BreadOfLife
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Keep studying son.
You'll eventually understand what "In the name of" means.
Hopefully, it won't be too late by then . . .
What is the purpose of infant baptism?
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You'll eventually understand what "In the name of" means.
Hopefully, it won't be too late by then . . .
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Another LIE . . .
I don’t see a SINGLE example of YOU being “civil” towards ANY Catholic here.
In fact – the ONLY reason I even had to engage in a conversation with you and expose your nonsense was because of your anti-Catholic attacks.
Try to stay grounded in reality . . .
Here is the scriptural evidence of the verbal use of "in the name of Jesus"....
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk....
16 And his name through faith in his name...
17 But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.
18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
...similarly as the RCC and her daughters command us not to verbalize the name of Jesus.
Jude Thaddeus
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I didn't say anything about your prayer directly to God not being granted.
So far, so good.
Intercession doesn't mean "changings God's mind". What kind of God would grant a prayer that is NOT in your best interest???
Another absurd scenario. You're muddying the waters. God's decision to deny a direct prayer is always in your best interest. Intercession is not magic, nor is it manipulating God. God invites our participation. It's like the dad who lets his 4 year old help bring in the groceries. Dad doesn't need the boy's help, but dad wants to bring up the boy in dignity and love. The Communion of Saints is not an old-school-tie club. It's a family, with a familial relationship with God and with each other. Like any family, you can expect some bickering once in a while. But Catholics never erected a type of "Berlin Wall" between heaven and earth. The reformers did that. It's one family on earth as it is in heaven. "Catholic credentials" are not exclusives. Family members care for each other, it doesn't matter if they have a pulse or not.
For God to hear a prayer based on the holiness of So-and-So has nothing to do with God changing His mind. So-and-So is made perfect and with God in heaven, whose intercession is of greater effect than those on earth. Prayers of holy people, on earth or in heaven can have greater effect, but its not an absolute. It's is biblically based principle. Do I need to repeat, repeat, repeat the same verse over and over again?
How can any denied prayer be positive, negative, or neutral? Those are attributes of electrical wires.
He hears both. The more, the better, like when the whole community prayed for St. Peter's release from jail.
Prayer should be insistent. Your insistence denotes faith.
The prayers of the saints in Heaven and of the good souls on earth are perfume
which will never be wasted.
by Padre Pio <<Google that. It's a challenge, not a threat.The prayers of the saints in Heaven and of the good souls on earth are perfume
which will never be wasted.
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Taken
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Spiritual requests have nothing specific to do with your pretense of being the forum “teacher”!
It is not necessary for your to repeatedly PROVE your reliance on Carnal Mindedness and Carnal Understanding regarding Spiritual things…
You should actually try reading Scripture for the Benefit of Gods Truth that opens doors to His Understanding, instead of using Scripture as a weapon and reliance on your Catechism side-kick for mens faulty interpretations.
Spiritual prayer is TO ONLY the Lord God Almighty, spirit of man to Spirit of God.
IF you have NOT a QUICKENED spirit, God has provided an INTERCESSOR for men to Call ON His NAME…JESUS
No one else!
Duh! Basic Christian tenets!
Glory to God,
Taken
Then what about Matthew chapter 28, Jesus' commission, '.................baptize them in the name of the FATHER, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." ?
Again what about, "In the name of Jesus Christ, i baptize you in the name of the FATHER, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." ?
That's true, even the baptizer must believe is scripturally written, and one conduct it in faith when baptizing a repenter.
A person burying one self who is wretched in the past by dunking themselves in the water. And likewise resurrecting a new creature in Christ surfacing out of the water, hence, receive the gift of the Holy ghost
Taken
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Good grief, give it a rest! No one has a requirement to believe, like, agree with your Catholic Church, it’s dogma, it’s rituals, it’s statues, it’s shrines, it’s doctrine, or it’s umpteen dead people ya’ll pray TO…
Anti-catholic, Boo Hoo, so what…
You are not the authority, dictator, decider of WHO non-Catholic’s like and associate with…
Or not care to associate with.
You should have learned as a child, people choose to associate or distance themselves from others….because of an individuals behavior.
If someone does not LIKE YOU…seriously, it has Nothing to do with you being a Catholic!!!
Jude Thaddeus
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Anti-Catholicism is a tradition of men and we have every right to defend against your misconceptions.
