What is the purpose of infant baptism?

[Jude Thaddeus]

My own spouses G-ma attended Catholic Church every Sunday, every Mass for decades…and it was all preached in Latin…which she did not understand.

At least the Protestants were smart enough to choose a church that spoke a language they could understand!

Before Vatican II (1965), the homily was always in the vernacular. GOSSIP doesn't make FACTS.

Every Protestant Reformer (Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.) was a Catholic beforehand.

See, there is hope when someone stops MERELY Listening to what they are TOLD to Believe…and actually VERIFY with Scripture…and FIND it what they TOLD to BELIEVE was a LIE.

Look what happened immediately after the Prot Revolt.
I. PROTESTANT INTOLERANCE: AN OVERVIEW
II. PLUNDER AS AN AGENT OF RELIGIOUS REVOLUTION
III. SYSTEMATIC SUPPRESSION OF CATHOLICISM
IV. PROTESTANT CENSORSHIP
verified with Scripture???
Vladimir Putin can verify bombing a children's hospital with scripture.

There is an exodus of Protestant scholars and ministers converting the the CC because they found out how badly they have been lied to. Here's proof:

Conversion Stories Archives - The Coming Home Network

"FIND it what they TOLD to BELIEVE was a LIE" was not the basis for the Prot Revolt. You make up lies about that too.

Protestantism continually splinters because they believe that every man is his own Pope.

LOL, LOL…what a crock.
First of all…Protestants don’t have a pope…secondly they are ENCOURAGED to READ Scripture…not a SIDE-kick book of mens opinions!!

More polemical evasions. You profess individualism which automatically makes each Protestant their own pope. You cannot be reasoned with.

And they ignore 2 Peter 1:20-21, that says personal interpretation of Scripture is wrong.

LOL…pot calling the kettle black…
Duh…”your Catechism Book”…is exactly interpretations of men!!

Yea, that you never cite in context because you are afraid of it, so you make headless chicken comments.

Yet, that is one of the foundations of Protestantism. All you have is your personal interpretation of Scripture.

The foundation and Head of a Protestant Church…begins from top to bottom…

With none at the top. Or each individual at the top. A body with no head.

ALL ABOUT the Lord God Almighty…not men wearing floor length gowns and bejeweled crowns and having people bow down to them, calling them “their holy father” and slobber a kiss on their ring.

There is but ONE whom Jesus called the “Holy Father”….and he NEVER was called “the pope”!

Jesus is never called "Holy Father". Customs and rubrics do not detract from the worship given to God alone. It's not our fault you can't find "holy" and "father" in the Bible. Besides, where in the Bible are liturgical vestments banned? Looks like another man made tradition.

IF There were any validity to that approach, there would be ONE Protestant denomination, with all believing the same thing, not tens of thousands, belleving something different and contradictory.

And WHY do you think yourself qualified to decide for others what they LIKE…?

It's not a matter of "like", it's a matter of truth. 40,000 conflicting theologies can't all be truthful at the same time. If the premise of "sola scripture" was from God, it would be a divine decree binding all to one set of doctrines. It only takes 2 functioning brain cells to see this is not the case. Look in a phone book in the yellow pages under "churches".

Martin Luther invented SS, symptomatic of his mental illness.

In America in the 1910s, Professor Preserved Smith from Amherst College wrote several articles and books analyzing Luther from a Freudian perspective and finding evidence of psycho-pathology in him.

In 1937, a Copenhagen Psychiatrist, Paul J. Reiter MD wrote a 2 volume study, Martin Luther's World Character and Psychosis and the Influence of These Factors on his Development and Teachings which also demonstrated in detail from his own writings that Luther was mentally disturbed.

There is a review of Reiter's book here:
PEP | Browse | Read - Martin Luthers Umwelt Charakter Und Psychose Sowie Die Bedeutung Dieser Faktoren Für Seine Entwicklung Und Lehre. I. Die Umwelt. II. Luthers Persönlichkeit, Seelenleben Und Krankheiten. (Martin Luther's World Character and Psychosis and the Influence of These Factors on his Development and Teachings. 2 Volumes.): By Paul J. Reiter, M.D. Copenhagen: Ejnar Munksgaard. Vol. I, 1937, 402 pp. Vol. II, 1941, 633 pp.

