What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?

[Ezra]

Firstly, I admit I didn't take the time to read through the whole thread prior to posting...so my apologies.

Just like a typical fish is incapable of running...so shall the saved people be incapable of sinning when they get their new glorified bodies. Imagine there will be no such thing as the lust of the flesh anymore.

bingo

 

[quietthinker]

What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?​

I'm definitely sure gobstoppers wont do it nor will winning debates.

 

[Lambano]

What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?​

I was thinking we just wouldn't WANT to. (Which is the big problem here, right?)

What's the difference between answer #2 (robot) and answer #6 (functionally incapable)?

 

[BarneyFife]

What Keeps Us From Sinning In Heaven?​

I was thinking we just wouldn't WANT to. (Which is the big problem here, right?)

What's the difference between answer #2 (robot) and answer #6 (functionally incapable)?

I was compelled to add nuanced answer options due to the objections of participants. Some folks just don't like the wording of things.

 

[AngelicArcher]

Honestly, what will our edge over Lucifer, and Adam and Eve be?

UPDATE: I can't understand why Christian people are so ready to tell people (even other Christians) whom they don't even know that they "don't understand the Gospel?" I'm not asking for informational purposes, and it's not meant to be a quiz or imply that I have knowledge unavailable to other Christians or even other people, in general. For many people, the Gospel is as simple as "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8) and for them, the rest is just window-dressing. More power to them, I say. I like to dig a little deeper, myself. My purpose here is simply to provoke thought and stimulate discussion. That's all. I'm not looking to "school" anybody. Honestly. I have a theory, but I'm not sure I'm anxious to put a bullseye on it right away. I don't believe that helps to encourage participation in a positive way. Whenever a line in the sand is drawn in a thread by the OP the conversation will (9 times out of 10) descend into a partisan debate, which is when the barbs really start to come out flying.

The thought question is very simple (however frustrating and elusive it may be to some):

What tangible thing will we have at our disposal that the 3 original sinners did not have that will keep us from falling as they did?

There are implications to this question that will occur to many, such as: fairness to the original 3 (e.g. will our advantage constitute unfairness to them?) For some of us, these implications can't just be summarily dismissed. God's honor must be vindicated. Many feel that full disclosure is very important to Him, à la John 16:12. The original 3 fell to temptation, albeit Lucifer somehow must have tempted himself and apparently did not repent as did the Edenic pair. I do not believe an explanation that involves just any theorized difference between our glorified nature and theirs is satisfactory. I pondered this question for over 40 years before stumbling onto an article that made me think there might actually be a solution.

A very unique question given how often topics are done to death repeatedly in forums such as this.

I answered,I don't know.

Namely because of Lucifers status in Heaven and prior to his fall.

Lucifer sinned against God when he sought angel allies so to overthrow God and take his place and started a war in Heaven.

What then could stop our sinning in heaven as former mortals? When angels of God sinned as a group.

 

[Brakelite]

A very unique question given how often topics are done to death repeatedly in forums such as this.

I answered,I don't know.

Namely because of Lucifers status in Heaven and prior to his fall.

Lucifer sinned against God when he sought angel allies so to overthrow God and take his place and started a war in Heaven.

What then could stop our sinning in heaven as former mortals? When angels of God sinned as a group.

Excellent observation. So what are we aware of that those rebels weren't aware of?

 

[charity]

Honestly, what will our edge over Lucifer, and Adam and Eve be?

UPDATE: I can't understand why Christian people are so ready to tell people (even other Christians) whom they don't even know that they "don't understand the Gospel?" I'm not asking for informational purposes, and it's not meant to be a quiz or imply that I have knowledge unavailable to other Christians or even other people, in general. For many people, the Gospel is as simple as "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8) and for them, the rest is just window-dressing. More power to them, I say. I like to dig a little deeper, myself. My purpose here is simply to provoke thought and stimulate discussion. That's all. I'm not looking to "school" anybody. Honestly. I have a theory, but I'm not sure I'm anxious to put a bullseye on it right away. I don't believe that helps to encourage participation in a positive way. Whenever a line in the sand is drawn in a thread by the OP the conversation will (9 times out of 10) descend into a partisan debate, which is when the barbs really start to come out flying.

