What is the one true Church?

[amigo de christo]

I dont care what anyone says about ya ziggy , I LOVES YA SISTER . now hit the trenches and let the LORD be praised n thanked .

 

[Taken]

Every time I think you’ve made the MOST idiotic statement you could make – you OUTDO yourself.

Thinking of you, wavers between laughable and distain.

Your claim above in RED is a supremely asinine statement. The Ten Commandments are NOT a “precursor” to

The first few Commandments apply directly to God – and the rest apply to your fellow man – PERIOD. They’re not “precursors” to our relationships with each other and with God- and are as pertinent today as they were when Moses received them from God.

Expected you would not comprehend man-KIND is taught relationships between and amongst man-KIND in preparation for an eternal relationship with the Lord God.

James, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit calls is “SIN” – period.

JEWS, call every violation of Jewish Law....a SIN!
DUH!

Oh, but that’s right your church is build upon Simon Peter, a Human Jewish man.

 

[Grailhunter]

I see you went to the Jack Chick Comic Book School of Theology.
Time for a Bible Lesson . . .

Dust off your Bible and turn to 1 Cor. 7: . . .

1 Cor. 7:8, 32-35, 38)
“To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do. . . . I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband. I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord. . . . he who marries his betrothed does well; and he who REFRAINS from marriage will do BETTER”

Paul taught that being married is a good thing – but to remain UNMARRIED is an even MORE excellent way to serve the Lord.
So much for YOUR perverted understanding . . .

This is one of the reasons that you cannot read the Bible like its the local Sunday paper.
For the Jews, for a guy to remain celibate, it was like spitting on the cross.
Could a celibate man be a Jewish religious leader.....? Look it up. LOL Scarcely any references to celibates are to be found in the Bible or in the Talmud, and no medieval rabbi is known to have lived as a celibate The Jewish Virtual Library
But it is easy to come to the belief that the New Testament has no focus on the family. That this modern focus on the family is a modern heresy! That the New Testament advocated celibacy for all Christians.

Now that would have been a popular religion!....LOL. Where do I sign up for that! In that time period a religion that promoted celibacy would have been a very strange idea....people like the word cult....it would have been considered a cult. It would have not really got anywhere or lasted anytime. But if it did?! Imagine what Christian churches would be like....with just single people with no families or children. Don't worry it would have never lasted that long. But the question did come up from the Church of Corinth.....Is it good for a man not to touch a woman.

1st Corinthians 7:1-8
7:1 Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband. 3 The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and [b]come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 But this I say by way of concession, not of command. 7 Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that. 8 But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. 9 But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Paul points out that the attempt at celibacy can lead to immorality and we can see what it has done to the Catholic Church. No, Christ loves children and Christianity loves families and there is a focus on the family.

Father and Son....Yahweh and Yeshua....they weren't buddies....they were family.....we are not buddies with God....we are family....the concept runs through the whole New Testament.

 

[rockytopva]

I am saved… But am not Messianic
I am saved… But am not Orthodox
I am saved… But am not Catholic
I am saved… But am not Protestant

Right now. I am saved… But not a full time member of any certain church!

I am uncomfortable with what goes on in a lot of places these days. If I ever find a church I can put the weight of my life on I will join. But… There are a lot of issues these days

 

[Taken]

I am saved… But am not Messianic
I am saved… But am not Orthodox
I am saved… But am not Catholic
I am saved… But am not Protestant

Right now. I am saved… But not a full time member of any certain church!

I am uncomfortable with what goes on in a lot of places these days. If I ever find a church I can put the weight of my life on I will join. But… There are a lot of issues these days

Personally I favor Christ’s Church....withIN me, open 24-7, no locked doors, any time, any place, no dress code, no fashion show, no gossip fest, no making business deals, no stage, no altar, no big screen sound system, no government saying can’t attend, no praying on cue, no “holy” water, no statues, no trinkets, no money required, no robotic rituals, no hooting and running around....blah, blah, blah.
Man-made churches have become corporate businesses.

 

[Grailhunter]

Prophecy foretold that there was to be a power that would inherit the character of those pagan empires listed in Daniel: Babylon, Meda-Persia, Greece, and Rome. A characteristic that Protestantism took a long time to shed, and has yet not done so completely... The panchant for appealing to the secular powers for support in establishing her doctrines upon society. Though not all Christian, the founding fathers of your nation understood the danger of welcoming Catholic clergy into the new world. The early settlers were escaping clerical tyranny, sadly, they brought a lot of the mindset with them, and my understanding of prophecy is that it will be a fallen protestant America which appeals to government to legislate religious doctrine.

Very good points but my answer would way to long.

 

[Brakelite]

Very good points but my answer would way to long.

I understand. There are numerous nuances and permutations. History repeated many times as lessons either not learnt, or deliberately repeated, but coming out of apostasy was a long slow painstaking laborious process. It is a very difficult and complicated subject... What I wrote above is the bare minimum, but what I believe was a generally accepted historical trend.