This is not a reply to your narrow definition of "pray". The English definition can be found in any dictionary and you refuse to face the reality. Huffing and puffing with insults is not a reply, it's more like a temper tantrum. Not to mention hypocritical. So what does "pray" mean? Put "pray" in your address bar and click "enter".You are not the authority, dictator, decider of WHO non-Catholic’s like and associate with…
Or not care to associate with.
You should have learned as a child, people choose to associate or distance themselves from others….because of an individuals behavior.
If someone does not LIKE YOU…seriously, it has Nothing to do with you being a Catholic!!!
Jude Thaddeus
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Augustin56
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You sound like Judas Iscariot when the woman poured the expensive oil on Jesus and Judas Iscariot complained (John 12:4-5)
Then Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples, and the one who would betray him, said, “Why was this oil not sold for three hundred days’ wages* and given to the poor?”
The "oppulence" of the Church is not owned by any individual, but by the Church itself, which is the Body of Christ. It is for His glory.
And why would you want to belong to a denomination founded by John Smythe, based on his personal interpretation of Scripture? Who gave him authority to start a church apart from the one founded by Christ, Himself?
What is the actual name of the son that Jesus commanded them to be baptized in per the verse you posted?
I ask this to continue to explain why the Apostles and disciples always and only baptized in the name of Jesus without any mention of "Father" or "Holy Ghost" in their baptisms of the book of Acts.
Yes, look at the highlighted in this passage....
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
That was the lone qualifier by the eunoch to be able to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins.
The qualifier still stands today.
The problem today is...they think the qualifier for baptism is the plan of salvation!
They skip the very thing we qualify ourselves for.
Taken
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Anti-Catholicism is a TRADITION
??…
LOL…
That is the most laughable twisted logic.
A TRADITION is something one BELIEVES IN and PRACTICES…
This is not a reply to your narrow definition of "pray". The English definition can be found in any dictionary and you refuse to face the reality. Huffing and puffing with insults is not a reply, it's more like a temper tantrum. Not to mention hypocritical. So what does "pray" mean? Put "pray" in your address bar and click "enter".
It is NOT about being Narrow “MINDED”…
It IS about PROPER CONTEXTUAL APPLICATION!!
Asking is simply “inquiring”.
* Not a mystery men ASK other men all day long.
* Men can “ASK” men informally; Will you? Can you? Would you?
* Men can “ASK” men forcefully; Tell me. Answer me.
* Men can “ASK” formally; I pray you stay for supper. I pray you will consider (typically regarding a serious or judicial matter)
Men communicate “ASKING a QUESTION” WITH men…TO LIVING men with their speech, speaking, or in writing.
Men WHO Believe IN God and IN Gods WORD… Communicated WITH God, WITH Gods WORD (JESUS)… VIA PRAYER…
VIA ”mans spirit TO the Lord Gods SPIRIT”
** COMMUNICATION Prayer “TO” the Lord God IS SPIRITUAL, and IS NOT ONLY ABOUT “ASKING”…it INCLUDES Honoring, Exalting, Praising, Thanking.
No where in Gods approved word, is it taught for bodily alive men to ASK the departed spirits of bodily dead men … ANYTHING!
Catholicism has a LONG history of TEACHING illiterate men, who had NO WAY to Verify what they were being TOLD…
When men began learning to read, having access to read Scripture… AND Began challenging their “Catholic” teacher, priests…
Particularly…ABOUT MARY…
* Of HOW could a Human who IS themselves born IN sin…deliver forth a child WHO is WITHOUT sin???
* Instead of a TRUE reply…a LIE was made-up (agreed upon in their closed councils and given to Catholic Church members.)
* Or HOW could a Human, (Body & soul) Go and Be IN Heaven….Since Scripture says No man has GONE UP TO HEAVEN, but He who Came Down from Heaven.
*. Instead of a TRUE reply…a LIE was made-up (agreed upon in one of their closed councils and given to Catholic Church members.)
The LIE…Mary was special, she was naturally born “without” the “taint” of sin.
The LIE….Mary IS bodily IN Heaven.
Pure FICTION.
While “pretending” you give great honor to Mary; with your statues, bowing before statutes, praying To, elevating and parading statues, kissing such statues, laying trinkets before such statues…it is all based on a LIE, and more so a Dishonor to her memory.
Mary was naturally born in sin, like every other human.
Mary mortally lived, mortally died, and her body returning to dust.
Mary’s memory IS honored for the Choice she made to Serve the Lord according to is His WILL…just like many others have done, and are remembered FOR their Choices to Serve the Lord God.
