What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

[Fred J]

My #1 rule is not to talk about anything that you have not experienced yourself.

Am having a reasonable understanding being disciple by the Holy Bible, and that's a spiritual experience by itself

If you never had a heart attack, don't give advice on it.

Did i give an advice on 'heart attack'? Grow up yada, yada yourself.

If you have never met or talked to angels, don't talk about it.

As it is written, Ye are of GOD, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.

And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of Light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Is there anywhere in the New Testament scripture call us to meet and talk to angels?

Are you meeting and talking to angels?

If you are, then you're an 'imposter' and 'counterfeit' in Christendom.

If you've never spoken in tongues, don't talk about it.

i speak in English tongue, and am able to find some one from another nation who can speak the same language. What's the point i speak in tongue that no one understand, including me?

Jesus said, "You adulteress and perverse generation always looking for signs and wonders."

Those who speak these tongues, speak aimlessly and for entertainment purposes, since they haven't a clue the meanings.

I'm tired of "experts" talking about a subject they have never experienced,

Seems like you're lost and need of an expert to lead you by the cane.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I except your testimony. I will not limit the Holy Spirit of God.
But what is your understanding of the manifestation gift of the interpretation of tongues if God is doing it in the ears of the hearers?

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It says that those 3,000 then believed and were baptized. The teenage girl in Arizona also believed and became a Christian.

You have faith. I do too and when I hear of miracles I never doubt. And just like the talents, we receive more. And those who live in doubt, what faith they had will be taken from them.

 

[Truther]

St. SteVen said:
That's good. Chapter 14 also says this.

1 Corinthians 14:2 NIV
For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. ...

I wouldn't go that far with it.
It is a glorious thing to surrender our tongue to the Spirit. (battery charger mode) - LOL

Prophecy and the "interpretation" of tongues are in our own language but certainly a manifestation of the Spirit.
And hopefully the Spirit of God is always engaged with our mind and what we speak. We yield our most unruly member.
Not to mention taking every thought captive to make it obedient to Christ.

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What I mean by praying with the spirit in tongues and also in chapter 14, it says singing in tongues with the spirit. Is speaking of your human spirit praying but you’re understanding being unfruitful. Our understanding is our carnal thinking. There is an inner man that is spiritual that prays and sings to God that when we yield our tongues in unknown tongues, it is effectively praying that our carnal man does not know about. It is a normal supernatural part of the Christian walk.

 

[Truther]

Really - this is nonsense...

Do you think Paul did all his preaching and teaching in tongues ???

I am talking about praying in the spirit. Praying coming from the inner man. It is not from your carnal thinking. Paul did not pray to sinners, but to God. Neither do we. I think you got your wires crossed respectfully.

 

[Rockerduck]

Am having a reasonable understanding being disciple by the Holy Bible, and that's a spiritual experience by itself

Did i give an advice on 'heart attack'? Grow up yada, yada yourself.

As it is written, Ye are of GOD, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.

And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of Light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Is there anywhere in the New Testament scripture call us to meet and talk to angels?

Are you meeting and talking to angels?

If you are, then you're an 'imposter' and 'counterfeit' in Christendom.

i speak in English tongue, and am able to find some one from another nation who can speak the same language. What's the point i speak in tongue that no one understand, including me?

Jesus said, "You adulteress and perverse generation always looking for signs and wonders."

Those who speak these tongues, speak aimlessly and for entertainment purposes, since they haven't a clue the meanings.

Seems like you're lost and need of an expert to lead you by the cane.

Romans 12:9-12 - Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. 10 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; 11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I except your testimony. I will not limit the Holy Spirit of God.
But what is your understanding of the manifestation gift of the interpretation of tongues if God is doing it in the ears of the hearers?

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I asked a pastor once about what he hears when he gives the interpretation of tongues from a message in tongues. He said, he hears English and repeats what he heard. What is interesting about those who speak against tongues because they hear blasphemies, is that blasphemy is what they hear through a lying demonic spirit.

 

[St. SteVen]

I asked a pastor once about what he hears when he gives the interpretation of tongues from a message in tongues. He said, he hears English and repeats what he heard. What is interesting about those who speak against tongues because they hear blasphemies, is that blasphemy is what they hear through a lying demonic spirit.

Thanks. Interesting to hear your view on these things.
I wonder how the pastor knew it was a message in tongues if he heard it in English. ???

I met someone on a forum that explained how the gift of the interpretation of tongues worked for him.
He said it worked the same as prophecy. When you feel the nudge to prophecy, you open your mouth in faith and speak it forth.
Same with interpretation. And the interpretation isn't necessarily a word-for-word translation. It can be a commentary.
Speaking in tongues works the same way. Open your mouth and let it come forth. It's a manifestation of the Spirit.

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[1stCenturyLady]

Thanks. Interesting to hear your view on these things.
I wonder how the pastor knew it was a message in tongues if he heard it in English. ???

I met someone on a forum that explained how the gift of the interpretation of tongues worked for him.
He said it worked the same as prophecy. When you feel the nudge to prophecy, you open your mouth in faith and speak it forth.
Same with interpretation. And the interpretation isn't necessarily a word-for-word translation. It can be a commentary.
Speaking in tongues works the same way. Open your mouth and let it come forth. It's a manifestation of the Spirit.

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I suppose it starts in tongues and quickly turns to his language. Of all the gifts of the Spirit, receiving messages from God in tongues and interpretation of tongues are the only two I've never experienced. But as we see at the bottom of 1 Cor. 12, each of those is connected to an "office." God spoke to me in 2000 and told me He was giving me the office of teacher. Then the next year I received a prophecy which came to pass in order over these years since. Close to the last line of the prophecy was supernatural sight. I see that confirmed in 1 Cor. 2:9. This gift is more like a wonder as in "signs and wonders"!