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You have umpteen NAMES for your individual “Catholic Churches”…So? What do you care if someone wants to decide what to call their own church ?

We don't care what people want to call their church, even if it's not a church. The Church calls them "ecclesiastical communities" because she is polite.

Why are you SO concerned with individuals wanting to call their religious organization this or that….?? A group wants to meet on Wednesday…wear whatever..have softball team…babysit children so mothers can grocery shop….Really what do you care?

It's of no concern. Unity/diversity is an oxymoron that you are trying to defend. It amounts to the thin ice of relativism.

Do you think parading a statue of Mary or making repetitive chants around a Catholic Church is somehow making a person MORE Believing IN the Lord God Almighty?

Of course not. It's a waste of time without FAITH. But your faith about the CC is based on misconceptions that you RIGIDLY adhere to, a sort of Christian Taliban. When confronted with one of your favorite falsehoods, like your perverted obsession with statues, you reply with a rant with additional off topic falsehoods. I think you get some kind of satisfaction being proved wrong so often.

Protestants don’t care about all your silly rituals. They do not make a Catholic MORE religious giving praise to God than a Protestant.

Jesus didn't abolish rituals, He perfected them.

BTW….can you NAME 1,000, even 100 of these so called “splintered” Protestant Churches…and WHO is their Lord God they worship….or are you just repeating what you were told?

Look in the yellow pages under "churches".

You appear to have not Had or Lost insight to what Church Jesus established….and that which the Jewish Apostles carried forward until their deaths.

Yet you deny the Jewish roots of church government, the Jewish roots of the Eucharist, the Jewish roots of Mariology, I could go on.
You throw your Elder Brother out of the house, and divorce yourself from the early church because "Ignatius" isn't in the Bible.

 

[Truther]

What???? In the name of JUST "Jesus"??? Not "Jesus CHRIST"??? That would be a total waste, according to you! Gotta mouth the words "Jesus Christ," according to you. No substitutes allowed, according to you. Can't mouth the words "the Son," nor any other reference to Him, according to you. Doesn't matter that everyone on earth and in heaven knows that "Jesus" means Jesus Christ, and that "the Son" means Jesus Christ, according to you. The exact phrase "Jesus Christ" is REQUIRED, according to you.

You can add Christ to Jesus. I’m good with that.

 

[Truther]

When my Dad called me "son," it was clear to everyone who heard him that he was referring uniquely to me. When a priest or minister baptizes in the name of "the Son," it is clear to everyone who hears him that he is referring uniquely to Jesus Christ.

When they gave you a name on your birth certificate, did they call you “son” or did they call you by an actual name?

 

[Truther]

Does the Bible call him Jesus, the son of God or son the Jesus of God?

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Not me. I think Jesus' name is assumed when "the Son" is SPOKEN. After all, who else can "the Son" refer to?

 

[Fred J]

What is the actual name of the son that Jesus commanded them to be baptized in per the verse you posted?

None other than 'Jesus', as per prior the Son spoke to them, before the descending of the Holy Ghost and their ministry, to make disciple of all nation.

I ask this to continue to explain why the Apostles and disciples always and only baptized in the name of Jesus without any mention of "Father" or "Holy Ghost" in their baptisms of the book of Acts.

Here we are witnessing only their command to those who believe and come to repentance, to be baptize in the name of Jesus Christ. Nowhere in the scripture we are witnessing the actual conduct of water baptism itself, apart from the Gospel.

But as wisdom given us and according to the context of the scripture, from Jesus in Matthew 28:19 to Acts, about water baptism. This is apparently the case not leaving out one bit, when they actually conduct water baptism after Jesus. They would go on like this, "In the name of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the FATHER, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." This also matches the testimony of Apostle Paul to the church, that every thing must be said and done in the name of Jesus Christ.

