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I think perhaps it says more about the character of the people in churches.What does the hell doctrine say about the character of God?
It says that God is everyone's divine Creator-Judge, the perfect God of justice, who rightly condemns everyone for our rebellion against him. The only escape route by way of the Judge's not-guilty verdict was paved by Jesus' death and resurrection.That's convenient.
Who created hell? And for what purpose?
What does that say about the character of God?
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Ask the people who invented and make them happen.When I get to Heaven the FIRST thing I'm going to ask God is "Robocalls, really?"!
Luther who??Let's have a conversation with Luther .......God's favorite Angel .....Bet he has a lot to tell about turning against God.
@Keiw, how can you tell that the passages about eternal suffering are symbolic? In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus tells several times of a place where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Isn't his description literal of suffering because of God's justice??There is no literal eternal suffering, only blind guides teach it as literal. It was symbolism. Only a sadistic hateful reject would create a literal eternal suffering. The true God= Love, merciful, slow to anger. His 4 main attributes=Love, wisdom, power and justice.
He taught us all his perfect justice= an eye for an eye=perfect balance on Gods justice scales. Lets apply those scales to a literal eternal suffering
On one side = 70-100 years of an unrepented life--On the other side= trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment.
See any balance= No--Its an eye for a gazillion eyes. Not the true God who has a literal eternal suffering. Its a teaching by blind guides that do not know God--RUN FROM THEM, they are 2Cor 11:12-15)
He meant Lucifer i would say.Who's turning against God?
And why would you choose Luther as a source to discuss?
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John 3:16-- God sent his son so those exercising faith in him might not be destroyed;@Keiw, how can you tell that the passages about eternal suffering are symbolic? In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus tells several times of a place where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Isn't his description literal of suffering because of God's justice??
Mat_8:12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Mat_13:42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat_13:50 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat_22:13 Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
Mat_24:51 and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat_25:30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
Yeah, I hadn't thought of that possibility, but your correction does make sense!He meant Lucifer i would say.
Agree.I think perhaps it says more about the character of the people in churches.
There's a lot of hurting people who still believe in God, but don't feel they can be part of "the Body" because of how they are judged there.Many atheists have come out of the church. A quality export. - LOL
And "a lot" is right. A lot of hurting people.There's a lot of hurting people who still believe in God, but don't feel they can be part of "the Body" because of how they are judged there.
The bible has already judged the difference between one who is righteous or one who is wicked in Gods view. Guilt would make one feel judged, It doesn't mean others are judging you, but they do expect a servant of Jesus to live up to certain standards.There's a lot of hurting people who still believe in God, but don't feel they can be part of "the Body" because of how they are judged there.
Horse hockey.The bible has already judged the difference between one who is righteous or one who is wicked in Gods view. Guilt would make one feel judged, It doesn't mean others are judging you, but they do expect a servant of Jesus to live up to certain standards.
What sort of monster would create such a thing? The most sadist tyrant imaginable.
How does it work and what is the purpose?
There is no purpose other than eternal torment on the grandest scale.
That's not the end. God has created this lake of fire so that you cannot die.
You will endure this torture with no hope of escape.
Your flesh will be burned away only to be replaced with fresh flesh to be burned again …
What's the point then?What are you talking about?
Eternally LIVING PEOPLE are NOT IN Hell, are NOT SENT TO Hell.
Who created hell?People condemn other people to hell not God we were all already condemned to hell in the fall.The condemned condemning the condemned. God does not have to send anyone to hell everyone already has a first class ticket to hell or did you not know that..God is offering a way out in Christ if you would only listen.
Regarding Humans;What's the point then?
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