 

[St. SteVen]

I suppose it starts in tongues and quickly turns to his language. Of all the gifts of the Spirit, receiving messages from God in tongues and interpretation of tongues are the only two I've never experienced. But as we see at the bottom of 1 Cor. 12, each of those is connected to an "office." God spoke to me in 2000 and told me He was giving me the office of teacher. Then the next year I received a prophecy which came to pass in order over these years since. Close to the last line of the prophecy was supernatural sight. I see that confirmed in 1 Cor. 2:9. This gift is more like a wonder as in "signs and wonders"!

Thanks.
Here's a question. Do you like the term "gifts of the Spirit"?

I think the term "gifts" is misleading.
I view these things as manifestations of the Spirit.
In fact that tracks better with the NT Greek. (spirituals)

These books and classes on "finding your gift" drive me crazy. - LOL

In my view, we don't own the manifestations of the Spirit, the manifestations own us.

1 Corinthians 12:11 NIV
All these are the work of one and the same Spirit,
and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

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[1stCenturyLady]

Here's a question. Do you like the term "gifts of the Spirit"?

Yes. It then cannot be confused with the "sign" of tongues. Mark 16 "these signs shall follow..."

In my view, we don't own the manifestations of the Spirit, the manifestations own us.

1 Corinthians 12:11 NIV
All these are the work of one and the same Spirit,
and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

It depends on before of after you receive a gift of the Spirit. He determines what gift we need according to whether you are given an office in the Church or not. But once you are given a gift it is yours for good. I have the office of Teacher and need many of the gifts. But I don't need the gift of tongues nor interpretation. Those are offices in themselves. And of course the interpreter may also receive the gift of tongues also. That gift of tongues should not be confused with the SIGN of tongues as it is given to all who believe. The difference between these two manifestations of tongues is the direction. Prayer in Mark 16:16-18 is TO GOD, and the gift for the office is FROM GOD. 1 Cor. 14:6 shows what the message from God may be. (6) "revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching."

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

 

[St. SteVen]

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

My personal experience has been... not what I expected.

I was instrumental in God healing a man.
So I thought that was the beginning of a healing ministry.
Never happened again.

I had a vision that led to a divine appointment.
Once again I thought it was the beginning of something that would continue.
Never happened again.

My current posture is to be ready for anything God might want me to do.
I won't back away from something, claiming "It's NOT my gift."

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[Carl Emerson]

I am talking about praying in the spirit. Praying coming from the inner man. It is not from your carnal thinking. Paul did not pray to sinners, but to God. Neither do we. I think you got your wires crossed respectfully.

This is what you said...

"So, if we don't speak with tongues, we don't speak with the spirit to God, but only with the carnal mind.

This is a false statement.

Speaking prophetically is not from the carnal mind.

 

[St. SteVen]

This is what you said...

"So, if we don't speak with tongues, we don't speak with the spirit to God, but only with the carnal mind.

This is a false statement.

Speaking prophetically is not from the carnal mind.

I think you are misunderstanding what he meant. It was more of a question about what I had written.

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[Carl Emerson]

I think you are misunderstanding what he meant.

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Maybe he should explain more clearly what point he was making, and why...

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to the Original Poster,

It's a renewed life in Christ Yeshua. All things become new!

 

[Fred J]

Romans 12:9-12 - Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. 10 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; 11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;

Please don't hint verses as though they're referring to me.

Mind you, 'love is my debt' and 'love is my guide', even to tell the truth.

Apparently there are some who are unable to 'handle' the truth.

And are hostile to HIS unworthy servants just doing their duty.

Peace be with you in Jesus name

 

[quietthinker]

What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?​

A heartfelt desire/ longing to know the God of Jesus.

 

[St. SteVen]

What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?​

A heartfelt desire/ longing to know the God of Jesus.

Agree. That is certainly part of it.
I guess I was asking the question in a more historic sense.
The examples in the book of Acts are telling.

- Why didn't the Samaritans receive the Holy Spirit?
- What happened at the house of Cornelius?
- Why hadn't the disciples in Ephesus received the Spirit?

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[quietthinker]

Agree. That is certainly part of it.
I guess I was asking the question in a more historic sense.
The examples in the book of Acts are telling.

- Why didn't the Samaritans receive the Holy Spirit?
- What happened at the house of Cornelius?
- Why hadn't the disciples in Ephesus received the Spirit?

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is speculation helpful?

 

[St. SteVen]

is speculation helpful?

My challenging questions appear as speculation.
But I answer the questions with solid facts.

- Why didn't the Samaritans receive the Holy Spirit?
- What happened at the house of Cornelius?
- Why hadn't the disciples in Ephesus received the Spirit?


Why didn't the Samaritans receive the Holy Spirit?
The baptized believers in Samaria obviously had received the indwelling Holy Spirit.
So, what were the Apostles looking for that they didn't observe? The manifestations.

What happened at the house of Cornelius?
Here the order of events is reversed. While Peter was still preaching,
those gentiles in the house began manifesting the Holy Spirit. Tongues and praising God.
Peter then ordered that they be water baptized.

Why hadn't the disciples in Ephesus received the Spirit?
The Apostle Paul met some disciples of Apollos. He asked them if they had
received the Holy Spirit when they believed. Why would he ask that question?
Everyone receives the indwelling Spirit when they believe. Something else was missing.
The Apostle observed the absence of something. What was it? Manifestations.
So he baptized them in Jesus' name and laid hands on them to receive the Spirit.
The outcome? They spoke in tongues and prophesied.

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