Just imagine, they water baptize in the name of Jesus alone, what about the FATHER and the Holy Ghost? When the FATHER and Holy Ghost play also a major role in Salvation and the New Testament in whole. Now, if we were to use the name of the FATHER, does anyone know exactly HIS name, nor pronounce accurately? No. Next, how about the name of the Holy Ghost then? Any where in the New Testament is mentioned or written? No.

We are called to receive the Kingdom of GOD like infants and children, for or as it is written in the Holy Bible. In the Old or New Testament, and according to it's context by the wisdom given us from above. And not like adults any longer, who complicate things and cause division, resulting to various traditions and denominations. For we stand by the 'Sola Scriptural' foundation of the Apostles and Prophets we're called to.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Truther]

None other than 'Jesus', as per prior the Son spoke to them, before the descending of the Holy Ghost and their ministry, to make disciple of all nation.

Here we are witnessing only their command to those who believe and come to repentance, to be baptize in the name of Jesus Christ. Nowhere in the scripture we are witnessing the actual conduct of water baptism itself, apart from the Gospel.

But as wisdom given us and according to the context of the scripture, from Jesus in Matthew 28:19 to Acts, about water baptism. This is apparently the case not leaving out one bit, when they actually conduct water baptism after Jesus. They would go on like this, "In the name of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the FATHER, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." This also matches the testimony of Apostle Paul to the church, that every thing must be said and done in the name of Jesus Christ.

Just imagine, they water baptize in the name of Jesus alone, what about the FATHER and the Holy Ghost? When the FATHER and Holy Ghost play also a major role in Salvation and the New Testament in whole. Now, if we were to use the name of the FATHER, does anyone know exactly HIS name, nor pronounce accurately? No. Next, how about the name of the Holy Ghost then? Any where in the New Testament is mentioned or written? No.

We are called to receive the Kingdom of GOD like infants and children, for or as it is written in the Holy Bible. In the Old or New Testament, and according to it's context by the wisdom given us from above. And not like adults any longer, who complicate things and cause division, resulting to various traditions and denominations. For we stand by the 'Sola Scriptural' foundation of the Apostles and Prophets we're called to.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

Since you agree that the name of the son is Jesus per Matthew 28 verse 19, then you agree with Peter when he said, repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, correct?

 

[Fred J]

Yes, look at the highlighted in this passage....


36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.


That was the lone qualifier by the eunoch to be able to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins.

Yes, but what happened in the scene of water baptizing them is not documented, even whether done only in the name of Jesus alone.

The qualifier still stands today.

The problem today is...they think the qualifier for baptism is the plan of salvation!

No, that's the first step we witness in Acts, they minister the Gospel to the mass in the beginning. Next, those who believe and come to repentance, they command them to be water baptized in the name of Jesus.

Furthermore again, the actual conduct of water baptism on them is not documented. Therefore why add to or subtract from, the very scripture itself, hence fall short of GOD's Glory?

That's why of these who think they follow Paul's gospel, claiming for the Gentiles and not for the Jews, fall miserably short rather. For Jesus chose Paul to bear His name before the Gentiles and Jews. (Acts 9:15)

Therefore, i testify of these, who are unlearned and unstable who 'twist' Paul's teachings and do so other scripture, to their own destruction. (2Peter3:16)

They skip the very thing we qualify ourselves for.

Yes, the water baptism, and Paul did not mention water baptism is no longer necessary at all.

 

[Fred J]

Since you agree that the name of the son is Jesus per Matthew 28 verse 19, then you agree with Peter when he said, repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, correct?

How can i not agree, when i posted testifying these things from the beginning, to those who prevent water baptism?

 

[Taken]

NOWHERE in ALL of Scripture does it tell us that Jesus is out “ONLY intercessor.”

1 Tim. 2:5 calls Him out one MEDIATOR.
As for intercession – This is something that the ENTIRE Body of Christ does for one another (1 Cor. 12:21-22. James 5:16, Rev. 8:5).

STUDY your Bible . . .

