What reason do people say you have to have faith in the bible?

[Wrangler]

I cant understand how so many Christians do not read their Bibles and bicker about oh the translators messed up the bible so you cant trust it anymore??

I never heard that one before. As a technical person, I gravitate toward explicit communication. While a technical drawing is meant to be interpretted one way, I realize artistry invites different interpretations. Poets love to play on words and deliberately write double meanings.

For instance, the audacity of Adam to name the woman "Eve" after the curse is often not recognized for the profound statement of faith it is. Believing their Creator was not going to kill them outright there and then he named the women, the mother of all, or a word that sounds like that in the language of the time.

Messiah is a Hebrew word that translates into Greek as Christ, which translates into English as Anointed.

So, certainly something is lost in translation with different cultures and traditions. However, I think a fair reading of the Bible in any translation informs us of our Creator and his plans for us through a man who became his son, who he made Lord and Anointed over us all, whereby we, who have faith, become sons and daughter of God with a priceless inheritance. The story of the Bible can be summed up in 2 words, "Choose Life" (not the other tree).

A moment of humility in contemplating a timeless God reaching out to humanity over a dozen centuries and dozens of prophets compiled in a book we call the Bible. The notion that religion is man's attempt to reach God but Jesus is God's attempt to reach us is too gracious and loving for us to accept many times.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I cant understand how so many Christians do not read their Bibles and bicker about oh the translators messed up the bible so you cant trust it anymore?? When it is clearly still very able to touch you with what it has and the Lord is there watching and the Holy Spirit will come when you start reading His word.

If you dont have faith to believe in the Bible, then what is it about God that you do believe? Those Christians are going to mighty embarassed on the last day when Jesus says, so...did you read my Book?

Remember that verse that says dont worry about what you will say, the Holy Spirit will give you what to say? (Something like that). do you think if you never read the bible that the Holy Spirit will be able to bring to your rememberance what to say...when you never even read it cover to cover before...!! We have to do our part. We have a very minor role to play which is highly essentiall to Gods plan!

God is the power but we are the data entry clerk. You have to read it cover to cover at least once so it goes into your brain and then the Holy Spirit can bring it to your rememberance! Our other major/minor role to play is dont upon our knees in prayer.

amen and amen.

 

[MatthewG]

thats the answer

if they do not agree with me, just ignore me.

lol.. whatever my friend.

It's the constant persistence I dont care you disagree with me. This isn't a debate.

I say you don't have to have faith in your bible.
You say you need to have faith your bible.


Some big argument to have.
Okay whatever.

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

I trust what the bible states here when the writer of Hebrews wrote to those people then.

 

[Wrangler]

Those Christians are going to mighty embarassed on the last day when Jesus says, so...did you read my Book?

Hmmm. I don't know. My grandmothers were devout Catholic and went to church weekly for a combined 150 years. Theologians, they weren't. They never read a book in their lives. Yet, their lives influenced me. Not their academic knowledge, quoting chapter and verse. How they lived and loved and encouraged me to pursue my faith. Their legacy endures through me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's the constant persistence I dont care you disagree with me. This isn't a debate.

everything is technically a debate my friend

People make a claim or say something they believe.

others agree or disagree and them explain why or why not they agree or disagree.

that in itself is a debate.

anything else is just a person pushing his view. and not looking for anyone who disagree with them,,

I say you don't have to have faith in your bible.
You say you need to have faith your bible.

Hence, a debate

Some big argument to have.
Okay whatever.

Its not an argument,m Unless you make it one.

It is two ideas. each person explaining why they believe the way they do.

and it continues to be a discussion until one gets sick of it, then starts to accuse the other person of usually doing something wrong.

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

I trust what the bible states here when the writer of Hebrews wrote to those people then.

I trust it to.

But if some person just comes and tells you this, and says God said it. would you blindly just accept what they say as truth,

or would you go to the word of God and test what they said, to make sure God really said this?

that seems to be the discussion we are having (at least what I am discussing)

 

[MatthewG]

Hmmm. I don't know. My grandmothers were devout Catholic and went to church weekly for a combined 150 years. Theologians, they weren't. They never read a book in their lives. Yet, their lives influenced me. Not their academic knowledge, quoting chapter and verse. How they lived and loved and encouraged me to pursue my faith. Their legacy endures through me.

That's what my mom went through, Catholic school. She said sometimes them nuns were mean lol, come by and wack a ruler on your hand. She is 64 now, and she told me one day she believed in the death, burial and resurrection and that was all it took for me to be at peace, @Wrangler.

 

[MatthewG]

everything is technically a debate my friend

People make a claim or say something they believe.

others agree or disagree and them explain why or why not they agree or disagree.

that in itself is a debate.

anything else is just a person pushing his view. and not looking for anyone who disagree with them,,

Hence, a debate

Its not an argument,m Unless you make it one.

It is two ideas. each person explaining why they believe the way they do.

and it continues to be a discussion until one gets sick of it, then starts to accuse the other person of usually doing something wrong.

I trust it to.

