What is the one true Church?

[BreadOfLife]

Is this the way your denomination tells you to behave?

And why is your communication so sloppy? "wwent"; "th POES" is poor English.

I ALWAYS rebuke those who espouse filthy lies.
Only a person who who lies himself would protest . . .

Exod. 20:16
"Thou shalt NOT bear false witness."

 

[David in NJ]

What is going on?

You actually wrote a clear, post, with very few spelling and grammatical errors and stuck to one topic!

It is refreshing to read your thoughts, without the usual judgement and condemnation!!!

Fantastic!!! PLEASE continue to write along this vein! It is so much more thoughtful meaningful than your usual diatribes!

Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:1-5

 

[BreadOfLife]

Revelation 2:20-23
But I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads My servants to be sexually immoral and to eat food sacrificed to idols. Even though I have given her time to repent of her immorality, she is unwilling.
Behold, I will cast her onto a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her will suffer great tribulation unless they repent of her deeds.
Then I will strike her children dead, and all the churches will know that I am the One who searches minds and hearts, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
The RCC has many protestant children who commit harlotry as well.

That's funny coming from a Protestant.

Thank GOD I beling to the Catholic Church and not the "RCC" . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

And folks call me dumb . in math class i was smart enough to wear open sandle shoes
in case the teacher called on me to do addition or subtraction . yall have a blessed day now .
As for me , I CHOOSE JESUS CHRIST and EVERY lovely WORD HE ever spoke
no matter how dumb that makes me seem to folks .

 

[Grailhunter]

Its real simple . Christmas in itself is not pagan . But the brining in of decorating trees and ol satan clause GOTTA GO .
Passover is not evil . But the bunnies and eggs GOTTA GO .
We can keep the traditions , JUST MAKE SURE THEY HONOR THE ONE WE CLAIM TO BE HONORING .
and pagan things DONT HONOR HIM .
I celebrate these events WITH ZERO paganism attached . I mean I WANT HONOR HE WHO SAVED ME
when i REMEMBER his birth , his crucifiction , his ressurection . THE PAGAN GOTTA GO .
IF WE love GOD we can remember these things and have ZERO need to add in the pagan stuff .
Now it is true no one knows WHEN CHRIST was born . I have no problem celebrating his birth .
The day dont bother me . THE PAGAN STUFF DOES . The greed and the lust it has become bothers me as well .
IF we truly LOVED CHRIST , LOVED GOD , why bring anything offensive to HIM into ANY celebration .
ITS VERY SIMPLE TO DO THIS . JUST dont particpate in anything , no matter how cute and cutesy one triest to make it .
Another huge example . WHEN DID GOD ever say , OH its okay to dress up in pagan costumes , witches warlocks
wizards and etc. SO HELLOWEEN IS OUT . That one IS OUT . no christain should even sniff in that Celebration in any way .
As for the others , well as i wrote above , KEEP THE PAGAN OUT OF IT . HONOR GOD , HONOR CHRIST
and lets not decieve ourselves into thinking PAGAN TRASH honors GOD . WHEN in truth the reason we do it
Is cause we like to do it and we sure dont want to OFFEND ANYONE . ITs all a lie my friend .
We can honor GOD , we just cant HONOR HIM with evil . and its HIGH TIME folks learnt , learn and LEARNED THIS WELL .
forgive me english , i wrote it on purpose to make a point . SINCE most see me as a first grade educated red neck
from the hills who can only count to twenty if my shoes and socks are off .

Like I said I understand how people can be offended by the Pagan aspects of Christianity. But I have to caution about people thinking they know what God thinks in these matters. This is one of the things that lead the Catholic Church astray.

What would have happened if Emperor Constantine would not have stopped the persecutions. Christianity was on the road to extermination and or being dominated by the Gnostics. You do not hear about the Gnostics being persecuted by the Romans because they were so secretive. The vison that Emperor Constantine saw....was Christ behind the merging of Christianity with the Roman Empire? It is a question because I or you cannot prove either way. But it was Christ that choose to bring the Pagans into Christianity and the Bible never said they had to give up all of their traditions.

And then what are going to do with the requirement for wedding ceremonies to be married. This custom strictly comes from Pagan sources. And the modern Christian wedding and reception is full of Pagan traditions and rituals.

 

[amigo de christo]

Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:1-5

The MUSLIMS dont believe that . yet our wise jimmy seems to think they worship the same GOD we do .
its all a lie david . And i had rather die ten thousand deaths at the hands of all inclusive social gospel men
than to sell out to a lie that wont , and dont and cannot and willnot save a soul . ITS BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST
or its all vain .

 

[amigo de christo]

Like I said I understand how people can be offended by the Pagan aspects of Christianity. But I have to caution about people thinking they know what God thinks in these matters. This is one of the things that lead the Catholic Church astray.