The thought question is very simple (however frustrating and elusive it may be to some):

What tangible thing will we have at our disposal that the 3 original sinners did not have that will keep us from falling as they did?

There are implications to this question that will occur to many, such as: fairness to the original 3 (e.g. will our advantage constitute unfairness to them?) For some of us, these implications can't just be summarily dismissed. God's honor must be vindicated. Many feel that full disclosure is very important to Him, à la John 16:12. The original 3 fell to temptation, albeit Lucifer somehow must have tempted himself and apparently did not repent as did the Edenic pair. I do not believe an explanation that involves just any theorized difference between our glorified nature and theirs is satisfactory. I pondered this question for over 40 years before stumbling onto an article that made me think there might actually be a solution.

'So also is the resurrection of the dead.
It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:
it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
And so it is written,
The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.'
(1Cor. 15:42-45)

Hello @BarneyFife,
When I first read your subject heading, I thought it said, ' What keeps us from singing in Heaven?'

In answer to your question, 'What keeps us from sinning in Heaven?'

* In resurrection we will have a new body, a spiritual body, like unto Christ's resurrection body,
for flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:50).

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

'For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience,
that in simplicity and godly sincerity,
not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God,
we have had our conversation in the world,
and more abundantly to you-ward.'
(2Cor. 1:12)

 

[Brakelite]

Many in this thread believe a new body makes the difference between sinning and not sinning. What happened to good old better decision making?

 

[Lambano]

Many in this thread believe a new body makes the difference between sinning and not sinning.

I blame it on Paul for using the term "flesh" for the human sin-nature and thus perpetuating first-century gnostic/docetic thinking about the evilness of matter for all time.

 

[Brakelite]

I blame it on Paul for using the term "flesh" for the human sin-nature and thus perpetuating first-century gnostic/docetic thinking about the evilness of matter for all time.

Which they inherited from the Greeks.

 

[Truther]

To live forever in heaven without sickness, there is also there a cause and effect situation. To remain healed, one must eat of the tree of life that is planted there.

 

[BarneyFife]

A very unique question given how often topics are done to death repeatedly in forums such as this.

I answered,I don't know.

Namely because of Lucifers status in Heaven and prior to his fall.

Lucifer sinned against God when he sought angel allies so to overthrow God and take his place and started a war in Heaven.

What then could stop our sinning in heaven as former mortals? When angels of God sinned as a group.

It's often stated that we won't be sinning because there will be no evil angels to tempt us. Which, of course, sounds reasonable enough, but where does that put the impetus of the first unction of rebellion originating, as it were, in the heart of Lucifer?

It's also been urged that our advantage will be that of possessing "glorified" or "spiritual" bodies, but what does that say about the whole "experiment"—for lack of a better term—of sin and rebellion? If a glorified/spiritual body, capable of voluntary (a redundancy) love, then why didn't the Lord just endow Adam with one of those in the first place?

It's been my experience that religious folks (at least passively) object to questions they can't answer quickly and confidently.

 

[BarneyFife]

To live forever in heaven without sickness, there is also there a cause and effect situation. To remain healed, one must eat of the tree of life that is planted there.

Hi, long time no see!

I'm still not seeing where you're addressing the advantage we'll have over Adam's initial abilities.

 

[BarneyFife]

Many in this thread believe a new body makes the difference between sinning and not sinning. What happened to good old better decision making?

What guarantees no more bad decision-making? If by "good old" you mean the earliest human-type, it's old enough, all right, but I think we can agree that it wasn't very good.

 

[BarneyFife]

'So also is the resurrection of the dead.
It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:
it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
And so it is written,
The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.'
(1Cor. 15:42-45)

Hello @BarneyFife,
When I first read your subject heading, I thought it said, ' What keeps us from singing in Heaven?'

