What does the hell doctrine say about the character of God?

[PGS11]

It didn't happen the way its claimed here.Satan condemned all of humanity to hell in the fall not God.It why Jesus came.God does not have to send anyone to hell you have already been condemned.Jesus came to reverse what the fallen Angels have done to humanity.You can't skip the fall of humanity or the entire faith falls apart without it and Jesus has no reason to come if it never happened.Or do you think this is about something else?Explain Christianity without the fall of humanity.

 

[St. SteVen]

God does not have to send anyone to hell you have already been condemned.

That's convenient.
Who created hell? And for what purpose?
What does that say about the character of God?

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[Behold]

Who created hell?

God

And for what purpose?

"Hell is created for the DEVIL and his Angels".

What does that say about the character of God?

It says that God is not about to keep the Devil and His Fallen angels in Heaven with the Righteous. (Heavenly Host) and the (Christians).

So, God created a place, just for them...that corresponds to, and rewards their EVIL.

 

[Ritajanice]

That's convenient.
Who created hell? And for what purpose?
What does that say about the character of God?

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God created evil, Brother.

 

[St. SteVen]

God created evil, Brother.

Most translations use the word disaster/calamity instead of evil.

New International Version
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

New Living Translation
I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things.

English Standard Version
I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Berean Standard Bible
I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.

King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

New King James Version
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’

New American Standard Bible
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things.

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[Ritajanice]

Most translations use the word disaster/calamity instead of evil.

New International Version
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

New Living Translation
I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things.

English Standard Version
I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Berean Standard Bible
I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.

King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

New King James Version
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’

New American Standard Bible
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things.

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Isaiah 45

King James Version

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45 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.
9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

 

[Behold]

God created evil, Brother.

Thats Calvinism, twisting one (basically) one Old Testament verse, into more Heresy...

As Calvinism, blames God for what the Devil does.. Because Calvinism is OF The Devil.

Sickness
Death
Pain
Poverty.


God created Lucifer who became Evil itself, and his nature is the fallen nature of Man. (Adamic Nature) (Fallen nature).

God created Man, who now commits evil, because until they are born again.. /. Jesus said they are.... "You are of your Father, the Devil, and the LUSTS OF YOUR FATHER (SIN) (EVIL) YOU WILL DO"".


Notice...

If Satan and ADAM were not yet created, and found on Earth, then EVIL would not exist on Earth.
Evil on THIS EARTH only exists Because the DEVIL is EVIL and Fallen man has his Nature..

THEY Are the Evil. that they CHOOSE TO DO and BECOME.

 

[Ritajanice]

Thats Calvinism, twisting one (basically) one Old Testament verse, into more Heresy...

As Calvinism, blames God for what the Devil does.. Because Calvinism is OF The Devil.

Sickness
Death
Pain
Poverty.


God created Lucifer who became Evil itself, and his nature is the fallen nature of Man. (Adamic Nature) (Fallen nature).

God created Man, who now commits evil, because until they are born again.. /. Jesus said they are.... "You are of your Father, the Devil".


Let me show you this before you post your one OT verse...


If Satan and ADAM were not yet created, and found on Earth, then EVIL would not exist.
Evil on THIS EARTH only exists Because the DEVIL is EVIL and Fallen man has his Nature..

THEY Are the Evil. that they CHOOSE TO DO and BECOME.

No it’s not, that’s you twisting Gods word.

Isaiah 45​

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King James Version​

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45 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.
9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

 

[Behold]

Most translations use the word disaster/calamity instead of evil.

No it’s not, that’s you twisting Gods word.

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Im teaching it.
You are just cut and pasting what you read .

So....Thats Calvinism, you're teaching....= twisting one (basically) one Old Testament verse, into more Heresy...

You like a lot of people who dont study the bible, but ;read some (theological dung) that some deceiver wrote.. .. you then take this to heart, and post verses, based on your deception ,that they taught you.
= As Calvinism, blames God for what the Devil does.. Because Calvinism is OF The Devil.

Sickness
Death
Pain
Poverty.


God created Lucifer who became Evil itself, and his nature is the fallen nature of Man. (Adamic Nature) (Fallen nature).

God created Man, who now commits evil, because until they are born again.. /. Jesus said they are.... "You are of your Father, the Devil, and the LUSTS OF YOUR FATHER (SIN) (EVIL) YOU WILL DO"".


Notice...