John 14:
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[Taken]

I don’t care if you “agree” with me or not.

Of course you do,,, Years ago, when I simply responded to your posts…”I disagree”…
Boo hoo, you complained!

I was talking about your abhorrent behavior towards Catholics.

You get the blue ribbon, for the most intolerable obnoxious person on this forum, who happens to be Catholic…Too bad for you, your own behavior bounces back on you.

I guess the truth hurts. . . .

I would suppose the truth does present a sting for you.

 

[Fred J]

Since you agree that the name of the son is Jesus per Matthew 28 verse 19, then you agree with Peter when he said, repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, correct?

But i disagree, when they baptized people in the water, they used the name of Jesus alone.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

John 14:
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

That's the very reason their are subordinate mediators in the first place.

Protestants will argue, “If Jesus is our one mediator, then Christ alone mediates grace. In saying anyone else can, Catholics are usurping and thereby denying Christ’s singular role as mediator. That’s blasphemy!”

The Catholic Response:​

Much to the surprise of many Protestants I have spoken to over the years, the Catholic Church actually acknowledges Christ to be our one and absolutely unique mediator who alone can reconcile us to the Father in a strict sense. In his classic, The Catholic Catechism, Fr. John Hardon explains:

… the Incarnation corresponds to mediation in the order of being, and the Redemption (remission of sin and conferral of grace) is mediation morally.
This kind of mediation is incommunicable. No one but the Savior unites in himself the divinity, which demands reconciliation, and the humanity, which needs to be reconciled.

Protestants generally agree with us on this point. However, Fr. Hardon goes on to say:

Nevertheless, lesser and subordinate mediators are not excluded. The question is what purpose they serve and in what sense do they mediate. They can help the cause of mediation in the only way that human beings (or creatures) can contribute to the work of salvation, namely, by their willing response to grace; either better disposing themselves or others for divine grace, or interceding with God to give his grace, or freely cooperating with grace when conferred.

The “lesser and subordinate mediators” is where the trouble starts. And yet, the context of I Timothy 2:5 demonstrates Fr. Hardon’s point. In the first two verses, St. Paul commands “supplications, prayers and intercessions to be made for all men…” Intercession is a synonym for mediation. Hebrews 7:24-25 refers to Jesus acting as our one mediator at the right hand of the Father and refers to him as intercessor:

But [Christ] holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. Consequently, he is able for all time to save those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Christ is our one mediator/intercessor, yet, St. Paul commands all Christians to be intercessors/mediators. Then notice the first word in verse five: “For there is one God and one mediator…” And then in verse seven he says, “For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle.” What is an apostle if not a mediator? The very definition of apostle, according to Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, is “a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders.” That’s an essential part of what a mediator is. In short, St. Paul says we are all called to be mediators because Christ is the one mediator and for this reason he was called to be a mediator of God’s love and grace to the world!

Is this a contradiction? Not at all! The fact that Jesus is our one mediator does not preclude him from communicating this power by way of participation. The Bible also declares: “But you are not to be called Rabbi, for you have one teacher, (Gr. – didaskolos) and you are all brethren.” This text cannot be any clearer, yet James 3:1 and Ephesians 4:11 tell us we have many teachers (Gr. – didaskoloi) in the Church. The key is to understand that the many teachers and mediators in the body of Christ do not take away from Christ as the one teacher and mediator because they are, in a sense, Christ on this earth and they serve to establish his offices of teacher and mediator in Him. As members of the body of Christ graced with a specific task by Christ they can say with St. Paul in Galatians 2:20, “It is not I, but Christ who [teaches] in me…”

And remember, we are not talking about necessity here. The Church is not claiming Christ couldn’t get the job done so he needed help. Of course not! He could do it all—and all by himself—if he wanted to. He could come down here right now and write this blog post much more effectively than I ever could. But he chooses not to do everything himself, strictly speaking.
He delights in using his body to communicate his life and love to the world.
read more here

 

[Taken]

That's the very reason their are subordinate mediators in the first place.

