What is Preterism? - Video - 6 Hours.

[bbyrd009]

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[bbyrd009]

My study is also very limited due to time constraints, but what I have studied too date has given a total different view of scripture.

and what would that be? im interested

 

[bbyrd009]

There is a book I would like to also that help in understanding biblical context, from a person named Glenn Hill.


https://www.amazon.com/Christianitys-Great-Dilemma-Jesus-Coming/dp/1453873740

It is very easy to read using biblical scripture and is useful to consider, refute, or accept. I bought it myself.

Have you ever wondered what is delaying the return of Jesus-why He does not appear now to rapture His church and destroy this wicked world? Do you ever ponder about how very long you have been promised that "Jesus is coming soon," but He has not? If so, then Christianity's Great Dilemma may be the most unusual, interesting, and perhaps enlightening Second Coming prophecy book you will ever read! For most of my fifty of years preaching I taught that Jesus' Second Coming was near, so near that I expected to live to see the Advent. The ministers I listened to as a boy had the same message and expectation, but they died without seeing Jesus. Most ministers of the past hundred years have proclaimed that "Jesus is coming soon," but He has not returned. Do you ever wonder why? Modern-day prophets have kept us in great anticipation as they predicted the imminent coming of the antichrist, along with the great tribulation, rapture, end of the world, end of time, and Armageddon. Do you ever consider that decades pass, and one century ends and another begins, yet NONE of these prophecies come to pass? Recall Y2K. As the year 2000 approached, preachers made many predictions; and NOTHING happened! How embarrassing to Christianity! Could something be wrong with our message? In my book you will find the answers to these troubling questions! The answers are not some imaginary or hypothetical solutions, or some invisible and intangible possibilities. The answers are firmly and solidly based on the Scriptures! How did I miss them for most of my life? Christianity's Great Dilemma is a MUST-READ BOOK for every studious, thoughtful, and sincere Christian! I humbly invite you to read it. I promise that you will find it honest, unique, interesting, and even challenging. And your walk with Jesus will never be the same!

ya, so hearing his conclusion would be nice; for the other i might join the book club :)

 

[ScottA]

And how did that address Titus 2:13 ?

looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Titus 2:13
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Here Paul, in looking (in times) for the blessed hope, is speaking in and to and of that context...which is a translation by the Spirit, regarding the eternal things of God as they apply to the times of this world and to "each in his own order."

 

[ScottA]

Thank you for your comment @ScottA, that was the premise of the book that Glenn Hill wrote, who has determined through scripture analysis that Jesus did in fact return in 70 Ad.

That is cool you write too.

The error of Preterism would appear to be the same error as that of Gnosticism...which is that they have considered the return of Christ to have already come. I have been accused of being both, but have just stated otherwise.

The truth is rather as Paul stated, as Christ coming to "each in his own order", even to Israel who has preceded the gentiles. Meaning, the apex of the timing centers on the cross, and Jesus' return "shortly" thereafter...which is still only in the context of the times of this world, and therefore is more accurately stated as "before the foundation of the world", which the 'isms do not claim--as the scriptures do claim. This is my claim also.

 

[ScottA]

That sounds oneness .

Yes, just as the Father and the Son are One.

 

[ScottA]

And these passages regarding His Coming ( parousia )


Matthew 24:3
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:27
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:37
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:39
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

1 Corinthians 15:23
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1 Thessalonians 2:19
19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?

1 Thessalonians 3:13
13 To the end he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

1 Thessalonians 4:15
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:1
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 Thessalonians 2:8
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming

James 5:7
7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord.

James 5:8
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

2 Peter 1:16
16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

2 Peter 3:4
4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

1 John 2:28-29
28 Now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He appears, we may have confidence and not shrink away from Him in shame at His coming. 29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.

These passages all speak of Christ coming to "each in his own order."

 

[MatthewG]

ya, so hearing his conclusion would be nice; for the other i might join the book club :)

Look this way I see it.

Jesus came back, in that generation. For me though it is not documented as far “He came back” the biblical text proves they were waiting.

What happens is people try to jostle it around when it comes to what Jesus said “that he would be back within the generation”he was talking too.

I don’t mind if people are older than me, or younger than me and they say no no no, can’t be the case. The truth is the Bible is there.

You are able to open up the pages and read out loud to yourself, if a person got bad eyes get a large print or giant print.

If people decide hey you know what I don’t believe Jesus came back to that generation well, I can’t help it. He was the one who said he was to get his bride which are 144,000, proclaimed in the Bible.