If Satan and ADAM were not yet created, and found on Earth, then EVIL would not exist on Earth.
Evil on THIS EARTH only exists Because the DEVIL is EVIL and Fallen man has his Nature..

THEY Are the Evil. that they CHOOSE TO DO and BECOME.

 

[Ritajanice]

Im teaching it.
You are just cut and pasting what you read .

So....Thats Calvinism, you're teaching....= twisting one (basically) one Old Testament verse, into more Heresy...

You like a lot of people who dont study the bible, but ;read some CRAP that some person wrote.. .. you then take this to heart, and post verses, based on your deception ,that they taught you.

Some person wrote that scripture did they?

= As Calvinism, blames God for what the Devil does.. Because Calvinism is OF The Devil.

Sickness
Death
Pain
Poverty.


God created Lucifer who became Evil itself, and his nature is the fallen nature of Man. (Adamic Nature) (Fallen nature).

God created Man, who now commits evil, because until they are born again.. /. Jesus said they are.... "You are of your Father, the Devil, and the LUSTS OF YOUR FATHER (SIN) (EVIL) YOU WILL DO"".


Notice...

If Satan and ADAM were not yet created, and found on Earth, then EVIL would not exist on Earth.
Evil on THIS EARTH only exists Because the DEVIL is EVIL and Fallen man has his Nature..

THEY Are the Evil. that they CHOOSE TO DO and BECOME.

You are not my teacher, I am posting scripture, which I understand, ..I can’t understand your teaching because it comes from you and is work based, you teach in your own strength and understanding of God’s word.

In other words you teach opinions, work based opinions.

 

[Behold]

You are not my teacher,

Calvin is your teacher...
Dont you realize it yet?
Do you need to ask BRIGHTFRAME about it?
He'll be happy to agree with me, as will all the other Calvinists on the Forum, as they teach exactly the same DECEPTION.

And before you say...>>>"no the HS " or "no the BIBLE"............before you state that nonsense, just realize that you are teaching 100% Calvinism,...= .both regarding your idea of "how to be born again" and "who created evil"..

BOTH of these that you are posting, are CALVINISM.. "TULIP" = "the 5 Points".

Understand?

So, dont pretend this is the HOLY SPIRIT..........as it not. Its JOHN CALVINISM, and i assure you that CALVINISM ... is not the Holy Spirit. @Ritajanice

 

[Ritajanice]

Calvin is your teacher...
Dont you realize it yet?

And before you say...>>>"no the HS " or "no the BIBLE"............before you state that nonsense, just realize that you are teaching Calvinism,....both regarding your idea of "how to be born again" and "who created evil"..

BOTH of these that you are posting, are CALVINISM..

Understand?

So, dont pretend this is the HOLY SPIRIT..........as it not. Its JOHN CALVINISM, and i assure you He is not the Holy Spirit. @Ritajanice

You are a self appointed teacher, supposed to be a Pastor, who tells me I post “ CRAP..you said it not me.

No point in arguing with you, I recognise the flesh a mile off....I will continue to post Gods word, and pray that he helps you deal with his truth..work based salvation saves no one.

I refuse @Behold to play your immature arguing games, go bat the ball with your old friends..either Ronald Nolette or Brightfame.

 

[Behold]

You are a self appointed teacher,

Calvin is your teacher...
Dont you realize it yet?
Do you need to ask BRIGHTFRAME about it?
He'll be happy to agree with me, as will all the other Calvinists on the Forum, as they teach exactly the same DECEPTION.

And before you say...>>>"no the HS " or "no the BIBLE"............before you state that nonsense, just realize that you are teaching 100% Calvinism,...= .both regarding your idea of "how to be born again" and "who created evil"..

BOTH of these that you are posting, are CALVINISM.. "TULIP" = "the 5 Points".

Understand?

So, dont pretend this is the HOLY SPIRIT..........as it not. Its JOHN CALVINISM, and i assure you that CALVINISM ... is not the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Calvin is your teacher...
Dont you realize it yet?
Do you need to ask BRIGHTFRAME about it?
He'll be happy to agree with me, as will all the other Calvinists on the Forum, as they teach exactly the same DECEPTION.

And before you say...>>>"no the HS " or "no the BIBLE"............before you state that nonsense, just realize that you are teaching 100% Calvinism,...= .both regarding your idea of "how to be born again" and "who created evil"..

