What is the one true Church?

[David in NJ]

That's a cowardly non-answer.

Please explain how the idea that the Catholic Church taught the WORLD - including your Protestant Fathers about where the Holy Spirit comes from is "funny".

Simple Children's Book Truth = "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

 

[Jim B]

Only the ministry of the RCC aint HIS CHURCH . JESUS would REBUKE it and so would peter and er other apostel .
Learn that well .

Learn what well? Poor English???

 

[Taken]

HAIL MARY = HELLO MARY

MARY FULL OF GRACE = MARY FULL OF UNMERITED FAVOR

Now take notice:
Catholics have MADE MARY an exception to Gods Word...

Rom 3:
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

^^ (Mary excepted, is False teaching).

 

[Taken]

Simple Children's Book Truth = "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

LOL...BOL...LOL

 

[rockytopva]

The Spiritual World... If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

Unfortunately, though, the light and the darkness interact here on planet Earth...Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ d (darkness)...

Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

And we have yet another realm in which we call the flesh...

Pride
Laziness
Adultery
Uncleanliness
Witchcraft
Wrath
Strife
Heresies

So... Three spiritual worlds here...

Light
Flesh
Darkness

I do not know of any particular denomination where all the folks dwell in the realms of spiritual light. You will always have those who dabble into the world of flesh and darkness. And to study church history will reveal much wickedness in any of the established church histories.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Simple Children's Book Truth = "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

How does that address your statement that it’s “funny” that the Church taught the world about the Holy Spirit?

Why are you so afraid to address this?

 

[David in NJ]

How does that address your statement that it’s “funny” that the Church taught the world about the Holy Spirit?

Why are you so afraid to address this?

True Courage is believing God at His Word without doubting.

 

[BreadOfLife]

HAIL MARY = HELLO MARY

MARY FULL OF GRACE = MARY FULL OF UNMERITED FAVOR

As I educated you in my previous post – that’s NOT what the Angel said.

He said, “Hail, KECHARITOMENE (“completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace”), which indicates a completed action with a permanent result..

Now take notice:
Catholics have MADE MARY an exception to Gods Word...

Rom 3:
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

^^ (Mary excepted, is False teaching).

How so, Einstein?

The Bible also says:
Heb. 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

I can think of TW exceptions: Enoch and Elijah
Sooooo, according to YOUR moronic rules – God can make exceptions – but NOT for Mary.

 

[BreadOfLife]

True Courage is believing God at His Word without doubting.

That's great, Einstein- but you wouldn't even HAVE a Bible had it not been for the Catholic Church who declared the Canon of Scripture in the 4th century.

That's about 1100 years BEOFRE your Protestant Fathers were even born . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

* Here is Appropriate teaching...

JESUS SINLESS;
1 Pet 2:22 Jesus: committed NO sin.
2 Corn 5:21 Jesus: knew NO sin.
Heb 4:15 Jesus: without sin.
1 John 3:5 In Jesus; No sin.
1 Pet 1:19 Jesus; Spotless

* Here is Catholic “fathers” teaching...

Catholic “fathers” teaching Mary sinless.....
Scripture .... Missing
Gobbledgook .... Catholic “fathers”

OBVIOUS GLARING CONTRAST!

Hey - don't blame ME or the Church because YOU are ignorant of Mary's title of "Kecharitomene" (Luke 1:28) . . .

 

[David in NJ]

That's great, Einstein- but you wouldn't even HAVE a Bible had it not been for the Catholic Church who declared the Canon of Scripture in the 4th century.

That's about 1100 years BEOFRE your Protestant Fathers were even born . . .

God directs the hearts and minds of even those who are ungodly to perform His will on earth.

As HE said to Pharoah: "But indeed for this purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth."

 

[BreadOfLife]

God directs the hearts and minds of even those who are ungodly to perform His will on earth.

As HE said to Pharoah: "But indeed for this purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth."

Nice try – but there is not ONE SINGLE Scriptural example where God reveals His sacred Word to His people through the authority of a “godless” power.

It was ALWAYS through an approved, godly source - Moses and the Prophets in the OT and His Church in the NT.
YOU have a Bible because of the Catholic Church . . .

