What if you lose your faith?

[Grailhunter]

Here is your problem.
You said that if you sin, you don't go to heaven.
I pointed out that you sin.
You've now avoided what you said, because you're dishonest.
You'll avoid it again because you're dishonest.

Not only that, but Christianity was designed to save sinners.
Lifeboats are designed to save people but that does not mean they stay in the water with the sharks.
So here ya go...maybe you will understand it the second time....if not get someone to help you read it....For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 2nd Peter 2:20

We sin....but we keep it to a minimum in severity and frequency ....we ask forgiveness and are forgiven.
Be good and do good....

 

[Behold]

You haven't been able to get past any of the scriptures ..

Ferris Bueller....

IN your mind, you have "obliterated".
But the reality is, ive posted 30+ posts that explained why your one verse is not as you read it, and you have never responded to my posts.
You just write something dumb, like.>"see there, proved it"., as to you, if you post a verse, then that must be proof.
It only proves that you can keep posting what you dont understand.

You have no clue as to why Jesus told the born again, they will "never perish".
You have no cluse as to why Jesus told the born again, "noone can take you out of my hand"... (including the person who is born again).
You do not understand why .. "as Jesus is, so are the born again, in THIS world"....

What you can do is pretend you have a clue.
And you are such a pretender.

 

[Behold]

John 3:36 Jesus said:
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

John 3:36, is not talking about people who are born again, as they have already given their faith to God and its been Accepted.
= Born again

John 3:36, is talking to UNBELIEVERS.....never born again.

Do you really not understand that many NT verses are not talking TO the Born again?
You don't know this?....As you treat all verses as if God, Jesus, Paul, are talking to the Church, and they are not.

Example?

John 3.. "you must be born again".

So, thats not talking to the born again, in case you didnt know it.
And some of your verses that have wrapped you up in Legalism, are not talking to the Born again.

 

[Behold]

What is good teaching?

What is good teaching?
Its what im doing with you, and Ferris.
See, the wrongly dividing the NT verses, has caused some of you to be in a theological mess.
Verses that you didn't rightly divide, and some LIAR convinced you, "It means this"........ has worked to deceive you.

So, as a real teacher, i know what has happened to you....so, the cure is not for a real teacher to jam verses in your face, as its verses that have caused your theological break down.
The bible will hurt you if you get in there, and get it wrong.

This is why i dont need to post verse after verse, when im talking to you, and grailhunter, and Ferris, and Robert, and Matthew, and a couple of others here.
You Legalists dont need verses shoved at you......you need someone who has dealt with thousands like you, to give you "HOW" to see.

 

[Behold]

Not only that, but Christianity was designed to save sinners.
.

You posted to me that "if you sin, you are not going to heaven".

Yet, you have sinned a lot.
So, now you are stuck in your own mouth pit.
You have no way out of your own words, as your words, say you are hell bound.
Your own words.

Not too good, is it.

But you can keep dodging it, and try to play a game.
np.

 

[Behold]

Here. It's simple:

FAITH SAVES.

.

Now you are teaching Ferris Bueller 101

Listen...

Faith does not save.

GOD SAVES, through Faith.

Faith is not the Savior, unless faith died on the Cross for you.
Show me that verse, deceiver.

God ACCEPTS FAITH....to SAVE YOU.

Faith saves NOTHING.

 

[Behold]

IF YOU HAVE FAITH .... YOU'RE SAVED
.

No.

You are only saved, ....If you have Jesus in you. if you have GOD in you. If you have the Holy Spirit in you.

If you are ""become the Temple of the Holy Spirit""", then THAT is why you are saved., as that is the proof.

That God has joined you to His Spirit, = THAT is why you are saved.
Being born again is the only proof that God has you in Himself.

Faith is not your Savior.
Faith didnt die on the Cross for anyone.

 

[Behold]

We sin many times.

People sin because they like it.

Believers watch "R" rated movies on Cable, because they LIKE IT.

So, this idea that some believers like to pretend.........that its all an accident, .... they didn't mean to.......is very dishonest..
God knows the reality.

 

[Behold]

What they don't do is continue to sin.

Really?

Yet, you have confessed sin for 20 + yrs.....every year.
So, thats "continuing in it".......for 20 + yrs.

When do you think you'll stop, as according to you, if you dont stop soon, you wont be going to heaven.
After all, 20+ year, of your sinning and confessing, is a lot of CONTINUING IN SIN< isn't it, Ferris Bueller ??

You like to talk and get attention, but nearly everything you post is just such nonsense., especially when you try to teach anything about Salvation.

 

[Grailhunter]

You posted to me that "if you sin, you are not going to heaven".