Anyway love to any and all here, I respect you not because of the views you hold but because you are a creation of God and there is no reason for me to knock you around and spit in your face and club you with scripture.

God bless.

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes, just as the Father and the Son are One.

Same “ person “ or different “ persons “

 

[Waiting on him]

and what would that be? im interested

Well, Jesus told his disciples he would return in that generation, and if you’ll read the historical documents from that era you’ll see he made good on his word and isn’t a liar as some report.

and if the historical record isn’t sufficient, then view the photos of today and you’ll see there is no temple.

 

[ChristisGod]

Look this way I see it.

Jesus came back, in that generation. For me though it is not documented as far “He came back” the biblical text proves they were waiting.

What happens is people try to jostle it around when it comes to what Jesus said “that he would be back within the generation”he was talking too.

I don’t mind if people are older than me, or younger than me and they say no no no, can’t be the case. The truth is the Bible is there.

You are able to open up the pages and read out loud to yourself, if a person got bad eyes get a large print or giant print.

If people decide hey you know what I don’t believe Jesus came back to that generation well, I can’t help it. He was the one who said he was to get his bride which are 144,000, proclaimed in the Bible.

Anyway love to any and all here, I respect you not because of the views you hold but because you are a creation of God and there is no reason for me to knock you around and spit in your face and club you with scripture.

God bless.

Where does the Bible say the 144k are the bride ?

 

[amigo de christo]

Look this way I see it.

Jesus came back, in that generation. For me though it is not documented as far “He came back” the biblical text proves they were waiting.

What happens is people try to jostle it around when it comes to what Jesus said “that he would be back within the generation”he was talking too.

I don’t mind if people are older than me, or younger than me and they say no no no, can’t be the case. The truth is the Bible is there.

You are able to open up the pages and read out loud to yourself, if a person got bad eyes get a large print or giant print.

If people decide hey you know what I don’t believe Jesus came back to that generation well, I can’t help it. He was the one who said he was to get his bride which are 144,000, proclaimed in the Bible.

Anyway love to any and all here, I respect you not because of the views you hold but because you are a creation of God and there is no reason for me to knock you around and spit in your face and club you with scripture.

God bless.

 

[amigo de christo]

STOP letting folks believe that one does not have to believe in JESUS in order to be saved , CAUSE THAT AINT THE GOSPEL

 

[bbyrd009]

If people decide hey you know what I don’t believe Jesus came back to that generation well, I can’t help it. He was the one who said he was to get his bride which are 144,000, proclaimed in the Bible

hmm, well to that imo (12x12000) has an allegorical meaning…plus wasnt that written after 70ad?
personally i doubt that Jesus literally retuned then, mostly bc “Jesus, returning” cant be Quoted in Greek anyway, plus you and i surely have diff defs of Jesus of Nazareth right now, although we apparently also share some concepts

 

[bbyrd009]

Well, Jesus told his disciples he would return in that generation

did He? Are you sure? bc idt so wadr

and if you’ll read the historical documents from that era you’ll see he made good on his word

got a link? ty

and if the historical record isn’t sufficient, then view the photos of today and you’ll see there is no temple.

ha well the results im fam with, its the process that im murky on, and thought you had insight to…not that today is any diff i guess, Rome so to speak is in control of Jerusalem right now, and Israel is an apartheid country, etc

 

[ScottA]

Same “ person “ or different “ persons “

The biblical explanation is that of Adam actually being one, then becoming two, then becoming "one flesh" again.

 

[Bob Estey]

Don K Preston is a person who is a person who has comes from a full preterist view.

Please also consider Post Number 6.

Six hours is a lot of hours.

 

[ChristisGod]

The biblical explanation is that of Adam actually being one, then becoming two, then becoming "one flesh" again.

So Adam and Eve are distinct persons like the Father and Son are distinct yet are one. Is that correct ?

 

[ScottA]

So Adam and Eve are distinct persons like the Father and Son are distinct yet are one. Is that correct ?

Not exactly. Adam and Eve began as the one person, Adam. Then two. Then "one flesh."

However, the image of God that we are created in...is a poor image (dimly). So, we know that they were indeed one person in the beginning, but the image after that of "one flesh" being two persons does not show God in error or using poor grammar, but rather as mankind being seen in that poor or dimly image. The error is ours...as we should have known that it is a dimly image.

 

[Taken]

Have you ever wondered what is delaying the return of Jesus-why He does not appear now to rapture His church and destroy this wicked world? Do you ever ponder about how very long you have been promised that "Jesus is coming soon," but He has not?

No. I don’t wonder.
Some will be on the Earth when He returns and mourning,
and others will be With Him when he returns and joyful.