What would have happened if Emperor Constantine would not have stopped the persecutions. Christianity was on the road to extermination and or being dominated by the Gnostics. You do not hear about the Gnostics being persecuted by the Romans because they were so secretive. The vison that Emperor Constantine saw....was Christ behind the merging of Christianity with the Roman Empire? It is a question because I or you cannot prove either way. But it was Christ that choose to bring the Pagans into Christianity and the Bible never said they had to give up all of their traditions.

And then what are going to do with the requirement for wedding ceremonies to be married. This custom strictly comes from Pagan sources. And the modern Christian wedding and reception is full of Pagan traditions and rituals.

Well timothy died two days later from a beating for exposing exactly HOW GOD felt about pagan traditions .
No , we must EXPOSE what is pagan no matter the cost to us . Timothy did not die in vain nor was he a hater
for exposing pagan falsehoods . Nor am i , though i have yet to be beaten for doing so .
The man was beat down my friend . beat down like a dog in the streets for exposing catagogian . he died two days later .
BUT DIED HAPPY HE DID and WAS PRESENT WITH THE KING whom he loved and served .
When i studied on catagogian , RATHER ODD how much it seems to FIT HALLOWEENS traditions .
I expose that pagan stuff and will do so unto the end . Just as i expose false teachers
and anything which can harm and NOT EDIFY the church .

 

[BreadOfLife]

That is my point the word Bishop did not exist....they called them Episkops.

And it is an idiotuc point because it means th SAME thins in a different language.
So, unless you're going to use the correct Hebrew words for Jesus, Moses. Peter, Mary, Paul and the rest - then you're just a hypocrite, aren't you?.

Are you saying that the term Pope is not a title?
Again the word Bishop is English it simply did not exist before the English language.

CORRECT.
"Pope" is NOT a title poff the Bishop of Rome.
An educated person would have known this . . .

As for "Episkopos/Bishop" - idiotic point tajen

That is my point the word Bishop did not exist....they called them Episkops.

Are you saying that the term Pope is not a title?
Again the word Bishop is English it simply did not exist before the English language.


LOL....Do you think that Ignatius spoke and wrote in English? I do not know if you are just trying to be coy or you are really this uninformed. What you have presented here is the English translation of what Ignatius wrote in Greek....He did not write the word bishop. And the word Eucharist is a modern Catholic term....as I said....Catholics use modern Catholic terms and titles and try to pass them off as being used in the early church. The word that Ignatius used was ευχαριστία which means thanksgiving. You can be sure that the little white host was not used in the first century. And Catholic is the Greek word Pankósmios....universal. The universal church. There is nothing about this that means that the Catholic Church existed in the 1st century.

LOL....Do you think that Ignatius spoke and wrote in English? I do not know if you are just trying to be coy or you are really this uninformed. What you have presented here is the English translation of what Ignatius wrote in Greek....He did not write the word bishop. And the word Eucharist is a modern Catholic term....as I said....Catholics use modern Catholic terms and titles and try to pass them off as being used in the early church. The word that Ignatius used was ευχαριστία which means thanksgiving. You can be sure that the little white host was not used in the first century. And Catholic is the Greek word Pankósmios....universal. The universal church. There is nothing about this that means that the Catholic Church existed in the 1st century.

Your ignorance is ASTOUNDING. It just blows me away . . .
What do you think "Eucharist" means, Einstein??
It means THANKSGIVING.

Do you think Hebrew and Greek are the ONLY langiuages in existence?
Because you don't undersyand EITHER.

As for the word "Catholic" - you are DEAD wrong.
And it doesn't just mean "universal".

Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:
“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”

Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας

The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “katah-holos”.

Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely
"ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Do your HOMEWORK instead of constantly LYING . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jerusalem truly is in bondage with her children today.

The RCC/Vatican is the Harlot that is guilty with the blood of the Saints for almost 2,000 years, whereas Israel/Jerusalem only came back into the world arena beginning in 1948.

Don't worry - that Harlot in Rome will soon burn when the LORD puts it in their hearts to do so.

The seven mountains are the seven continents where RCC commits her adultery with the kings of the earth.

Her harlot ways can be seen everywhere with Her blatant idolatry.

The RCC is swollen full with the harlot and soon she shall sit over JERSUALEM . mark my words friend .
THE WHORE IS UNIFYING all tribes , all religoins , all peoples to be AS ONE .
And headquaters will be JERSUALEM . That WHORE wont be heeded by me . PEROID .
lambs dont heed whores , harlots nor the mother of all abominations .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Like I said I understand how people can be offended by the Pagan aspects of Christianity. But I have to caution about people thinking they know what God thinks in these matters. This is one of the things that lead the Catholic Church astray.