 

[Grailhunter]

I understand. There are numerous nuances and permutations. History repeated many times as lessons either not learnt, or deliberately repeated, but coming out of apostasy was a long slow painstaking laborious process. It is a very difficult and complicated subject... What I wrote above is the bare minimum, but what I believe was a generally accepted historical trend.

I am not trying to be coy or evade the question. I am simply humbled by the number of relatively good interpretations of the prophecies. Most of the prophetic books were written in the Hebrew Bible. Since prophetic writings have their own style which is not necessarily clearly stated, it is all about interpretation. The Jews interpret the prophecies in the Hebrew Bible differently than the Christians.

In college I heard several good interpretations....both Jewish and Christian and I cannot say I have confidence in any of them. The Book of Revelation is almost its own topic. I have always planned to lay it all out and come up with my own conclusions, but I am thinking that would take a large barn or hall. But I have not gotten a "round tuit" yet. LOL

 

[Illuminator]

Catholic priest sues after allegedly being fired from hospital for answering patient questions about marriage​

 

[Ziggy]

Catholic priest sues after allegedly being fired from hospital for answering patient questions about marriage​

I have a question. And this goes for ALL denominations.
But this post fits perfectly.

How do we or how should we understand this verse in regards to this post?

Mat 5:38
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

Wouldn't the right thing to do be, shake the dust from your feet and find another hospital?

Hugs

 

[Taken]

I am not trying to be coy or evade the question. I am simply humbled by the number of relatively good interpretations of the prophecies. Most of the prophetic books were written in the Hebrew Bible. Since prophetic writings have their own style which is not necessarily clearly stated, it is all about interpretation. The Jews interpret the prophecies in the Hebrew Bible differently than the Christians.

In college I heard several good interpretations....both Jewish and Christian and I cannot say I have confidence in any of them. The Book of Revelation is almost its own topic. I have always planned to lay it all out and come up with my own conclusions, but I am thinking that would take a large barn or hall. But I have not gotten a "round tuit" yet. LOL

@Brakelite
@Grailhunter

It all boils down to the Everlasting Invisible Heavenly Holy Lord God Almighty, the Creator and Maker....

The KNOWLEDGE revealed (per Gods Order and Way) for every individual to have access to the KNOWLEDGE...
To Freely Individually Choose to Believe it or Not...
and their end consequence shall be exacted...With or Without.

It is individual MEN, (for a multitude of individual reasons), Who become the “teachers” (with whatever Title they wear), all choosing their own “style, manner, way, they teach and do by their own example, and often a plethora of their own concocted “teaching” materials. (Books, pamphlets, diagrams, letters, notes, videos, doctrines, rituals, etc.), with the “intent” of convincing any listener to “follow them, their way”.... to “perfect acceptance of God”.

And certainly, Clout, plays a big part in convincing others to “follow them”...
Meaning if “many” ARE following them, by some magical inference, “THEY must be Right”.

Scandals, Political control, Underhanded backroom conniving, Denials, Secrets, Immorality, have plagued, Fractured, every Major (an Minor) man-establish Religious Organization...

Bottom line is SIMPLE...
Follow the Lord God Almighty;
He alone Reveals the HOW TO be WITH or WITHOUT Him;
He Established the “middle man” JESUS (for the corrupt man to Establish a relationship WITH God.)
Listen to His Knowledge;
Ask Him for His Understanding of His Knowledge;
Decide, Choose, Commit, or Reject...
SIMPLE....

(That has not one iota to do with what any other individual, teaches, does, does not do.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[lforrest]

I have a question. And this goes for ALL denominations.
But this post fits perfectly.

How do we or how should we understand this verse in regards to this post?

Mat 5:38
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

Wouldn't the right thing to do be, shake the dust from your feet and find another hospital?

Hugs

Well, if it were an individual I would agree. But it is a government entity with no soul to win, or conscience to sear with guilt.

 

[Marymog]

You were answered. However I can not understand it for you.
Test all things. Ya think God does not test every individuals HEARTS THOUGHTS to SEE IF THEY BELIEVE IN HIM....or NOT?



Clearly told you I TRUST Jesus’ Chosen Teachers....(Apostles)

Thanks for sharing YOU DO NOT TRUST the Apostles teachings.
Guess you learned that in Catholic school.

You crack me up Taken.....NO, You didn't answer!!

I have you figured out Taken......You trust YOUR interpretation of the teachings of the Apostles OR you trust the men who taught you that interpretation of the teachings of the Apostles OR you have a mixture of both: you accept some of the things your men have taught you AND you reject some of the things your men have taught you and accept what you have taught yourself.

It's pretty simple kiddo.....YOU will always be right because YOU know how to "test all things"...YOU trust YOU!!