 

[David in NJ]

Nice try – but there is not ONE SINGLE Scriptural example where God reveals His sacred Word to His people through the authority of a “godless” power.

It was ALWAYS through an approved, godly source - Moses and the Prophets in the OT and His Church in the NT.
YOU have a Bible because of the Catholic Church . . .

HE did it with Pharoah and Egypt and HE did with other kings as well.

Read the Book of Daniel

 

[Taken]

As I educated you in my previous post – that’s NOT what the Angel said.

He said, “Hail, KECHARITOMENE (“completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace”), which indicates a completed action with a permanent result..

How so, Einstein?

Well

The Bible also says:
Heb. 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

I can think of TW exceptions: Enoch and Elijah
Sooooo, according to YOUR moronic rules – God can make exceptions – but NOT for Mary.

As I educated you in my previous post – that’s NOT what the Angel said.

He said, “Hail, KECHARITOMENE (“completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace”), which indicates a completed action with a permanent result..

How so, Einstein?

The Bible also says:
Heb. 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

I can think of TW exceptions: Enoch and Elijah
Sooooo, according to YOUR moronic rules – God can make exceptions – but NOT for Mary.

* Concerning Jesus’ Sinlessness, I gave you 5 explicit Scriptural examples.
* Concerning the Catholics “supposed” Mary’s Sinlessness, you repeatedly bloviate irrelevant psychobabble.
* Fact is: there is NOT ONE Scripture that says Mary was Sinless.

Matters NOT to me IF Enoch and Elijah are DEAD or ALIVE. Neither serve me, and In what manner and when they Serve God is between God and THEM.

Every single HUMAN SHALL DIE.
And NO Human was naturally born WITHOUT SIN.

 

[Grailhunter]

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us...” — John 17:20, 21

It is often asked, “What is the right denomination?” There are hundreds, if not thousands of denominations all claiming to be this one true church, but does God recognize any of these as His representative on earth? This subject should be approached prayerfully and honestly. If there was but one church in the beginning, established by our Lord, there should be but the one church in the end — the church triumphant in glory. Colossians 3:4

The word church was first used in the New Testament and is a translation of the Greek word ekklesia, which means a calling out. Jesus said to his disciples, “I have chosen you out of the world.” (John 15:19) The true church is a company of believers who, in accepting the invitation of Christ, have become sanctified or separated from the world, worldly pursuits and worldly organizations.

Those of the early church bore no denominational names, but were simply identified by their location. “Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, …sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints…” (1 Corinthians 1:2) These sanctified individuals in various communities set themselves apart from the world and dedicate their lives to God through the merit of His Son. Thus, the true church is not a place to go to, nor is it a denomination to belong to. The church is the gathering of sincere believers. Paul emphasized this when he confirmed that Jesus’ followers were baptized only into Christ and not into an earthly organization. There is but one baptism, and that is into Christ. Thus, it is a misconception that one joins or is baptized into a particular church denomination. Ephesians 4:4-6; Galatians 3:27; Romans 6:3, 4

Is there one true church? Not that I know of and I have traveled the world and have been formally educated on the matter. For that reason and others I fellowship with several different denominations....

Why are there no true churches....denominations? Several reasons.....and it is historical....
1. Most Christians have a tendency to favor false beliefs.
2. Over that last 2000 years so many false beliefs have been promulgated.
3. Christians have a tendency to favor beliefs that they can use to condemn others and edify themselves.
4. The unknowledgeable and uneducated preaching false beliefs from the pulpit and innocent and trusting people believing them.
5. The unknowledgeable and uneducated forming denominations.

Most of these false beliefs originated as personal beliefs that cannot be found in the scriptures but have become very popular.
Still many of the denominations can lead people to Christ and salvation. That is why I fellowship with so many denominations, over looking the errors in their beliefs to worship the Lord with them.

It is easier to point out the false churches.....anything to do with OSAS....Calvinism.....Jehovah's Witnesses. New age churches that embrace LGBTQ and new age mysticism.
So my best advise is to find a church with a good Christian spirit.....that focuses on loving God and one another, fellowship and praising the Lord in prayer and song.