What would have happened if Emperor Constantine would not have stopped the persecutions. Christianity was on the road to extermination and or being dominated by the Gnostics. You do not hear about the Gnostics being persecuted by the Romans because they were so secretive. The vison that Emperor Constantine saw....was Christ behind the merging of Christianity with the Roman Empire? It is a question because I or you cannot prove either way. But it was Christ that choose to bring the Pagans into Christianity and the Bible never said they had to give up all of their traditions.

And then what are going to do with the requirement for wedding ceremonies to be married. This custom strictly comes from Pagan sources. And the modern Christian wedding and reception is full of Pagan traditions and rituals.

What to YOU call the first day of the week? Or the 2md or 3rd or 4th, etc.??
What do YOU call the 12 divisions that make uo a year??
Do you waer a ring??
Tattoo??
Do you approve of cremation??
Do you like cake??

ALL of these things and MANY more originated in paganism,
Aye YOU a pagan - or are those meanins DEAD for you like they are for MOST of us?

 

[Jim B]

Its real simple . Christmas in itself is not pagan . But the brining in of decorating trees and ol satan clause GOTTA GO .
Passover is not evil . But the bunnies and eggs GOTTA GO .
We can keep the traditions , JUST MAKE SURE THEY HONOR THE ONE WE CLAIM TO BE HONORING .
and pagan things DONT HONOR HIM .
I celebrate these events WITH ZERO paganism attached . I mean I WANT HONOR HE WHO SAVED ME
when i REMEMBER his birth , his crucifiction , his ressurection . THE PAGAN GOTTA GO .
IF WE love GOD we can remember these things and have ZERO need to add in the pagan stuff .
Now it is true no one knows WHEN CHRIST was born . I have no problem celebrating his birth .
The day dont bother me . THE PAGAN STUFF DOES . The greed and the lust it has become bothers me as well .
IF we truly LOVED CHRIST , LOVED GOD , why bring anything offensive to HIM into ANY celebration .
ITS VERY SIMPLE TO DO THIS . JUST dont particpate in anything , no matter how cute and cutesy one triest to make it .
Another huge example . WHEN DID GOD ever say , OH its okay to dress up in pagan costumes , witches warlocks
wizards and etc. SO HELLOWEEN IS OUT . That one IS OUT . no christain should even sniff in that Celebration in any way .
As for the others , well as i wrote above , KEEP THE PAGAN OUT OF IT . HONOR GOD , HONOR CHRIST
and lets not decieve ourselves into thinking PAGAN TRASH honors GOD . WHEN in truth the reason we do it
Is cause we like to do it and we sure dont want to OFFEND ANYONE . ITs all a lie my friend .
We can honor GOD , we just cant HONOR HIM with evil . and its HIGH TIME folks learnt , learn and LEARNED THIS WELL .
forgive me english , i wrote it on purpose to make a point . SINCE most see me as a first grade educated red neck
from the hills who can only count to twenty if my shoes and socks are off .

WHAT does "But the brining in of decorating trees and ol satan clause GOTTA GO" possibly mean? Nobody I know "brines" their Christmas tree. And what does "of satan clause " mean? YOU ARE MAKING ZERO SENSE!

Why can't little children have fun at Easter with bunnies and eggs? Are they somehow evil to you? Really??? Kids should think of the resurrection as a time of joy.

"The greed and the lust "? What greed and lust???

Halloween is short for "hallowed evening", the evening before All Saints Day. The costumes are just kids having fun. Why is that so terrible? Why are little children asking for candy such a threat to you? Is your faith so weak? Are you so joyless and cynical?

Do you do anything pagan like watching sports on TV? Or TV programs in general? If you go out to a restaurant, do you plead with Christ to forgive you for enjoying yourself in a pagan manner?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??? IS THIS PERPETUAL CONDEMNATION OF EVERYONE BUT YOURSELF WHERE YOUR FAITH LEADS YOU? WHERE IS THE JOY OF THE LORD AND THE JOY IN WITNESSING HIS CREATION?

Romans 1:20a, "Ever since the creation of the world God’s eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been seen and understood through the things God has made."

 

[Jim B]

The RCC is swollen full with the harlot and soon she shall sit over JERSUALEM . mark my words friend .
THE WHORE IS UNIFYING all tribes , all religoins , all peoples to be AS ONE .
And headquaters will be JERSUALEM . That WHORE wont be heeded by me . PEROID .
lambs dont heed whores , harlots nor the mother of all abominations .

You are getting more and more sloppy and irrational!

While I am not a Catholic and disagree with much of their doctrine, they are CHRISTIANS and should be respected as brothers and sisters in Christ.

And what exactly does "The RCC is swollen full with the harlot and soon she shall sit over JERSUALEM" mean???

And which whore is "UNIFYING all tribes , all religoins [sic] , all peoples to be AS ONE"?

