What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

[St. SteVen]

the magnify and praise is the result of spontaneous interpretation of the tongues.

That's a new term to me. "spontaneous interpretation of the tongues."
Are you thinking that the "praising God" in Acts 10:46 and the prophecy in Acts 19:6 were the interpretation of the tongues given?
If so, that's an interesting reading of the text.

I would say that I think the tongues spoken in these two passages was a personal prayer language, as an
evidence of the baptism with the Spirit, rather than the gift of addressing the congregation with a message.

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[Webers_Home]

He that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God, for in the spirit he
speaketh mysteries.

I prefer not to speak in mysteries when it's much easier to be direct.

● 1Cor 14:14-15 . . For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth,
but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit,
and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I
will sing with the understanding also.

In other words: people who pray in a language with which they are
unfamiliar don't really know what they're saying. It could even be they're
actually reciting the Gettysburg Address or a Betty Crocker recipe. I think
the Spirit might have trouble revising those kinds of prayers into something
worth God's attention.

● Rom 8:26 . . The Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what
we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans
that words cannot express.

Intercession in that case can be thought of as assistance with an area of
expertise in which mortal men are amateurs. In other words; it's a silent,
invisible, activity whereby the Spirit moderates our prayers and revises them
as need require so as to make them acceptable to God's ears.
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[JLB]

That's a new term to me. "spontaneous interpretation of the tongues."
Are you thinking that the "praising God" in Acts 10:46 and the prophecy in Acts 19:6 were the interpretation of the tongues given?
If so, that's an interesting reading of the text.

I would say that I think the tongues spoken in these two passages was a personal prayer language, as an
evidence of the baptism with the Spirit, rather than the gift of addressing the congregation with a message.

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Yes.

You will experience this phenomenon when you pray extensively in tongues or when you first receive the baptism with the Spirit.


Your spirit rejoices in the power and refreshing of the Spirit filling your spirit.

 

[JLB]

That's a new term to me. "spontaneous interpretation of the tongues."

Tongues or interpretation of tongues or prophecy is a spontaneous expression of the Spirit through your spirit.

 

[Truther]

I prefer not to speak in mysteries when it's much easier to be direct.

● 1Cor 14:14-15 . . For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth,
but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit,
and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I
will sing with the understanding also.

In other words: people who pray in a language with which they are
unfamiliar don't really know what they're saying. It could even be they're
actually reciting the Gettysburg Address or a Betty Crocker recipe. I think
the Spirit might have trouble revising those kinds of prayers into something
worth God's attention.

● Rom 8:26 . . The Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what
we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans
that words cannot express.

Intercession in that case can be thought of as assistance with an area of
expertise in which mortal men are amateurs. In other words; it's a silent,
invisible, activity whereby the Spirit moderates our prayers and revises them
as need require so as to make them acceptable to God's ears.
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You’re missing out on having your human spirit pray directly to God. The carnal man cannot pray like that. It is cluttered with carnal thoughts. It even shuts down our prayers unless we are in desperate situations. I sometimes pray with my human spirit to a point that I lose my desire to sin altogether. I can never do that via carnal praying.

 

[Webers_Home]

Have you prayed in tongues before ?

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, viz: the best time for people
to stop a bad habit is before they start it.
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[Truther]

Prevention is the best cure, viz: the best time for people to stop a bad habit
is before they start it.
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Have you also engaged in preventing people from being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins?

 

[Webers_Home]

Have you also engaged in preventing people from being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for
the remission of their sins?

Just about every forum I've been on since 1997 has had at least one thread
engaged in Christian baptism. Well; I went down that rabbit hole once or twice,
but never again 'cause it's a hot-button topic that typically always ends up as
a perpetual pie fight and/or a running gun battle that never gets to the bottom
of anything.
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[Truther]

Just about every forum I've been on since 1997 has had at least one thread
engaged in Christian baptism. Well; I went down that rabbit hole once or twice,
but never again 'cause it's a hot-button topic that typically always ends up as
a perpetual pie fight and/or a running gun battle that never gets to the bottom
of anything.
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I think it is better to debate a cause without settling it then to settle it without debating it

 

[talons]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, viz: the best time for people
to stop a bad habit is before they start it.
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Surely , but first you need to verify the habit is bad , have you ?

 

[Webers_Home]

first you need to verify the habit is bad , have you ?