I don't trust in the Apostles teachings????????? Huh???? That makes no sense kiddo.....

I learned 2 Peter 3:16 in Catholic school. You skipped that passage!

 

[Marymog]

How dumb was your question....first time around....??
You completely DID NOT MENTION THEY DYING....

Did your Catholic teaching not teach you, Salvation FOLLOWS a death?
(Including confession AND crucified with Jesus)....IS SAVED.
Salvation is GIFTED to every individual who believes in their Heart, on the day they die IN BELIEF. SHALL BE SAVED.
The Knowledge in every individuals heart, is known by God.
Did your Catholic teaching not teach you, God is ALL-KNOWING?

Are you gonna answer the question or keep giving me word salads that mean nothing?


Never mind....I got you in a pickle by using your own theology against you and you can't get out of it. RUN from those men that are teaching you Taken RUN!!!

 

[Ziggy]

Well, if it were an individual I would agree. But it is a government entity with no soul to win, or conscience to sear with guilt.

Is it for the government entities benefit that you turn the other cheek, or for God's benefit.
Who recieves the glory, the government or God?

Why brush off the dust from your feet when you are not accepted?
Are they not accepting you, or rather the one whom sent you?
Is this Priest acting on his own behalf or on God's who sent him?


Hugs

 

[Jim B]

Rev 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

I repeat: You see the world one way but God sees it exactly the opposite way!

 

[Jim B]

This isn't a statement to be taken personal.
The spiritual condition of the world is truly in peril.
All of the leaders are seeking their own gain.
People are killing people in the streets.
Are you saying that Chicago and LA and Detroit are figments of my imagination?
Drug abuse, mental illness... I could go on..
All of these are symptoms of sin.
And when you witness violence in the streets and the media tells you it's a peaceful protest..
You can't hear the lies they spew right in your face???
London Bridge is falling down. And on one hand that is good, this babylon system needs to fall.
But on the other is much pain and suffering.
Chemicals being spilled into rivers, people in the vacinity frightened they can't drink the water, that it will make them sick.
Food processing plants all of a sudden burning to the ground. Children dying from fentynal brought in by drug cartels, and whoever is seeking to earn a living for trafficking.
You don't see people accusing people for anything and everything, because they don't think alike? And no one willing to take responsibility for anything?

Are you blind man?

I know God has this. I know babylon has to fall. But it's devouring innocent people on it's way down.
And those at the top haven't felt it yet, but they will. In the meantime they just keep on keeping on, making everything hard for everyone else for their own selfish reasons.

I know you see this.
Am I lying?

The sinful character of the unsaved hasn't changed since Cain killed Abel. Are you unaware of the reality of history? I don't think that uou're lying intentionally, but not looking at what has always occurred.

 

[Jim B]

I wont move to china or russia . My love for the peoples to help them and to warn against error
is my reason . It wont matter where one moves , what matters is that we follow the biblical Christ
and teach HIS teachings . I aint looking for the easy road , nor do i fear any kind of persecution .
Why run . There is no where in this world that evil does not exist . Rather i shall expose the darkness
and point to Christ . And that includes warning against false leaders and all who would decieve and fleece their flocks .
I aint the enemy jim . I just want what is best for you .

You wrote this earlier: The thing that awaits true non conforming christains is persecution from the conformed ones . Soon enough all will unite as one under the common lie of this wisely crafted false love religion .
As many are already . Soon enough even preaching CHRIST as the only means for salvation , that one has
to believe in HIM will be seen as totally offensive to the sold out realm of christendom and the united religoins
they come to believe worship the same GOD that christians do . Its a lie of course"

Aside from your usual atrocious, careless English, all you can see is doom and gloom. Where is the peace that we have in Christ? Since you go on and on and on and on accusing everyone, including Christians, you should pay attention to this verse...

"If I speak in the tongues of humans and of angels but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal." 1 Corinthians 13:1

 

[Ziggy]

I repeat: You see the world one way but God sees it exactly the opposite way!

I see the world from many perspectives.
God is the Judge.
And whether you are unjust or filthy, or righteous and holy, He will judge with righteous judgement what rewards belong to whom.

Mar 2:17
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

These are not my words, they are his.
Hugs

 

[BreadOfLife]

many within both the protestant realm and yes even the catholic one , now believe God is fine with all paths
all religoins , that we do serve the same GOD . They did a poll on it .
Its almost seventy percent that now beleive this . Not all Catholics do nor do all protestants , but the majority of them do .
Fact .

That’s NOT what you said – so you can stop LYING now.
YOU made a blanket statement about CATHOLICS when you idiotically stated:
“THEY actually believe even mormons follow the same JESUS”

Now, you’re back-pedaling – and NOT because you realize what a STUPID comment this was but because you got caught LYING.

God STILL hates liars . . .
Exod. 20:16, Prov. 6:16-19. Prov. 12:22, Rev. 21:8