What does it mean to be born again?

[Behold]

No, haven't seen the movie, will check this up.
Couldn't find the movie Behold, maybe you can send a link?
J.

Well first of all, its a 37 yr old movie, made for Teens and Family.
I like it because its a sweet movie and its a family movie

I have no link.
I own the DVD.

 

[Johann]

Sure you do. You have something to do with me (and him) every time you come into every single thread he starts and begin to encourage and hold the coats and mutter and rave about heavily drugged, liars, delusional, evil speaking, blah blah blah.

You are in a state of delusion, no doubt about that and I am not the only one observing that.
Both you and your talmin is in a state of delusion.

Now get thee hence!

 

[Behold]

Righteous is as righteous does. It's still doing righteousness if by faith or by works.

You have no righteousness.
Zero, unless God gives you "the Gift of Righteousness".
But as you insulted God's Righteousness as "Whipping Boy" nonsense, then you have an issue that isn't going to be solved by talking about your phony righteousness and self effort, that is pretending to be, righteousness.

 

[Johann]

Just because the doctrines you hold dear are not according to the gospel does not mean a new gospel is being introduced.

Hell has no fury like a woman's scorn.
A heteros gospel is being introduced with an "upper, lower, eternal conciousness, inner/outer...thus is the d'var of Epi. Thus sayeth Epi.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Fair thee good! Get thee hence! Acting! Great script! Delusion! Illusion!

 

[Lizbeth]

I have no idea what the heck you’ve said here. It’s like…you want to have some sort of struggle to come to an agreement whereby your ideas are accepted by me. Or by Epi? Why are you talking about crucifying yourself when you are already crucified, as you have so vociferously argued that you are? It’s like you are saying….my flesh has already been crucified even though it appears to everyone, including myself, that this is not the case, as with that time I attacked a praying man in the prayer forum. But even though my flesh runs amok over a praying man, and even though they had to put me in a month long timeout because of it, that flesh has been crucified and how dare anyone say it hasn’t been! The fact is that, yes, I ran around in my shrieking flesh, but the “truth“ that my flesh has already been crucified trumps the plainly seen fact that my flesh runs out of any kind of control and rules over me.
That is crazy. It really is. There is no ground of reality in what you keep insisting on.
And listen, you will live forever if you’ve been given the down payment of the Spirit. That’s settled. So I can’t quite get at why all the make believe is necessary to you. Even Johann just insisted that even though he still struggles with his flesh, it doesn’t mean he’s not born again, as if anyone claimed he wasn’t. So why not move on then…?

Not surprised that you don't understand what I'm talking about.

I didn't attack that poster, my conversation was only with you. But i was in the wrong, it wasn't the right time or place to try addressing what I was addressing, and felt bad about it....I wasn't thinking straight, and wasn't hearing or reading straight. Too many thoughts crossing my tired mind at the same time fried my circuits. I'm not young any more and boy the change of life has not been kind to the functioning of my brain. I should have waited on the Lord. Soon as the penny dropped I tried to go back and fix it, but my post was already deleted (rightly so) and two seconds later I was deleted too, for a whole month, so couldn't even apologize.

But why did you feel the need to compliment someone on the quality of their prayer. I doubt anyone in desperate circumstances cares about how "beautiful" their prayer is, nor does God. Just because they were Catholic i guess. Oh well.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Hell has no fury like a woman's scorn.
A heteros gospel is being introduced with an "upper, lower, eternal conciousness, inner/outer...thus is the d'var of Epi. Thus sayeth Epi.

Inner/outer? Like you, when you say your outer man has been crucified? But you can’t define what that outer man is? And then You say it’s your flesh that’s your outer man that was crucified, but that you still struggle with that crucified and dead flesh. And listen brothers, this woman scorned is trying to destroy this Doctrine we hold so dear even though we can’t explain it! you see and hear that this scorned woman has persuaded and turned away many people, saying that they are not gods which are made with hands, like our dearly held doctrines! Hell hath no fury! Fair thee no good! Get thee hence! Thus sayeth Johann!

 

[APAK]

Hmmm….okay. I’m not ever going to understand “the occurrence of a figurative crucifixion process.”
im really not going to even try. :)

Well I hope you will never have to be pieced and physically be hoisted on a real wooden slab to fulfill scripture.

The actual process that supports this crucifixion is the carry of the cross that is also figurative although it indicates real progressive spiritual work of course to its completion on the cross as if it was the real thing and the one that Christ was hung on.

I do not understand why you find all this so difficult to grasp. And it seems all of it is foreign to you....??

I would pray for wisdom and understanding. Read the scripture I gave you as you insisted I add in scripture. Have you read them yet?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Not surprised that you don't understand what I'm talking about.

I didn't attack that poster, my conversation was only with you. But i was in the wrong, it wasn't the right time or place to try addressing what I was addressing, and felt bad about it....I wasn't thinking straight, and wasn't hearing or reading straight. Too many thoughts crossing my tired mind at the same time fried my circuits. I'm not young any more and boy the change of life has not been kind to the functioning of my brain. I should have waited on the Lord. Soon as the penny dropped I tried to go back and fix it, but my post was already deleted (rightly so) and two seconds later I was deleted too, for a whole month, so couldn't even apologize.

But why did you feel the need to compliment someone on the quality of their prayer. I doubt anyone in desperate circumstances cares about how "beautiful" their prayer is, nor does God. Just because they were Catholic i guess. Oh well.

The man poured out and shared his hurting heart with an entire forum. How I respond to that is my business. I don’t care if he was or wasn’t Catholic. It’s good though that you feel remorse for it.

