What is "Bare Grain"?

[IndianaRob]

1 Corinthians 15:35-40
King James Version

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

It should be obvious from the passage above that "bare grain" is the soul of man but I know some here will disagree. For those who do disagree, what do you say the "bare grain" is?

 

[Randy Kluth]

1 Corinthians 15:35-40
King James Version

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

It should be obvious from the passage above that "bare grain" is the soul of man but I know some here will disagree. For those who do disagree, what do you say the "bare grain" is?

I should think the "bare grain" refers to the human body, and not just the soul? After all, it is talking about "bodies!"

 

[IndianaRob]

I should think the "bare grain" refers to the human body, and not just the soul? After all, it is talking about "bodies!"

Let's plug the body into verse 38.

Original - 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
The body - 38 But God giveth the body a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Does that make sense in your opinion?

 

[Ziggy]

Sometimes a "body" doesn't have to be an individual.
Israel in whole is a body. Christians as a whole is the body of Christ.
I believe the bible mentions Israel as One man...

Jdg 20:11
So all the men of Israel were gathered against the city, knit together as one man.

So if the first seed sown was of the flesh, then that which dies and is raised again bares new grain, which is the seed of Christ the spiritual body.

Jesus has a way of speaking about micro and macro at the same time. How do you explain spiritual things without using the physical as an example?

Think bigger.

Just my thoughts
Hugs

 

[IndianaRob]

Sometimes a "body" doesn't have to be an individual.
Israel in whole is a body. Christians as a whole is the body of Christ.
I believe the bible mentions Israel as One man...

Jdg 20:11
So all the men of Israel were gathered against the city, knit together as one man.

So if the first seed sown was of the flesh, then that which dies and is raised again bares new grain, which is the seed of Christ the spiritual body.

Jesus has a way of speaking about micro and macro at the same time. How do you explain spiritual things without using the physical as an example?

Think bigger.

Just my thoughts
Hugs

I think it’s pretty clear that the context here is literal bodies, both natural and glorified.

 

[Ziggy]

I don't know if it's pretty clear. I suppose it depends on how one hears it.

1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Adam was made with a living soul, natural, earthy. According to Paul this is the description of Adam. The human race.
The second man Adam, those who are born again, are the spiritual and heavenly children of God.

It's a matter of perspective.
If you want to see it on a microscopic individual level, that's fine.
I hear it more in the macroscopic entirety of humanity.
I believe it can be both at the same time.

Hugs

 

[IndianaRob]

I don't know if it's pretty clear. I suppose it depends on how one hears it.

1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Adam was made with a living soul, natural, earthy. According to Paul this is the description of Adam. The human race.
The second man Adam, those who are born again, are the spiritual and heavenly children of God.

It's a matter of perspective.
If you want to see it on a microscopic individual level, that's fine.
I hear it more in the macroscopic entirety of humanity.
I believe it can be both at the same time.

Hugs

Isn't the answer to given in 1Co 15:45? Adam was made a living SOUL, not a human body. His soul was placed in a human body but the human body is not what Adam was, he was a living soul.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Read in context.==7 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:===""bare grain"" is to produce grain from seed==planted seed should bare grain.

 

[Ziggy]

Israel was alive until they turned from God and they died.
Jesus came to bring life.
Israel is no longer of the first Adam flesh, but is born of the second Adam, a quickening spirit.
Ye must be born again applies to the whole nation of Israel and also includes all those who are not Israel after the flesh but also gentiles.
Israel after the flesh are earthy, they deny Christ as their resurection and their life.
They are yet to be awakened to that realization.
Adam was alive until he obeyed his wife instead of God. And the world fell.
Jesus obeyed God and the world was revived. Through faith.
Now if you have faith then you are a part of the resurection, if you don't, then your not.

That resurection from death unto life was a transition from Israel in the flesh to Israel of the Spirit.
It has a new body now and a new way of life. Even a new name.
Christianity will never die. As long as we follow Christ and believe God... we will never die.
But if the world decends into total darkness and chaos it will be because we lost our faith and our belief and allowed the world to
kill him again.
But Christ can not stay hidden. The light of truth will always find a way to shine in utter darkness.

They are trying though. Trying to destroy our faith. But they will not prevail.
Did you know that they have a terror watch for christians and people of faith?
They tried to infiltrate the catholic church. They sent their minions against the Jewish religion.
They want to be their own gods, and God keeps getting in their way.
And unless God himself plucks us up, we're staying.

Hugs

 

[Davy]

Isn't the answer to given in 1Co 15:45? Adam was made a living SOUL, not a human body. His soul was placed in a human body but the human body is not what Adam was, he was a living soul.

Paul's idea of bare grain is using the idea of seed germinating, which really doesn't literally define what happens, but is just a general way to showing that death of the seed springs forth a new plant life.

Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 actually explains what truly happens at death of our flesh body. It shows there is a "silver cord" that if ever severed, the flesh goes back to the ground where it came from, but our spirit goes back to God Who gave it. The "silver cord" is shown thus holding the two parts together until it is severed at flesh death. This is very close to what Apostle Paul taught in 2 Cor.5 that if our earthly tabernacle were suddenly dissolved, we already have another body from God, not made with hands, but eternal in the heavens.

Many commentaries of men try to claim the "spirit" of Eccl.12:5-7 simply means like a life force that all living things have, but no. It is literally about our 'spirit' part that God created us with that is attached to our soul. (see 1 Peter 3 & 4 about the "spirits in prison" that Jesus went and preached The Gospel to at His resurrection. That was prophecy that He would do that, per Isaiah 42:7.)

What this all means is that our created makeup is about 2 separate dimensions. Our flesh body is of the earthy dimension, what Paul called the "image of the earthy". But our spirit body with soul is made up of that other heavenly dimension, what Paul called the "image of the heavenly". Jesus taught this difference also in John 3 when He said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit. This is why Paul showed that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, neither does corruption (flesh) inherit incorruption (spiritual body).

 

[Ziggy]

The "silver cord" reminds me of the difference between the old and new covenants.
The old covenant was broken and a new covenant was formed.

Like the chaff being removed from the kernal.
It was always there.. but hidden within.

thinking..
hugs