Protestants will argue, “If Jesus is our one mediator, then Christ alone mediates grace. In saying anyone else can, Catholics are usurping and thereby denying Christ’s singular role as mediator. That’s blasphemy!”

The Catholic Response:​

Much to the surprise of many Protestants I have spoken to over the years, the Catholic Church actually acknowledges Christ to be our one and absolutely unique mediator who alone can reconcile us to the Father in a strict sense. In his classic, The Catholic Catechism, Fr. John Hardon explains:


Protestants generally agree with us on this point. However, Fr. Hardon goes on to say:

The “lesser and subordinate mediators” is where the trouble starts. And yet, the context of I Timothy 2:5 demonstrates Fr. Hardon’s point. In the first two verses, St. Paul commands “supplications, prayers and intercessions to be made for all men…” Intercession is a synonym for mediation. Hebrews 7:24-25 refers to Jesus acting as our one mediator at the right hand of the Father and refers to him as intercessor:


Christ is our one mediator/intercessor, yet, St. Paul commands all Christians to be intercessors/mediators. Then notice the first word in verse five: “For there is one God and one mediator…” And then in verse seven he says, “For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle.” What is an apostle if not a mediator? The very definition of apostle, according to Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, is “a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders.” That’s an essential part of what a mediator is. In short, St. Paul says we are all called to be mediators because Christ is the one mediator and for this reason he was called to be a mediator of God’s love and grace to the world!

Is this a contradiction? Not at all! The fact that Jesus is our one mediator does not preclude him from communicating this power by way of participation. The Bible also declares: “But you are not to be called Rabbi, for you have one teacher, (Gr. – didaskolos) and you are all brethren.” This text cannot be any clearer, yet James 3:1 and Ephesians 4:11 tell us we have many teachers (Gr. – didaskoloi) in the Church. The key is to understand that the many teachers and mediators in the body of Christ do not take away from Christ as the one teacher and mediator because they are, in a sense, Christ on this earth and they serve to establish his offices of teacher and mediator in Him. As members of the body of Christ graced with a specific task by Christ they can say with St. Paul in Galatians 2:20, “It is not I, but Christ who [teaches] in me…”

And remember, we are not talking about necessity here. The Church is not claiming Christ couldn’t get the job done so he needed help. Of course not! He could do it all—and all by himself—if he wanted to. He could come down here right now and write this blog post much more effectively than I ever could. But he chooses not to do everything himself, strictly speaking. He delights in using his body to communicate his life and love to the world.
read more here

Look….behold….comprehend…

When God has SECRETS, that knowledge belongs to God alone.

When God REVEALS the Knowledge of His Secrets, that knowledge thereafter belongs to ALL willing to hear and learn, trust and believe…(or not).

Jesus REVEALED a SECRET of Gods Knowledge…(John 14:6)

Jesus REVEALED men WITH Him…receive blessings from God…and WARNED men of a detriment unto any Person WHO would choose to LEAVE being “WITH” Him…a detrimental Negative consequence, of He LEAVING “being WITH” that man.

Jesus REVEALED men “WITH-IN” Him…
By Gods Power (WHO IS CHRIST), forever that individual WOULD BE KEPT, “WITH” the Lord God Almighty.

It is Expressly BY, THROUGH, OF…Christ Jesus, that an individual man, CAN FOREVER Be WITH the Lord God Almighty.

Prayers “OF” individuals WHO, ARE “IN” Christ…”ARE” directed to Pray FOR their
Brethren.
Their “Brethren” ARE those ALSO “IN Christ”.
Their “Brethren” (as ALL living men upon the face of this Earth…) SUFFER…tribulations (caused by other men), SUFFER…losses of loved ones, SUFFER…diseases, hardships, threats etc.
Prayers offered to the Lord God, by their “brethren”, FOR the Lord God to PUT IN THE PATH of THIER brethren a revealing of hope and calm…. is self-less compassion, and joy to the Lord Gods ears.

