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Why draw such conclusions at all about another person? What do you think the Apostle Paul meant by this?
"For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise." II Cor 10:12
One more try:
Consider what time is to man and then consider what it is to God.
Consider what Jesus was in his beginning as a man and then consider what we were in our beginning at natural birth to our mothers.
What were the differences... but then:
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is" I John 3:2
How much like him are we now? Are we growing in and toward God? How much like him can we be?
"Clearly teaches"? Did that come from something you learned from others, or from your own logical mind? Do you suppose that the most intelligent [highest I.Q.] people and the best students [honor rolls in secular schools] are also always the closest to God? Consider the following NT and OT verses:
"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Tim 2:15
"And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh." Ecc 12:12
What is the difference? What would prevent a person from become weary in his flesh rather than lifted up by God from a whole lot of Bible study?
How about this?
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26
Of course, if a person who has received the Holy Spirit but regularly or routinely quenches the Spirit in favor of the workings of his logical carnal mind, he is likely to have at best a mixed message. Is not that so?
Why do you think the Apostle Paul wrote this verse?
"Quench not the Spirit." I Thess 5:19
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." Rom 8:13
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You might want to check out Exodus, chapters 19 and 20, to find the earliest mention of the trumpet and its use.
Lest I repeat myself please read the following post with regard to "future" and "literal":
What does the Bible say about when Jesus Christ would return?
Who sees what when?
"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:" Matt 13:13-14
And then Jesus advice on how to see what needs to be seen:
"I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." Rev 3:18
On too many things perhaps, I am still seeing "through a glass darkly", but I keep on dipping into that eyesalve to improve my vision.
"Where there is no vision, the people perish..." Prov. 29:18
Robert Gwin
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You are very welcome Matt, you too as well sir for starting the conversation point.
Philippians 3:20-21 KJV
20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21) Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Romans 8:19-24 KJV
19) For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20) For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21) Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23) And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24) For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
An excellent Biblical hope that is integral to our Christian life.
Much love!
We've been promised more than Spiritual resurrection, we've been promised that our bodies will be make like His also. And we've been told that those who are trusting in this truth purify themselves.
So having the hope of full redemption when Jesus returns visibly is important to us today towards living pleasing lives.
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@marks good scriptures you used there. That hope is indeed noted here on earth while living. That one day you will die and be resurrected given your spiritual body given by God.
I don’t understand how making people wait for Jesus equates to the person understanding and knowledge of his return in the first generation!
See if Jesus did not come back to gather his bride like he said was going to as scripture indicated isn’t he just a liar!?
Why would you believe in Jesus who said he would return to that generation then… though people believe he is still gonna return now today … ?
How can you trust Jesus if you don’t even believe he could come back the generation he decided would be good to work through in order to bring reconciliation to all people?
The Bible would be a farce… if you can’t trust and have faith he did what he had done, and he had victory over sin, Satan and demons, hell/grave, death, separation from God.
I don’t understand how making people wait for Jesus equates to the person understanding and knowledge of his return in the first generation!
See if Jesus did not come back to gather his bride like he said was going to as scripture indicated isn’t he just a liar!?
Why would you believe in Jesus who said he would return to that generation then… though people believe he is still gonna return now today … ?
How can you trust Jesus if you don’t even believe he could come back the generation he decided would be good to work through in order to bring reconciliation to all people?
The Bible would be a farce… if you can’t trust and have faith he did what he had done, and he had victory over sin, Satan and demons, hell/grave, death, separation from God.
Matthew 24:34
The Bible must be a liar then, isn’t this truth? It doesn’t matter if it negates your faith or not.
You say no? Why? Was Jesus being honest here?
how can you have it your way and Jesus way?
The Bible must be a liar then, isn’t this truth? It doesn’t matter if it negates your faith or not.
You say no? Why? Was Jesus being honest here?
how can you have it your way and Jesus way?
Physical resurrection, yes?
That hope is implicit to faithful living today. If you want to live a purified life, then set your hope on our resurrection to become like Jesus in His resurrection.
Spiritually we are that today. But our bodies, that's what we wait for.
We aren't "waiting for Jesus to come" in the sense that He lives in us now. But He has not yet come to rule on the earth, which He will do. And for that we have to wait.
Where did He say that? He didn't so far as I am aware. I'm supposing you mean in Matthew 24, but that's not what the passage is saying.
Much love!
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Thank you for participating mark. You are my brother in Christ and thank you for sharing.
You wanna tell me jesus is lying though I can’t really trust you either then…
I’m called to think for myself and make my own decisions… when it comes to these subjects and it is why the faith to me personally is subjective.
you believe Matthew 24:34 is a lie so I don’t know what to say to you other than hey thank you for participating in my thread we disagree our approach towards each other so… not much room to grow there.
You’re set in your own state of belief and mindset and theological understanding and eschatology understanding. Which is fine, as I am myself.
You wanna tell me jesus is lying though I can’t really trust you either then…
I’m called to think for myself and make my own decisions… when it comes to these subjects and it is why the faith to me personally is subjective.
you believe Matthew 24:34 is a lie so I don’t know what to say to you other than hey thank you for participating in my thread we disagree our approach towards each other so… not much room to grow there.
You’re set in your own state of belief and mindset and theological understanding and eschatology understanding. Which is fine, as I am myself.