Food Fight!!!
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[talons]

Food Fight!!!
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Turkey legs at ten paces .

 

[St. SteVen]

New topic:

Why you don't have to speak in tongues - Or do you?

If you don't have to, why bother? - You don't have to go to church. - Or do you? - You don't have to pray. - Or do you? - You don't have to worship God. - Or do you? - You don't have to read your Bible. - Or do you? - You don't have to support the church. - Or do you? - You don't have to help...

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[St. SteVen]

Rare Footage Of Heavenly Angels Caught On Camera During A Baptism In The 1980s

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[PGS11]

It brings awareness of sin without the Holy Spirit there is no awareness of sin against God they sense the sin but do not believe it or feel guilt and cannot believe it without faith in God.Some do feel guilt but do not know why because they do not believe.

 

[St. SteVen]

It brings awareness of sin without the Holy Spirit there is no awareness of sin against God they sense the sin but do not believe it or feel guilt and cannot believe it without faith in God.Some do feel guilt but do not know why because they do not believe.

From my perspective, you are describing the indwelling of the Spirit, not the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
As I understand it, the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is a subsequent event that follows the indwelling.

Post #15 of the topic below gives testimony to the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. Quoted below.

Reader Poll - Bible Reading - BEFORE or AFTER you became a Christian?

Did you read the Bible BEFORE you became a Christian, or AFTER? I have heard testimonies of people reading the Bible before becoming Christians. I assumed it was a rare occurrence. Someone seeking God. rather than God seeking them. Discussion. [

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"I think if I had to put a date on it, it might have been on a random Sunday night in my 30s, when I went to not-my-normal-church. The pastor did something I have never seen before or since. About 3 sentences into his sermon, he stopped, and said that God was telling him not to preach, and rather to have anyone who needed prayer come down to the altar to be prayed for instead of having a sermon.

God told me to go down to the altar. I resisted at first... I didn't need an altar call... honestly nobody who's attending church on Sunday night does... but God was persistent. I stepped forward, and I was filled with the Holy Ghost... along with just about everyone who went. The service was a mess. There were people falling, and speaking in tongues, and holy laughter. I wasn't even sure I believed in those things." - Wick Stick

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[Ritajanice]

We have a new heart and spirit within, obviously as we grow in Christ, we will become more and more like him....I think it’s called the sanctification process...

The moment our spirit is reborn/ Born Again...that is when the Spirit starts working in our hearts....and will continue to do so, just as Gods word says...he started a work in us and will never stop working in our” hearts” as that is where we know the Father.

We are being conformed into the image of Jesus....

 

[Ritajanice]

. I stepped forward, and I was filled with the Holy Ghost

When you say filled, does that mean that the Spirit has taken up permanent residence in your spirit/ heart?

Flesh gives birth to flesh.......Spirit gives birth to spirit.

 

[Traveler]

In answer to the original question. When you do actually get baptised by the Holy spirt you will know it. It feels like getting anointed with oil that runs down to the soles of your feet and then bounces back up again. In my case it happened quite a few years after being baptised in water.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
. I stepped forward, and I was filled with the Holy Ghost

When you say filled, does that mean that the Spirit has taken up permanent residence in your spirit/ heart?

Flesh gives birth to flesh.......Spirit gives birth to spirit.

That testimony was in reference to a subsequent experience of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
The person that gave the testimony (Wick Stick) already had the indwelling Spirit.

It seems that you got both at once, which is possible, obviously.
But it doesn't happen that way for everyone.

Yes. When I believed, I was given the indwelling Spirit as a guarantee of what is to come,
AND I also received the Baptism with the Holy Spirit as a subsequent event some time later.
Which enables me to operate in the power of the Spirit as God wills.
The Spirit has taken up permanent residence, as you say.

I followed the typical pattern of receiving the Baptism with the Holy Spirit as a subsequent event.
I was seventeen years old when I read Bill Bright's tract: How to Live the Spirit-Filled Life. (actual title below)
I prayed the prayer at the end and received the Baptism with the Spirit.

The strange thing is that Bill Bright is an Evangelical. (not Pentecostal/Charismatic)
He wrote the tract: Have You Heard of the Four Spiritual Laws?
Which I used to use for personal evangelism.

Amazing that the tract that presented a subsequent experience was embraced by evangelicals.
The Baptism with the Holy Spirit is contrary to evangelical Cessationist doctrine. (anti-Pentecostal/Charismatic)



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