The “Brethren” are ALSO directed to Pray FOR their “enemies”. WHY? Isn’t it a humans NATURAL INSTINCT to BE RID of their “enemies”? So WHY Pray “FOR” them? Is God going to “magically” change them…? (Even against their WILL)?
No…
God “works” in mysterious ways…setting before His Enemies, a man IN Christ’s Enemies…Something in their “ENEMIES” path…that gives the “enemy” Pause, Curiosity, to see what this …JESUS “thing” is all about.

It the WHO and individual IS praying TO that is paramount.

Praying TO saints…(living “brethren” IN Christ)…is NOT scripturally taught.

Praying TO angels…(created spirits, holy or otherwise having deflected from holiness)…is NOT scripturally taught.

Praying TO souls/spirits … (IN Heaven, having departed out of their dead body’s)…is NOT scripturally taught.

Praying TO souls…(IN Hell, having departed out of their dead body’s)…is NOT scripturally taught.

IF a man IS NOT Converted…Praying “TO” the Lord Jesus “IS” expressly taught…AS HE ALONE is the (go between, intercessor, mediator)….between an Unsaved soul and the Father God IN Heaven.

IF a man IS Converted…He has BECOME “authorized” to PRAY, directly to God the Father IN Heaven…(and while Always Remembering, and Acknowledging…that mans “position”…authority to Pray Directly to Father God…IS Expressly BECAUSE Of Jesus’ works…(including in their prayer TO God…the acknowledgement…IN Jesus’ NAME!!
SUCH AS THIS MAN…Jesus Directs men to Pray in “THIS MANNER”…directing their PRAYER to …. “Our Father…”
Matt 6:9
Lue 11:12
2 Thes. 2:16

“Spiritual PRAYERS” ARE Expressly DELINEATED….by the teeny, tiny, words…
“TO”…and “FOR”.

“Spiritual PRAYERS” ARE Expressly “scripturally Revealed”….to be…
“TO” Christ Jesus the Lord…
”OR”
“TO” Our Father IN Heaven.

There “IS” NO wiggle room…for a “Spiritual Prayer”…to ANY OTHER, person or thing….Reveled as acceptable to the Lord God.

Men CAN Absolutely invoke a “SPIRITUAL PRAYER” “TO” other persons, other things…FREEWILL is a paramount characteristic ALL human living men possess.

“HOWEVER” such a “spiritual Prayer” IS NOT pleasing unto God… Not His WAY, His TEACHING, nor invokes A Positive Response From God.



Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Fred J]

John 14:
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

At present, Jesus is the Great High Priest in the perfect Holies of Holies in Heaven, at the right hand of the FATHER. As was in the Temple here in Jerusalem, where only the Great High Priest beginning with Moses, are the ones able to enter the Holies of Holies. Where reside the presence of GOD MOST HIGH, and they are approachable on behalf of the people of Israel.

After Jesus ascension, every believer or the elders in church on behalf here on earth, are called in the spirit. To boldly approach the Throne of Grace in Heaven, where Jesus is, our 'mediator' and 'intercessor' on our behalf.

Hebrews 4:
14. Seeing then that we have a Great High Priest, that is passed into the Heavens, Jesus the Son of GOD, let us hold fast our profession.
15. For we have not an High Priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16. Let us therefore come boldly unto the Throne of Grace. that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Shalom in the name of Jesus

 

[Fred J]

John 14:
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Even up to a denomination praying to the saints in Christ who are asleep, to 'intercede' on one's behalf to Jesus, is tragically of a rejected and lost people of GOD.

According to the wisdom given me and likewise scripturally refutable, once GOD rejected, and the lost King Saul consulted the asleep saint Prophet Samuel through a medium. On the other hand, what was the respond of Prophet Samuel to King Saul in return?

Another account in the Gospel is coming to mind, where in the parable of the rich man, neither Abraham or Lazarus could not cross to 'intercede' and warn his brothers. In return is said, his brothers have living Prophets to 'intercede' and warn them instead. And concluding, is also said, if they do not listen to the living, hence how can they even listen to the one come from the dead?