The TRUTH will ALWAYS STAND and out-weigh a LIE.
I do NOT agree with FALSE Catholic Church Teaching…so what?
THAT IS NOT A TRADITION, it is a DISAGREEMENT!
I am NOT AGAINST “ALL” men who claim to “BE Catholic”! I disagree with parts of their “religious” vocation…so what. They as well do NOT agree with parts of MY “religious”vocation.
We have ZERO issue enjoying Conversations on “common ground” regarding things whereby WE are in Agreement.
*** I HAVE ZERO “spiritual or non-spiritual” suggestion, or requirement FROM God Himself…TO “LIKE” every other human man.
*** Even God Himself “had STRONG DISLIKES” (which is Defined and Called “HATE”) toward human men, and BEHAVIORS of human men…So What…He still DOES! And So ALSO do men…So what.
As I have said Before… BOL has a very hard time comprehending the meaning of words in proper context…and repeatedly PROVES that FACT….and YOU are proving that FACT is well deserved to apply to you as well.
An “anti-Catholic” is not a Tradition.
“Anti-Catholic” is STANDING AGAINST “ALL Catholic Teaching and ALL members of the Catholic Church”….
** and the ONLY ONE who can assuredly DECLARE that FACT of BEING “anti-Catholic” is the individual himself…NOT a bystander, such as BOL or yourself.
Scripture teaches men to BE REASONABLE…It is NOT reasonable for BOL or you to MAKE declarations of STANDING for others, without Evidence to support your claims.
BOL “pretends” with his self- puffed up ego, that he is the “appointed” forum “expert” on Catholicism AND (lol) English, when he repeatedly PROVES he CAN NOT comprehend proper contextual use of words.
God Bless you,
Glory to God,
Taken
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Who are you to judge me and I stay away from the Catholic Church and the ECF.
Taken
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Christ Jesus did not establish the “Catholic” Church…men did…just as you criticize and claim a man named John Smythe started a Church.
Men NAMED their Church Catholic.
Members CALL themselves Catholic.
Jesus Established Christ’s Church.
He called His Church “my Church”.
Members of Christ’s Church, do not call themselves … JESUS…or CHRIST…
They Call themselves Converted IN Christ.
You get yourself stuck negatively pointing your finger at others, while you do what you negatively accuse.
God Bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
Augustin56
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The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. The name "Catholic" was given this same Church very early on. St. Ignatius of Antioch, the bishop of Antioch taught by St. John, the Apostle, and ordained by St. Peter, was captured by the Romans. While they were transporting him to be martyred for the faith, he wrote a letter to the Smyrnaeans around 107-110 A.D., referring to the "Catholic Church," not in such a manner as if he were coining the term, but in such a manner in which he fully expected the Smyrnaeans to understand what he was talking about. It says in paragraph 8, "Where the bishop is present, there let the congregation gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." See the entire letter here: https://www.orderofstignatius.org/files/Letters/Ignatius_to_Smyrnaeans.pdf
Protestantism didn't begin until the 16th century, and has continually splintered ever since into literally tens of thousands of man-made, doctrinally contradicting denominations. That can hardly be the grounding of Christ's truths.
Every Protestant Reformer (Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.) was a Catholic beforehand.
Protestantism continually splinters because they believe that every man is his own Pope. And they ignore 2 Peter 1:20-21, that says personal interpretation of Scripture is wrong. Yet, that is one of the foundations of Protestantism. All you have is your personal interpretation of Scripture.
IF There were any validity to that approach, there would be ONE Protestant denomination, with all believing the same thing, not tens of thousands, belleving something different and contradictory.
Augustin56
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I am not judging your soul. That's God's job. We are to be fruit inspectors, however, discerning right from wrong, good from evil. We are to admonish our brothers and sisters who stray from the truth given us by Christ, for their own sake.
Love is willing the good of the other, as other. Period. No strings attached. We want their good for them. And what is the highest good? Eternal salvation with Christ!
If you and your best friend were getting ready to go to a white tie dinner, with lots of dignitaries, and you saw your friend had a huge booger hanging from their nose, would you tell them or not? If you cared more about yoruself, you would be silent, in fear they may be upset with you because you embarrassed them. However, if you loved them, you would tell them so they would avoid being embarrassed.
There's no need to dokimazo me brother--I believe if I'm not part of the Catholic Church I would be considered an "excommanocado"
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