BOTH of these that you are posting, are CALVINISM.. "TULIP" = "the 5 Points".

Understand?

So, dont pretend this is the HOLY SPIRIT..........as it not. Its JOHN CALVINISM, and i assure you that CALVINISM ... is not the Holy Spirit.

May you know what it means to know the Love Of God in your heart..
Also to know him in your spirit.
May his Love penetrate your spirit/ heart.

I sincerely pray this Lord, in Jesus Name...Amen!

 

[Keiw]

What sort of monster would create such a thing? The most sadist tyrant imaginable.

How does it work and what is the purpose?
There is no purpose other than eternal torment on the grandest scale.
We have all experienced a burn at some point in our lives.

Maybe we touched the stove. We immediately removed our hand,
And learned an important lesson. NEVER touch the stove.

We are also familiar with the burn ward at the hospital.
Severe burn victims are treated there. Recovery is horrible.
Requiring skin grafts and a slow and painful healing process.

Yet no human has fallen into a volcano (lake of fire) and survived.
Is this what God has planned for those who refuse the free gift of eternal life?
Seems pretty harsh. Receive the free gift of eternal life, or if you prefer
you will be incinerated. That is one VERY expensive FREE GIFT.

Imagine being thrown into a volcano. What a horrible thing. But wait...
That's not the end. God has created this lake of fire so that you cannot die.
You will endure this torture with no hope of escape.

Your flesh will be burned away only to be replaced with fresh flesh to be burned again and again.
Hard to imagine a more sadistic or cruel punishment for a temporal crime. Justice? Nope.

Couldn't this have been avoided with a simple discussion?
Ten seconds in hell would be enough for anyone to get the message.

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There is no literal eternal suffering, only blind guides teach it as literal. It was symbolism. Only a sadistic hateful reject would create a literal eternal suffering. The true God= Love, merciful, slow to anger. His 4 main attributes=Love, wisdom, power and justice.
He taught us all his perfect justice= an eye for an eye=perfect balance on Gods justice scales. Lets apply those scales to a literal eternal suffering
On one side = 70-100 years of an unrepented life--On the other side= trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment.
See any balance= No--Its an eye for a gazillion eyes. Not the true God who has a literal eternal suffering. Its a teaching by blind guides that do not know God--RUN FROM THEM, they are 2Cor 11:12-15)

 

[Bob]

There is no literal eternal suffering, only blind guides teach it as literal. It was symbolism. Only a sadistic hateful reject would create a literal eternal suffering. The true God= Love, merciful, slow to anger. His 4 main attributes=Love, wisdom, power and justice.
He taught us all his perfect justice= an eye for an eye=perfect balance on Gods justice scales. Lets apply those scales to a literal eternal suffering
On one side = 70-100 years of an unrepented life--On the other side= trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of punishment.
See any balance= No--Its an eye for a gazillion eyes. Not the true God who has a literal eternal suffering. Its a teaching by blind guides that do not know God--RUN FROM THEM, they are 2Cor 11:12-15)

Thank you for the post.

St. Steven and I agree, but he has taken a lot of grief from those who cite many examples from scripture to the contrary.

Can you cite examples of those who say, “There is no literal eternal suffering“?

Blessings.

 

[Keiw]

Thank you for the post.

St. Steven and I agree, but he has taken a lot of grief from those who cite many examples from scripture to the contrary.

Can you cite examples of those who say, “There is no literal eternal suffering“?

Blessings.

I just showed you Gods justice scales.
At Deut 30:19--God made an oath to all mankind-He set before them LIFE or DEATH--They must choose( 95%actions 5% words) both will be everlasting.

The symbolism of eternal suffering = As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed in( destroyed) miss each new day, miss each day of Gods love it never ends= likened to an eternal suffering-Why? Because the destroyed chose 70-100 years of an unrepented life and miss out on trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of life, never sick, never without, not aging like now, always at peace and harmony, etc,etc. Not a wise trade.

 

[NotTheRock]

God created evil, Brother.

When I get to Heaven the FIRST thing I'm going to ask God is "Robocalls, really?"!

 

[bluedragon]

Let's have a conversation with Luther .......God's favorite Angel .....Bet he has a lot to tell about turning against God.

 

[St. SteVen]

Let's have a conversation with Luther .......God's favorite Angel .....Bet he has a lot to tell about turning against God.

Who's turning against God?

And why would you choose Luther as a source to discuss?

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