So, are we living in the spirit by the lessons left behind to ponder, reckon with, to accept or to forsake and move forward? Or, are we dead in the flesh, even once again, by history repeating itself in one's life and backslide?

Repent before it is too late, probably one like that may die the next moment with their sins unforgiven!

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ and do the right given things.

 

[Truther]

Yes, but what happened in the scene of water baptizing them is not documented, even whether done only in the name of Jesus alone.

No, that's the first step we witness in Acts, they minister the Gospel to the mass in the beginning. Next, those who believe and come to repentance, they command them to be water baptized in the name of Jesus.

Furthermore again, the actual conduct of water baptism on them is not documented. Therefore why add to or subtract from, the very scripture itself, hence fall short of GOD's Glory?

That's why of these who think they follow Paul's gospel, claiming for the Gentiles and not for the Jews, fall miserably short rather. For Jesus chose Paul to bear His name before the Gentiles and Jews. (Acts 9:15)

Therefore, i testify of these, who are unlearned and unstable who 'twist' Paul's teachings and do so other scripture, to their own destruction. (2Peter3:16)

Yes, the water baptism, and Paul did not mention water baptism is no longer necessary at all.

Modernists assume Paul gave up somehow on baptism because he did not mention it in every verse.

That is how weird anti-baptismalists are.

 

[Truther]

How can i not agree, when i posted testifying these things from the beginning, to those who prevent water baptism?

It is nice to find someone online that obeys Acts 2:38 like you.

It's a breath of fresh air in a moderninsts swamp.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

Look….behold….comprehend…

When God has SECRETS, that knowledge belongs to God alone.

When God REVEALS the Knowledge of His Secrets, that knowledge thereafter belongs to ALL willing to hear and learn, trust and believe…(or not).

Jesus REVEALED a SECRET of Gods Knowledge…(John 14:6)

Jesus REVEALED men WITH Him…receive blessings from God…and WARNED men of a detriment unto any Person WHO would choose to LEAVE being “WITH” Him…a detrimental Negative consequence, of He LEAVING “being WITH” that man.

Jesus REVEALED men “WITH-IN” Him…
By Gods Power (WHO IS CHRIST), forever that individual WOULD BE KEPT, “WITH” the Lord God Almighty.

It is Expressly BY, THROUGH, OF…Christ Jesus, that an individual man, CAN FOREVER Be WITH the Lord God Almighty.

How does this non-reply justify your denial of subordinate mediation? Did I not post enough detail explaining it??? "sole mediator" is not a slogan!

Does God not have the power to allow our participtation/intercession? What kind of loving Father is that??? You post a verse as if we have never seen it before.

Prayers “OF” individuals WHO, ARE “IN” Christ…”ARE” directed to Pray FOR their
Brethren.
Their “Brethren” ARE those ALSO “IN Christ”.
Their “Brethren” (as ALL living men upon the face of this Earth…) SUFFER…tribulations (caused by other men), SUFFER…losses of loved ones, SUFFER…diseases, hardships, threats etc.
Prayers offered to the Lord God, by their “brethren”, FOR the Lord God to PUT IN THE PATH of THIER brethren a revealing of hope and calm…. is self-less compassion, and joy to the Lord Gods ears.

​

The “Brethren” are ALSO directed to Pray FOR their “enemies”. WHY? Isn’t it a humans NATURAL INSTINCT to BE RID of their “enemies”? So WHY Pray “FOR” them? Is God going to “magically” change them…? (Even against their WILL)?
No…
God “works” in mysterious ways…setting before His Enemies, a man IN Christ’s Enemies…Something in their “ENEMIES” path…that gives the “enemy” Pause, Curiosity, to see what this …JESUS “thing” is all about.

It the WHO and individual IS praying TO that is paramount.

Praying TO saints…(living “brethren” IN Christ)…is NOT scripturally taught.

Well, technically, we don't pray TO saints, we ask them to pray for us (the brethren). It's up to God whether or not to answer the prayers, NOT THE SAINT. Even His mother can't do anything without God. Again, "prayer" does not mean "worship":'

Praying TO angels…(created spirits, holy or otherwise having deflected from holiness)…is NOT scripturally taught.