And where is "JERSUALEM"?

You are REALLY losing it, "amigo"!!!

 

[David in NJ]

The RCC is swollen full with the harlot and soon she shall sit over JERSUALEM . mark my words friend .
THE WHORE IS UNIFYING all tribes , all religoins , all peoples to be AS ONE .
And headquaters will be JERSUALEM . That WHORE wont be heeded by me . PEROID .
lambs dont heed whores , harlots nor the mother of all abominations .

Key to understanding - "mother of abominations"

"And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

Simple Bible study to SEE what these abominations are begins with 'idols/statues/worshipping the works of men's hands.......

 

[BreadOfLife]

That is my point the word Bishop did not exist....they called them Episkops.

Are you saying that the term Pope is not a title?
Again the word Bishop is English it simply did not exist before the English language.


LOL....Do you think that Ignatius spoke and wrote in English? I do not know if you are just trying to be coy or you are really this uninformed. What you have presented here is the English translation of what Ignatius wrote in Greek....He did not write the word bishop. And the word Eucharist is a modern Catholic term....as I said....Catholics use modern Catholic terms and titles and try to pass them off as being used in the early church. The word that Ignatius used was ευχαριστία which means thanksgiving. You can be sure that the little white host was not used in the first century. And Catholic is the Greek word Pankósmios....universal. The universal church. There is nothing about this that means that the Catholic Church existed in the 1st century.

Time for yet another Bible and Linguistics Lesson . . .

Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:
“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”

According to Strong’s Greek Concordance – which is used by Protestants AND Catholics alike – the verse is translated as:
“The true Church throughout all Judea . . .”

Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας

The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “katah-holos”.

Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely
"ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Ignaatius uses the term:
καθολικὴ ἐκκλησία - "ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.

You LOSE . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Key to understanding - "mother of abominations"

"And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

Simple Bible study to SEE what these abominations are begins with 'idols/statues/worshipping the works of men's hands.......

And ALL of that has always been condemned by the Church.
Do your homeworlk . . .

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon." Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast" refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.

 

[Grailhunter]

Well timothy died two days later from a beating for exposing exactly HOW GOD felt about pagan traditions .

Odds are that Timothy was objecting to worshipping Pagan gods not Pagan traditions.

 

[Grailhunter]

And it is an idiotuc point because it means th SAME thins in a different language.
So, unless you're going to use the correct Hebrew words for Jesus, Moses. Peter, Mary, Paul and the rest - then you're just a hypocrite, aren't you?.

CORRECT.
"Pope" is NOT a title poff the Bishop of Rome.
An educated person would have known this . . .

As for "Episkopos/Bishop" - idiotic point tajen

Your ignorance is ASTOUNDING. It just blows me away . . .
What do you think "Eucharist" means, Einstein??
It means THANKSGIVING.

Do you think Hebrew and Greek are the ONLY langiuages in existence?
Because you don't undersyand EITHER.

As for the word "Catholic" - you are DEAD wrong.
And it doesn't just mean "universal".

Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:
“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”

Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας

The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “katah-holos”.

Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely
"ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Do your HOMEWORK instead of constantly LYING . . .

Back at cha bro

 

[Grailhunter]

What to YOU call the first day of the week? Or the 2md or 3rd or 4th, etc.??
What do YOU call the 12 divisions that make uo a year??
Do you waer a ring??
Tattoo??
Do you approve of cremation??
Do you like cake??

ALL of these things and MANY more originated in paganism,
Aye YOU a pagan - or are those meanins DEAD for you like they are for MOST of us?

You need to read the post again

 

[Grailhunter]

Time for yet another Bible and Linguistics Lesson . . .

Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:
“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”

According to Strong’s Greek Concordance – which is used by Protestants AND Catholics alike – the verse is translated as:
“The true Church throughout all Judea . . .”

Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας

The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “katah-holos”.

Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely
"ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Ignaatius uses the term:
καθολικὴ ἐκκλησία - "ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.

You LOSE . . .

Like you have even a small understanding of linguistics.
From what you are saying you have none.

 

[Marymog]

As I said Peter was special. He is not silent. The word leader is not associated with him, but by definition all the Apostles were leaders.
On the topic of the Judaizers, he did not send a letter to James to explain to him how it was going to be....James made the decision, made the statement and sent the letter. By no means did he run the Gentile ministry, Paul was the leader of the Gentile Ministry. Peter was a great guy!

Bible scholars agree that Peter was the leader of the Apostles after the death of Jesus…YES, even your Protestant scholars agree with that. You reject scholarly study…I don’t care.

James deferred to Peter in Acst 15:14…..Simeon hath declared…..

Also, Vs 23 makes it clear that James and only james sent or signed a letter.

You should read scripture before commenting on it.