But if some person just comes and tells you this, and says God said it. would you blindly just accept what they say as truth,

or would you go to the word of God and test what they said, to make sure God really said this?

that seems to be the discussion we are having (at least what I am discussing)

Okay, what is your point, be transparent... I believe that people should go and check the bible, and see if what they are saying is true, but look at me.

A person who believe that Jesus Christ has come back...

IS THAT TRUE?!?!!?!?!?!?!?



Well, in the contextual perception of what is written, it has to be, otherwise the apostles and Jesus are all liars, and the bible can't be trusted.

Thats my perspective. I don't have to back away or be ashamed of that or be looked down upon, or be claimed as a devil child, but many people are gonna say and look and be like WHAT IS THIS DUDE talking about


ya know?

WEll so be it.

 

[Wrangler]

Best guess @Wrangler, all we have is evidence(s). I can't prove Yahavah/Yahweh, even exists.

That's why I ask what proof will you accept. At some point, the evidence supports the conclusion. Atheists seek to ignore the evidence by inventing an unreasonable standard of proof.

Some incorrectly say there are 4 Gospels. There is only one Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Gospels are testimonies, as are the testimonies of untold billions over the millenia. We are the proof. I am the proof. I am a first hand account witness. Ever hear of Appeal to Ignorance? It is a fallacy of argumentation where the absence of evidence is claimed to constitute proof for the opposing argument.

Atheist deny any of this is proof. The problem is not with the mountains of evidence; it's with their standard of proof. They don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. If God came down and said I am God, they would not believe it. We know this because it has already happened.

 

[MatthewG]

That's why I ask what proof will you accept. At some point, the evidence supports the conclusion. Atheists seek to ignore the evidence by inventing an unreasonable standard of proof.

Some incorrectly say there are 4 Gospels. There is only one Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Gospels are testimonies, as are the testimonies of untold billions over the millenia. We are the proof. I am the proof. I am a first hand account witness. Ever hear of Appeal to Ignorance? It is a fallacy of argumentation where the absence of evidence is claimed to constitute proof for the opposing argument.

Atheist deny any of this is proof. The problem is not with the mountains of evidence; it's with their standard of proof. They don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. If God came down and said I am God, they would not believe it. We know this because it has already happened.

All I have evidence(s).

No proof.

I'll accept what comes in and after death, while not knowing 100%. Faithfully dying.

That is why the building up of ones faith is vitally important.

 

[Wrangler]

I'll accept what comes in and after death, while not knowing 100%. Faithfully dying.

You're a good man, Charlie Brown.

 

[MatthewG]

You're a good man, Charlie Brown.

There is only one good that is Yahavah, … faith building is important. Some people are weak in faith, some people can even have their faith shaken. In Hebrews it talks about how things are shaken to the ground but the things which are unshakable remain.

Unshakable things are all thing things which are involving faith towards Yahavah, and I would believe are the unshakable kingdom of heaven, and the destination of faithful and faithless.

I remember seeing this taught, but I think that’s where I need to get to again teaching and jus trusting Yahavah in faithful, despite any results going on currently cause I’m really upset, however all I can do is be patient and wait.

Maybe I’ll get back into teaching, cause while I can explain my feelings they don’t mean as much as action and doing, faith in action. Very glad to have gotten to read about Jesus, he was literally the only one I knew who can heal and still is the healer, of broken hearts, bruv.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Okay, what is your point, be transparent... I believe that people should go and check the bible, and see if what they are saying is true, but look at me.

A person who believe that Jesus Christ has come back...

IS THAT TRUE?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

No, And you can look in scripture to prove this is not true. but again, What point are you trying to make?

Well, in the contextual perception of what is written, it has to be, otherwise the apostles and Jesus are all liars, and the bible can't be trusted.

agree..

Thats my perspective. I don't have to back away or be ashamed of that or be looked down upon, or be claimed as a devil child, but many people are gonna say and look and be like WHAT IS THIS DUDE talking about

agree. we should have a moral discussion. not attack the other person because we disagree.

ya know?

WEll so be it.

so be what?

 

[MatthewG]

No, And you can look in scripture to prove this is not true. but again, What point are you trying to make?

agree..

agree. we should have a moral discussion. not attack the other person because we disagree.

so be what?

Thank you for sharing your beliefs with me. It’s cool you believe them. I love you regardless.


That’s the part people miss. People are very mean these days and they down play ya quick, I’m glad …

Mean… derogatory… don’t give a dang but their own opinion.

That the God I worship is not like this.

 

[MatthewG]

And I’m cool wit Yahavah destroying his own country of people for their disobedience,,



But no man here is my God. Promise that.

 

[IndianaRob]

I thought it was faith in Jesus??

It's really weird to be faithful to a book that talks about the death, burial, resurrection, accession, and return and victory of Jesus Christ.

The Bible is a collection of Letters over time. What authority/proof do you have to say it's written to anyone today?

All the Apostles that witness Jesus Christ, and his resurrection, Acsenison, and I believe even some were caught up when Yeshua had returned before the destruction of Jerusalem had come...


