Jerusalem?
And if God supplies the manna, then where will tilling the field be? If God has sown all the green things that man is meant to eat, then where will the oxen plow? If God has planted the trees and the leaves are for healing, what professions will we have?
What is the reason for the Sabbath? To give man rest from his works as God rested from his works.
And if God is finished and everything is finished then what will we be working for?
Do you believe the Sabbath in New Jerusalem will be a specific time period like 24 hours or a continuous span of a thousand years?
Or perhaps for infinity?
Will there be time?
Just some thoughts.
Hugs
BarneyFife
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Hi, Zig!
That's an awful lot of questions just to suggest that in Heaven we'll all be lazy monastics. If that's the way it's going to be I don't want to go.
Isaiah 65:22 says there will be work and Isaiah 66:23 says there will be time, by the way.
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Ziggy
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How do you imagine it to be?Hi, Zig!
That's an awful lot of questions just to suggest that in Heaven we'll all be lazy monastics. If that's the way it's going to be I don't want to go.
Isaiah 65:22 says there will be work and Isaiah 66:23 says there will be time, by the way.
:)
What would an average day in New Jerusalem look like?
And what kind of tasks do you think we might be given?
Fascinating to think about.
Hugs Barney
To the OP, nothing, in fact if a Non-Roman Gentile who hasn't converted to Judaism in ancient Jerusalem tried to observe the Sabbath would be deemed in violation the Noahide Law and risked a death sentence for violating the Commandments. As fundamental to the Bible the covenants are, few today know what the covenants entailed. There is no sin where there is no law, If Adam sinned, what law did he have? What “sins” break the covenant are dependent on what “law” of a covenant one is under. That is to say “sin” is not a set of universal morals that breaks every covenant but are the specific conditions of a specific covenant. For example, it is a sin for a Israelite under the Mosaic Covenant to break the Sabbath or eat unclean animals, in contrast to others, the Gentiles, that were not under the Law of Moses, rather are under the covenant of their forefather Noah, the Noahide Covenant, within which Gentile nations are not commanded to cease working on any day and all animals, including unclean ones, were “meat” (Genesis 8:22; 9:3). A Higher Law of Jesus was issued in Matthews the Sermon on the Mount which supersedes the Law of Moses, which ignores the Sabbath, and Jesus goes out of his way to break the Sabbath
Ziggy
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He disobeyed the voice of the Lord.
Disobedience was his sin.
My sheep hear my voice.
The law is the word of God. Not what men pen on paper or chisel in stone.
But mankind has a disobedient nature and the ten commandments were written with the finger of God for the deaf and blind.
Possibly the first message written in braille from God to those who cannot see.
But the voice of the Lord is more powerful than that which is written in stone.
Because the voice of the Lord speaks to the heart.
Adam didn't listen.
I do believe the ten commandments are universal. God made Israel carry them into every country they encountered to send his message to a deaf and blind world. I do believe the written laws that Moses penned were given to a specific group of people to show the difference between God's people and the world. A peculiar nation.
Deu 4:5
Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
Deu 4:6
Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
1Co 4:9
For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.
It seems that at the end of every age there is a transitioning of the torch to carry light to a dying world.
God gave Moses laws for a peculiar nation. Jesus gave us his Spirit to spread across the world.
God's laws do not change but they are assigned to certain groups for specific purpose.
To be a spectacle, something called out that is different from the ways of the world.
Regardless who follows the written law or the Holy Spirit not written with pen and ink, either way they are made a spectacle to the world.
We are not of the world. Whether we be Jew or Gentile. We are seperate, we are sanctified and set apart for God's purpose.
And all the world looks at Jews and Christians alike as if we are the enemies. And to the world we are their enemies and yet we are told to love them and to forgive them and to convert them and bring them into the fold.
Our purpose in some ways I believe, is to be a contention, to cause division. In some ways eventually there are those who seeing injustice and coming to the understanding that the ways of the world are unfair and hypocritical, will look upon those they have unjustly persecuted, and have their conscience awakened to what is good and right versus wrong and evil.
We are the standard by which God has created mankind in his image and likeness. His love, his compassion, his righteousness, his justice.
And when the world sees God's standards through us, it cause great anxiety in the world because it exposes their sin.
We are the light in a dark place. Whether it be through Moses or through Jesus or through the Apostles, we are that torch today, we are that peculiar people, we are that spectacle, that God has given to the world as a light to walk by.
That's why they hate us.
Jhn 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Through Noah's obedience the world was condemned, because they would not listen to God and would not repent.
If there had been no Noah, there would have been no flood and evil would of reigned upon the earth.
Noah believed God. Noah heard God. God didn't write to Noah that a flood was coming. He spoke it to his heart.
And Noah obeyed. He was made a spectacle to the world, but the world would not listen.
Today we are Noah. We are the spectacle both Jew and Gentile crying out to an evil world.. Believe God!
Will they listen? Some do, some don't. Those that do have a place on the ark both clean and unclean.
Because what God has made clean no man can make unclean.
Mat 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
We are the last of this generation to carry that torch. Another will rise after us. But a cleansing must occur, as in the days of Noe.
Hugs
But God doesnt ask that..
Leviticus 23:3
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.
Since when is the 7th day the shadow? I read in scripture:
Pro_6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
As far as I read, Jesus keeps the 7th day, being the Lord of the Sabbath, and began the gospel on the very day (Luk. 4:1,16-21). To say that one is in Christ, means to be in Him who is without sin (Heb. 4:15), and sin is the transgresion of the Law (1 Jhn. 3:4).
Are you perhaps referring to the mistken notion that Col. 2 refers to God's commandment (Exo. 20:8-11), rather than what it actually says, "ordinances" (Eph. 2:15; Col. 2:16; Heb. 9-10; Eze. 45:17)? - Colossians 2 vs 14-16 Nutshell Image : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Or are you perhaps referring to the mistaken notion that 'Jesus is the sabbath', even there is no Bible verse which says such a thing?
Matthew 11:28 Is Jesus The Sabbath Or Is The Sabbath The Rest Of God The 7th Day Image And Powerpoint Slide : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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The sabbath of the Lord is always in scripture, the 7th day, not a person.
"What will happen to Christians who reject the Sabbath?"
They will avoid the CURSE of the Law!
Galatians 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse;
They will avoid the CURSE of the Law!
Galatians 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse;
Well, to be honest, He included that in a covenant of blessing for obedience that He made with the nation of Isreal at Mt. Horeb. He specifically did not include other nations in that covenant.
The new covenant is in fact a different covenant, and in this covenant, the rest is a rest from our works . . . completely.
Much love!
God's Word gives them in the Ten Commandments, and transgression of them is called sin, its that simple.
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