What is all this about the Bible being a liar? Let's dial this down, shall we?
Of course it's truth.
Matthew 24:27-31 KJV
27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
These things will indeed happen. "All the tribes of the earth" . . . "shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory".
Every eye will see Him.
Matthew 24:34 KJV
34) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
"generation" here can mean: All born at a certain time. All alive at a certain time. All who are born from a certain group.
Matthew 24:21-22 KJV
21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus promised that humanity would not be allowed to be completely destroy for the sake of the "chosen". Israel was of course the chosen nation from among the rest, so there was the chosen nation, and the gentiles - all the rest.
Having prophesied the preservation of the Jews, Jesus doubles down on that promise,
"this generation shall not pass" until all be fulfilled. The Jews shall not be completely destroyed before Jesus comes to put a stop to the killing.
No, the Bible is not a liar, and Jesus will come to end the great tribulation and rescue His people.
Zechariah 13:7-9 KJV
7) Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8) And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9) And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
Jesus will rescue His remnant of Isreal by His timely return.
Much love!
Why not leave it to me to say what I want and don't want?
I find myself very surprised over you today.
Much love!
When reading Matthew 24 my friend it may be good to start at Matthew 21 first and see what you think about it after that. If you wanna share with me what you believe Jesus meant in a generation you may.
You know I take it as in 40 years the wrath of God was to fall of Israel. What do you believe? I’m getting tired of people telling me what I need to believe or what I don’t need to believe in a sense. Haha. Many people are against Jesus having already returned…
It takes away the excitement of watching Jesus come through the clouds and starting to send lighting bolts down and earthquakes and famine upon the land of America while good boys and girls go on raptured up to heaven and everyone else gets sent to hell… people like it, edge of your seat worthy drama.
that is a known traditional tale…
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Is that how you see me?
I just did in the post you were replying to.
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Think about how the nation of Israel who Jesus was sent to go to, had him killed. At the judgment call of pilate the people told pilate let Jesus blood be on ours and our children’s hand…
Remember the parable of the lot of land that was rented out to a certain people, and there had been people sent to receive payment from the renters. They killed the prophets. The Renter, decided to send his son, in hopes they would respect him… those renters of the Renter. Kill the son of God.
What do you think God would do to those who killed the son of God?
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
The more tied in you are in being assured of what you are studying when it comes to your Bible you won’t have to worry about what others may suggest if you have taken the time to do the studying yourself.
That was the main purpose of this thread:
To share scriptures of what does the Bible say about when Jesus would be coming back?
It’s important to know what the Bible has to say about this return, which I believe happens 40 years after Jesus and his death burial, and resurrection.
Many people have shared different scriptures and some are just the same ones. I don’t believe every single passage in the apostolic record has been founded and shared here yet.
@marks if that is you I don’t care… I’m still not moving from my own stance. I love you regardless our only hope is founded in Jesus. Nothing else.
It’s founded having faith in Jesus who died, buried and resurrected, believing and trusting God while living in this earth. Praying for all people and asking God to help us to live by the Holy Spirit having now being part of the kingdom of heaven now today… knowing that Jesus is true. He has had the victory over all things, and has become one again with his Father know as the Lord God Almighty. God helps us by renewing our heart and renewing our mind, as one seek for him. Ultimately to have love for God first and love for allllllll people, even those who believe in the futuristic view of revelation (which I don’t care all that much about the futuristic view anymore having believed Jesus said what he meant about the 40 year generation in which Israel had fell.
Remember the parable of the lot of land that was rented out to a certain people, and there had been people sent to receive payment from the renters. They killed the prophets. The Renter, decided to send his son, in hopes they would respect him… those renters of the Renter. Kill the son of God.
What do you think God would do to those who killed the son of God?
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
The more tied in you are in being assured of what you are studying when it comes to your Bible you won’t have to worry about what others may suggest if you have taken the time to do the studying yourself.
That was the main purpose of this thread:
To share scriptures of what does the Bible say about when Jesus would be coming back?
It’s important to know what the Bible has to say about this return, which I believe happens 40 years after Jesus and his death burial, and resurrection.
Many people have shared different scriptures and some are just the same ones. I don’t believe every single passage in the apostolic record has been founded and shared here yet.
@marks if that is you I don’t care… I’m still not moving from my own stance. I love you regardless our only hope is founded in Jesus. Nothing else.
It’s founded having faith in Jesus who died, buried and resurrected, believing and trusting God while living in this earth. Praying for all people and asking God to help us to live by the Holy Spirit having now being part of the kingdom of heaven now today… knowing that Jesus is true. He has had the victory over all things, and has become one again with his Father know as the Lord God Almighty. God helps us by renewing our heart and renewing our mind, as one seek for him. Ultimately to have love for God first and love for allllllll people, even those who believe in the futuristic view of revelation (which I don’t care all that much about the futuristic view anymore having believed Jesus said what he meant about the 40 year generation in which Israel had fell.
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May God richly bless you my friend. What I want is to please God. I will be content with any blessing He wants to offer.
I cannot focus right now. My wife is sick in bed and the burden of our physical move this Friday is almost overwhelming me. Thank God for caring children and grandchildren.
Glad to hear the move was successful, sorry about your wife brother… it good you have family to help. Some people do not.
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