They are all dead. Where is anyone in authority that I must place my faith in the bible, and not Jesus?

The Bible is the spirit of Christ, that’s plenty good reason to put your faith in the Bible.

 

[Jericho]

It's really weird to be faithful to a book that talks about the death, burial, resurrection, accession, and return and victory of Jesus Christ.

How would we know about Jesus, his death, and his resurrection if not for the Bible? How would we know about God, His character and attributes without the Bible? How would we know what is true or not without the Bible? How could we test the spirits without comparing and contrasting it against the Bible? The Bible is a guidebook; it is our standard. If we can't trust it, then what as Christians can we trust?

God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us. He wrote down the ten commandments on stone tablets. He told Moses to write down His words (Exo 17:14, 24:4, 34:27-28). Jesus himself quoted from what to us now is the Old Testament. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

 

[MatthewG]

The Bible is the spirit of Christ, that’s plenty good reason to put your faith in the Bible.

Okay. That's not even what the bible states though is it... The letter to the Hebrews says it's impossible to please God but by faith. That "He" exists. I agree with you that you are able to trust the bible. I love the fact it is even in existence. Thank you for your comment IndianaRob.

People can believe how they will, or view it how they will, but I am thankful we have one.

How would we know about Jesus, his death, and his resurrection if not for the Bible?

I guess you wouldn't. You would just have faith that a God that created all things existed and found out after death, if you followed the holy spirit which is given to those who have faith, in someone greater than themselves having created all things they see... and they love God and love others...

What about all the countless Indians that were slain when people colonized over here in America. Did they not get a chance to believe it something greater than them, though they did odd things?

How would we know about God, His character and attributes without the Bible?

Are you unable to find death, and resurrection in the aspect of nature? Trees die in the winter, and come back to life, in the spring? Is there anyway to find beautiful of life through the aspects of the natural realm? And think of someone greater than themselves, and they love God and love others? It's faith which people have pleased God by their faith.

Or is it do you need to read the bible in order to even be "chosen" to be saved?

How would we know what is true or not without the Bible?

Shoot, I can't even prove that God exist. Are you able to prove that God exist, or is it your faith that God exist which keeps you humble before him?

How could we test the spirits without comparing and contrasting it against the Bible?

Is the like a technically in order to judge people whether or not they believe or something? They have to confess something in order to be saved exactly? What about those who never even had a bible to begin with.

The Bible is a guidebook; it is our standard. If we can't trust it, then what as Christians can we trust?

It's a spiritual map, for people to figure out where they are in their relationship with Yahavah/God. That is my perspective.

God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us. He wrote down the ten commandments on stone tablets. He told Moses to write down His words (Exo 17:14, 24:4, 34:27-28). Jesus himself quoted from what to us now is the Old Testament. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Those ten commandments were given to the nation of Israel, nor America or anything. Yes, I do believe that the bible is useful.


So don't please I hope you aren't getting it twisted or anything. I am adamant of people seeking out and using their bibles, not that it's not useful.



The question simply is "why do people say you have to place faith in the bible."

That's now what the passage in hebrews says, (Hebrews 11:6) It's faith in believing that God even exists that pleases him, and most people who assume that one day they will die and pass on and see something way more than themselves, they will be resurrected and find out who it was who gave them the Holy spirit, that would've been Jesus and they will figure out then... Ya know?








Does these comments make sense or are they just abunch of garbage cause I would really like to know from both of you.

 

[Lambano]

What does a "showed life look like."

Are you saying we do not live by the written word, but we actually live by the holy spirit which God gives to individuals who believe in his death, burial, resurrection

The essence of the question is, what do you think a life "lived by the holy spirit" looks like?

Of course it would be better to show what a life lived by the holy spirit looks like, rather than just telling. But I don't have the right to demand that of any other person.

 

[MatthewG]

The essence of the question is, what do you think a life "lived by the holy spirit" looks like?

Of course it would be better to show what a life lived by the holy spirit looks like, rather than just telling. But I don't have the right to demand that of any other person.

Praise be to Yahavah, and the Lord Yeshua for what they have done for the world. He can only judge.

Thank you for your input.

Do you think it is harder for those with knowledge to live a spirit filled life, without know the effects of what the holy spirit brings into an individuals life - who has to fight their flesh which wars between the holy spirit itself? Or do you believe that those who don't know but belive and choose to have faith in Yahavah, are warned of their wrongs before going in and doing it (by the warnings of the holy spirit)?



I don't know myself. All one can do is basically live life, and choose faith.

(Reminds of that phrase by the hebrew writer "be careful not to start having a hardened heart which causes unbelief and walking away from the Living God.")

 

[Windmill Charge]

I trust the bible as a reliable source of knowledge concerning Yahweh/Yahavah, dealing with mankind, and even more about Jesus, but knowledge is not what gets us to Yahavah. It's always faith, but not in the bible, in Him.

Which is what I wrote.
I suspect t it is also what people used to mean when they talked about having faith in the bible, but that they were guilty of sloppy language and theo,ogy which corrupted those who followed them.