In answer to your question, 'What keeps us from sinning in Heaven?'

* In resurrection we will have a new body, a spiritual body, like unto Christ's resurrection body, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:50).

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

'For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience,
that in simplicity and godly sincerity,
not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God,
we have had our conversation in the world,
and more abundantly to you-ward.'
(2Cor. 1:12)

I haven't seen you in forever, it seems like, Chris!

Thanks for participating!

What we're actually dealing with here is the mysterious origin of sin and how to prevent rebellion from rising a 2nd time.

And, to my mind, the solution can't be an arbitrary tweak on the part of God in any way.

The problem of sin and its results has to be settled finally in the hearts/minds of every conscious and conscientious creature of God.

This is going to require the redeemed and unfallen in eternity future to have something that those who, in eternity past, had not yet fallen to temptation did not have.

It's almost a trick question because it should be almost painfully obvious to a CHRISTian.

I don't like to give out the answer (which I have done in this thread, by the way) too often because it just summons the ire of too many who are ill-mannerdly disagreeable.

 

[charity]

I haven't seen you in forever, it seems like, Chris!

Thanks for participating!

What we're actually dealing with here is the mysterious origin of sin and how to prevent rebellion from rising a 2nd time.

And, to my mind, the solution can't be an arbitrary tweak on the part of God in any way.

The problem of sin and its results has to be settled finally in the hearts/minds of every conscious and conscientious creature of God.

This is going to require the redeemed and unfallen to have something that those who, in eternity past, had not yet fallen to temptation did not have.

It's almost a trick question because it should be almost painfully obvious to a CHRISTian.

I don't like to give out the answer (which I have done in this thread, by the way) too often because it just summons the ire of too many who are ill-mannerdly disagreeable.

Hello @BarneyFife,

It was good to see your name here too. It is a while since I took part.

The Believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is placed 'in Christ' by God the Father. We are accepted, 'in the Beloved'. We stand before God as though, 'holy and without blame', because we are 'in Christ', in the spirit. God has reckoned us to be 'holy and without blame', He reckons us to be 'dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God', in the spirit. That is our standing before God. We are 'Complete' in Christ'. It is for us to reckon by God's reckoning, and live accordingly.

Only in Christ is this possible: the wisdom of God has ordained it so, it is His way of saving us from sin and it's consequences. Destroying the work of Satan who was instrumental in bringing sin and death into the world, and death by sin.

What happens in eternity, and how God in His Holiness is enabled to receive to Himself such sinful creatures, is again because we are 'in' His precious, only Begotten, risen and glorified Son, our Saviour. We will be the recipients of His loving-kindness for eternity, through the person of His Beloved Son.

May His Name be praised!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[lforrest]

Many in this thread believe a new body makes the difference between sinning and not sinning. What happened to good old better decision making?

Humans are not rational creatures. We don't consider evidence, weigh pros and cons, or good or evil. Decisions are often knee jerk reactions, which are often influenced by the flesh. So absent from the flesh perhaps rational decision making is possible.

 

[Truther]

Hi, long time no see!

I'm still not seeing where you're addressing the advantage we'll have over Adam's initial abilities.

Good to talk to you again. I’ve been very busy. I thought this was something in my wheelhouse. We will be in resurrected bodies, but they are real bodies. We will be able to eat of the tree of life, which is for the healing of the nations as we see in revelation chapter 22. Jesus made that promise to those that overcome in revelation chapter 2. He said that they would eat of the tree of life, which is in the garden of God. This is literal and not hypothetical. There is a cause and effect when it comes to living forever. Only a person in heaven That doesn’t belong in heaven would not want to eat of the tree of life in revelation chapter 22.

 

[BarneyFife]

My auto-correct seems like it hates the word "sin" sometimes!

 

[AngelicArcher]

My auto-correct seems like it hates the word "sin" sometimes!

Mine changes sin to son. And love to live.

Go figure. I make the most of it thinking it's making an attempt to come to Jesus. "live son son live" ;)