Yet, you have sinned a lot.
So, now you are stuck in your own mouth pit.
You have no way out of your own words, as your words, say you are hell bound.
Your own words.

Not too good, is it.

But you can keep dodging it, and try to play a game.
np.

I did post that....and I am not dodging anything....but we were discussing the license to sin in general.
Not only that, but Christianity was designed to save sinners.
Lifeboats are designed to save people but that does not mean they stay in the water with the sharks.
So here ya go...maybe you will understand it the second time....if not get someone to help you read it....For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 2nd Peter 2:20

We sin....but we keep it to a minimum in severity and frequency ....we ask forgiveness and are forgiven.
Be good and do good....

 

[Behold]

I did post that....and I am not dodging anything......

You are still dodging the fact that you said that "if you sin you dont go to heaven", which means you.

As i pointed out that you have sinned many times, since you believe you became a Christian.
So, according to your words, you are not going to heaven.

And now you are in reverse, saying..>"well.......well.......see, we DO SIN"....

Yet, you originally said..>"if you sin, you dont go to heaven".

 

[Ferris Bueller]

But the reality is, ive posted 30+ posts that explained why your one verse is not as you read it

I have refuted everything you've said concerning all the scriptures I've posted.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

if you post a verse, then that must be proof.
It only proves that you can keep posting what you dont understand.

I explain everything that I post and you've not been able to refute what I've shared.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You have no clue as to why Jesus told the born again, they will "never perish".

He told the believing they will never perish, not the person who never believed or who has stopped believing. I explained how 'believing' is in the present tense. Including in what Paul wrote. You haven't even tried to refute it. All you've done is deflect.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You have no cluse as to why Jesus told the born again, "noone can take you out of my hand"... (including the person who is born again).

What's so hard about understanding that no one can snatch you out of Jesus' hand by force against your will????

" 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand." John 10:28​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You do not understand why .. "as Jesus is, so are the born again, in THIS world".

No, you are the one who does not understand why born again people are like Jesus in this world (1 John 4:17), because you're the one saying the unbelieving Christ rejecter living in his old life of sin in unbelief can somehow be born again. That's not consistent with born again people being like Jesus in this world, lol. That in no way resembles a born again person being like Jesus in this world. You simply can not accept the fact that you are wrong and that people who live like the devil belong to the devil, not Christ, and are in no way shape or form born again.

"9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 ...Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God" 1 John 3:9-10​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Really?

Yet, you have confessed sin for 20 + yrs.....every year.
So, thats "continuing in it".......for 20 + yrs.

When do you think you'll stop, as according to you, if you dont stop soon, you wont be going to heaven.
After all, 20+ year, of your sinning and confessing, is a lot of CONTINUING IN SIN< isn't it, Ferris Bueller ??

You like to talk and get attention, but nearly everything you post is just such nonsense., especially when you try to teach anything about Salvation.

Ah, yes. The famous argument of unbelievers, lol.

If you can't tell the difference between your relationship with sin before you were born again and after you were born again, you ain't born again. You're arguing the argument of the unconverted.

 

[Grailhunter]

You are still dodging the fact that you said that "if you sin you dont go to heaven", which means you.

I have admitted that several times.....
And I believe that.
But there is always the but.....
Sinning can prevent a Christian from going to heaven and land them in hell.
It is all through the New testament. Christ and the Apostles repeatedly warn Christians not to sin because it can land them in hell.
Be good and do good is what a Christian is told to do....by Christ and the Apostles.
Christianity is not a religion of sin.
Christ is not tolerant to sin.
Hell is for sinners.
Heaven is for those that do good and do good deeds.
Christianity is a religion of morals and character.
Christians should try to please God.
You do not go to hell for being good.
You go to hell for being bad.

Now any more ignorant posts and I will just copy and paste this as a response.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You're such a joyful Christian...



Trust Me ! You don’t know the “ HALF” of It! God has placed such a Joy in my Heart, it does not matter “ what” happens....the worst news in the world certainly does not make me happy, but there seems to be a part of me at my Core that is simply Untouchable..... I understand what Paul meant when he said that he had learned to be “ content” in ANY situation....I share in that....kinda makes me think that I am “ ON to something “ with my continuing Doctrine Of NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD.....some of you out there oughta give it a shot! It pays big dividends “ down here” , plus it guarantees me my Salvation....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Romans 10:13 tell us that if we call on the name of the Lord we will be saved.

Do those that want nothing to do with God call on the name of the Lord?
No.


And you think I have a “problem” with this??????
What point are you trying to make? Expand on this a little for this dummy....