 

[Behold]

I do not understand why you find all this so difficult to grasp. And it seems all of it is foreign to you....??

Its because of Episkopos...... as that one told the members here, ....and including Stunnedbygrace... that The Cross of Christ, is "whipping boy" nonsense.
Could the Devil Himself have said it any better?

So, you can imagine what a Thread that is given to try to explain "born again" is going to turn out to be, when the writer is the person who LITERALLY said that The Cross of Jesus, is "whipping boy", nonsense.

Let me show you this Thread and his next one, and Video.

It will be this....= "" there is confusion and every evil work, because... this Thread is.... """"not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish."""

= "whipping boy" nonsense Threads.

You're on one reader., and see the result?

CHAOS, confusion, deception, "DEVILISH"., as "spiritual and theological confusion is of the DEVIL."

Just ask the OP.

 

[Johann]

Inner/outer? Like you, when you say your outer man has been crucified? But you can’t define what that outer man is? And then You say it’s your flesh that’s your outer man that was crucified, but that you still struggle with that crucified and dead flesh. And listen brothers, this woman scorned is trying to destroy this Doctrine we hold so dear even though we can’t explain it! you see and hear that this scorned woman has persuaded and turned away many people, saying that they are not gods which are made with hands, like our dearly held doctrines! Hell hath no fury! Fair thee no good! Get thee hence!

You're not metzachek me, I am insignificant, nothing to boast about, you are mocking YHVH, the Holy One of YisraEl, Yeshua your Judge, void of the Ruach.

You are playing a dangerous game on this Forum.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Its because of Episkopos...... as that one told the members here, including Stunnedbygrace... that The Cross of Christ, is "whipping boy" nonsense.
Could the Devil Himself have said it any better?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You're not metzachek me, I am insignificant, nothing to boast about, you are mocking YHVH, the Holy One of YisraEl, Yeshua your Judge, void of the Ruach.

You are playing a dangerous game on this Forum.

You’re not flibbertygoopit me! I’m insignificant and humble and often speak in four different languages in one sentence! I’m so humble and full of the spirit and you are void of the Spirit! Quit metzacheking me you mocker! Can’t you see how holy and full of myself I am??! Sell all you have and buy a super secret decoder ring so you can decode my holier than thou post!

 

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And how does one go to God?

= THE CROSS...

You know......that "whipping boy" nonsense, as you described it, Episkopos.

"A compromise with the flesh is a compromise of light and darkness. One does not justify the flesh. One goes to God to have it crucified. That is the pathway to the higher walk. That is the truth that sets us free." - Episkopos

Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. (Jesus Christ as quoted by Matthew 10:38)

Whipping boy nonsense?

Know this that the blood shed by Christ is for God. The cross is for us.

There is no simpler way to describe the normal life of one who is justified before God.

If we do not take up the cross, meaning that which God has laid upon us, then we aren't following Him - not worthy of Him as Jesus said.

For instance, if a man loves a woman with deep devotion and God tells that man to turn away from that woman and to put her out of his life, then that man MUST act upon God's command. If that man does not, then God may remove protections and blessings from that man and allow that man to go his own way to possible dishonor, defeat and destruction. Again: if God commands a man to NOT love another man, then that man is required to honor God and put the other man out of his mind and his life.

Those who follow Christ are admonished to love others, but we can't love others (if you know what I mean).

When God speaks to us we are expected to honor and act upon that which He has spoken.
If we refuse to ACT upon that which He has spoken, to carry our cross so to speak, then He may speak no more. He may speak no more to us because there's nothing for Him to talk about since we refuse to listen and ACT upon His words.

Whipping boy nonsense?

You've condemned yourself by your own words. (Acts 13:46b) You judge yourself unworthy of grace to be saved by your refusal to comply with God's LAW, God's commands, God's Word to 'take up your cross and follow Christ' to BE a whipping boy for Jesus.

The righteous do not judge SINNERS because it is SINNERS who judge themselves. (John 3:19)

If we do not embrace this 'whipping boy nonsense' we are not worthy to be saved and God will allow us to DIE like any sick dog or cockroach.

Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. (Ecclesiastes 3:19)

There is no hell. There is only DEATH (Romans 6:23) for those who have not received the Second Birth by the blood and SHOW IT by the cross.

but God is not concerned about lavishing death and destruction upon the sons and daughters of man. He wants all to come to REPENTANCE that they may be saved......and that not of themselves but of that blood HE shed upon the cross for us. (Exodus 12)

Please read Exodus 12. It will give you an insight as to how faith and blood work so as to divert God's wrath away from us.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

[Johann]

You’re not flibbertygoopit me! I’m insignificant and humble and often speak in four different languages in one sentence! I’m so humble and full of the spirit and you are void of the Spirit! Quit metzacheking me you mocker! Can’t you see how holy and full of myself I am??! Sell all you have and buy a super secret decoder ring so you can decode my holier than thou post!
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Frustrating, isn't it? Maybe you should get a job, you are bored.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You are playing a dangerous game on this Forum.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Frustrating, isn't it? Maybe you should get a job, you are bored.

I’m too busy helping you wreck another good thread to get a job.

 

[Johann]

I’m too busy helping you wreck another good thread to get a job.

It's already wrecked, full of dead men's bones. Nothing of interest here.
Checkmate.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It's already wrecked, full of dead men's bones. Nothing of interest here.
Checkmate.

Well it has apparently interested YOU or you would not have come in to try and wreck it for two weeks.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Checkmate.