Praying TO souls/spirits … (IN Heaven, having departed out of their dead body’s)…is NOT scripturally taught.

Praying TO souls…(IN Hell, having departed out of their dead body’s)…is NOT scripturally taught.

Asking all the above is no different than asking your mother to pray for you. It IS scripturally taught. You're stuck in 16th century politics, not the truth of scripture.

IF a man IS NOT Converted…Praying “TO” the Lord Jesus “IS” expressly taught…AS HE ALONE is the (go between, intercessor, mediator)….between an Unsaved soul and the Father God IN Heaven.

Is it biblical to pray for an unsaved soul or isn't it? Obviously it is. To do so makes one a subordinate mediator/intercessor, that you deny. You're not making sense.

IF a man IS Converted…He has BECOME “authorized” to PRAY, directly to God the Father IN Heaven…(and while Always Remembering, and Acknowledging…that mans “position”…authority to Pray Directly to Father God…IS Expressly BECAUSE Of Jesus’ works…(including in their prayer TO God…the acknowledgement…IN Jesus’ NAME!!
SUCH AS THIS MAN…Jesus Directs men to Pray in “THIS MANNER”…directing their PRAYER to …. “Our Father…”
Matt 6:9
Lue 11:12
2 Thes. 2:16

“Spiritual PRAYERS” ARE Expressly DELINEATED….by the teeny, tiny, words…
“TO”…and “FOR”.

“Spiritual PRAYERS” ARE Expressly “scripturally Revealed”….to be…
“TO” Christ Jesus the Lord…
”OR”
“TO” Our Father IN Heaven.

There “IS” NO wiggle room…for a “Spiritual Prayer”…to ANY OTHER, person or thing….Reveled as acceptable to the Lord God.

Men CAN Absolutely invoke a “SPIRITUAL PRAYER” “TO” other persons, other things…FREEWILL is a paramount characteristic ALL human living men possess.

“HOWEVER” such a “spiritual Prayer” IS NOT pleasing unto God… Not His WAY, His TEACHING, nor invokes A Positive Response From God.

The rich man in Luke16 prayed to Abraham who is not God. Jesus is teaching a falsehood, according to you.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

1 Cor. 3:9 – God invites us to participate in Christ’s work because we are God’s “fellow workers” and one family in the body of Christ. God wants His children to participate. The phrase used to describe “fellow workers” is “sunergoi,” which literally means synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. Does God need fellow workers? Of course not, but this shows how much He, as Father, loves His children. God wants us to work with Him.

Mark 16:20 – this is another example of how the Lord “worked with them” (“sunergountos”). God cooperates with us. Out of His eternal love, He invites our participation.

Rom. 8:28 – God “works for good with” (the Greek is “sunergei eis agathon”) those who love Him. We work as subordinate mediators.

2 Cor. 6:1 – “working together” (the Greek is “sunergountes”) with him, don’t accept His grace in vain. God allows us to participate in His work, not because He needs our help, but because He loves us and wants to exalt us in His Son. It is like the father who lets his child join him in carrying the groceries in the house. The father does not need help, but he invites the child to assist to raise up the child in dignity and love.

Heb. 12:1 – the “cloud of witnesses” (nephos marturon) that we are surrounded by is a great amphitheatre of witnesses to the earthly race, and they actively participate and cheer us (the runners) on, in our race to salvation.

1 Peter 2:5 – we are a holy priesthood, instructed to offer spiritual sacrifices to God. We are therefore subordinate priests to the Head Priest, but we are still priests who participate in Christ’s work of redemption.

Rev. 1:6, 5:10 – Jesus made us a kingdom of priests for God. Priests intercede through Christ on behalf of God’s people.

James 5:16; Proverbs 15:8, 29 – the prayers of the righteous (the saints) have powerful effects. This is why we ask for their prayers. How much more powerful are the saints’ prayers in heaven, in whom righteousness has been perfected.