 

[BreadOfLife]

HE did it with Pharoah and Egypt and HE did with other kings as well.

Read the Book of Daniel

WRONG.
God worked His will though those evil men - but He NEVER revealed the Scriptures through them.

That was ALWAYS done through Moses, the Prophets or His Church,

 

[Illuminator]

I do not know of any particular denomination where all the folks dwell in the realms of spiritual light. You will always have those who dabble into the world of flesh and darkness. And to study church history will reveal much wickedness in any of the established church histories.

And to study hagiography will reveal much virtue and holiness in every century. "those who dabble into the world of flesh and darkness" have never been good role models. They stand out like a sore thumb. We all have role models, it's normal to human experience. It's a universal feature of human beings. It goes both ways. Children imitate their parents vices and virtues, no matter how frequently they get dragged off to church. But I digress...

We can't help but be amazed when a person continues to perform miracles (through grace alone) centuries after they died. They must have attained a high degree of sanctity at some point in their life.

The most important form of honoring the saints, to which all the other forms are related, is the imitation of them in their relationship with God. Paul wrote extensively about the importance of spiritual imitation. He stated: “I urge you, then, be imitators of me. Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church” (1 Cor. 4:16–17). The author of the book of Hebrews also stresses the importance of imitating true spiritual leaders: “Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate their faith” (Heb. 13:7).

I believe there are many unsung heroes of the faith in every denomination. It shows in their virtue, not in the number of cliches they know.

Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

 

[David in NJ]

As I educated you in my previous post – that’s NOT what the Angel said.

He said, “Hail, KECHARITOMENE (“completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace”), which indicates a completed action with a permanent result..

How so, Einstein?

The Bible also says:
Heb. 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

I can think of TW exceptions: Enoch and Elijah
Sooooo, according to YOUR moronic rules – God can make exceptions – but NOT for Mary.

YES, the Scripture gives us a clear view of Enoch and Elijah and God taking them UP.

But no Mary - nope, she died here on earth and neither Jesus, nor the Holy Spirit, nor any of the Apostles gave any credence to Mary being exalted above and certainly zero veneration of her.

To do so would be the sin of idolatry = just as God has said.

Mary was created for God's Glory and never for her to be prayed to or worshipped in any manner whatsoever.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well




* Concerning Jesus’ Sinlessness, I gave you 5 explicit Scriptural examples.
* Concerning the Catholics “supposed” Mary’s Sinlessness, you repeatedly bloviate irrelevant psychobabble.
* Fact is: there is NOT ONE Scripture that says Mary was Sinless.

Matters NOT to me IF Enoch and Elijah are DEAD or ALIVE. Neither serve me, and In what manner and when they Serve God is between God and THEM.

Every single HUMAN SHALL DIE.
And NO Human was naturally born WITHOUT SIN.

WRONG.

I already showed you that Enoch and Elijah did NOT die.
And it's funny how you say that in their case - it's "between God and them".
However - you're NOT willing to say the same about Mary.

WHY is that, Einstein?
Why can't it be between God and Mary??

 

[BreadOfLife]

YES, the Scripture gives us a clear view of Enoch and Elijah and God taking them UP.

But no Mary - nope, she died here on earth and neither Jesus, nor the Holy Spirit, nor any of the Apostles gave any credence to Mary being exalted above and certainly zero veneration of her.

To do so would be the sin of idolatry = just as God has said.

Mary was created for God's Glory and never for her to be prayed to or worshipped in any manner whatsoever.

You’re absolutely ignorant about what “idolatry” is.
Allow me to educate you . . .

Idolatry is the WORSHIP of someone or something other than God.
To venerate or honor somebody is NOT idolatry.
Moses was venerated and honored by the Israelites. People stood in Peter’s shadow so that they would be healed of their diseases (Acts 5:15).
Were Moses and Peter "worshipped"??

To ASK Mary to pray for us is NO different than YOU asking a loved one to pray for YOU.
She is part of the Body of Christ – and regardless of what YOU say, she was never kicked OUT of the Body . . .