What does it mean to be born again?

[stunnedbygrace]

Your "whipping boy" is the New Covenant.

So, i would imagine your new Thread is one more publc assault against the Blood Atonement.
Same as this one.

how to speak gibberish.

 

[amigo de christo]

Why do you think you have to redefine sin in order to be righteous in God's eyes? Did Jesus die in order to merely redefine sin...or give us the power of His life to overcome as He overcame? As we abide in Him, we walk as He walked....above sin.

On this you have spoken correctly . REDIFINING SIN is the work of the dark one .
GOD will never change his mind about Sin .
So why does this all inclusive generation accept sin and act as though all is well .
It would be no different than if i were to use the excuse that i set up
a safe place for bank robbers by putting pictures of banks being robbed into my church .
What kind of message would that send .
I mean imagine if i were to set up pictures of little boys and girls
in order to try and so called win the pedophile .
Does that make any sense to you .
SO WHY Does the church set up rainbows and act as though its doing all to be tolerant .
in order to win that group .
ITS ALL a pharce . I wont buy it for a second .
I dont need to win folks by the flesh . ALL I NEED to do is PREACH THE TRUTH
If they recieve it amen if not , WELL that is on them .
I suggest folks stop listening to this universal salvation one world religoin all inclusive lie
and start preaching TRUTH , the gospel that really does save
the LOVE that really does love and dont leave folks in error and sin but rather corrects .
The devil knows how to say love , he knows how to say light
he knows how to say tolerance , liberty , unity , fellowship , and any other word .
BUT REST assured his version will not expose the darkness but rather will accept it in the most caring and loving way ,
WHICH IN TRUTH IS A LIE FROM HELL . folks need to stop heeding what is sensual and rather learn again
the simple childlike truth in that bible .

 

[Episkopos]

On this you have spoken correctly . REDIFINING SIN is the work of the dark one .
GOD will never change his mind about Sin .
So why does this all inclusive generation accept sin and act as though all is well .
It would be no different than if i were to use the excuse that i set up
a safe place for bank robbers by putting pictures of banks being robbed into my church .
What kind of message would that send .
I mean imagine if i were to set up pictures of little boys and girls
in order to try and so called win the pedophile .
Does that make any sense to you .
SO WHY Does the church set up rainbows and act as though its doing all to be tolerant .
in order to win that group .
ITS ALL a pharce . I wont buy it for a second .
I dont need to win folks by the flesh . ALL I NEED to do is PREACH THE TRUTH
If they recieve it amen if not , WELL that is on them .
I suggest folks stop listening to this universal salvation one world religoin all inclusive lie
and start preaching TRUTH , the gospel that really does save
the LOVE that really does love and dont leave folks in error and sin but rather corrects .
The devil knows how to say love , he knows how to say light
he knows how to say tolerance , liberty , unity , fellowship , and any other word .
BUT REST assured his version will not expose the darkness but rather will accept it in the most caring and loving way ,
WHICH IN TRUTH IS A LIE FROM HELL . folks need to stop heeding what is sensual and rather learn again
the simple childlike truth in that bible .

It's God praising time brother. Praise Him everyone! <><

 

[amigo de christo]

It's God praising time brother. Praise Him everyone! <><

Oh how i love to praise and thank the glorious Lord .
But i also need to hear what YA THINK about that post .
Was i a dangerous devil cause i expose certain LOVE SINS which aint love
Was i devil cause i chose to say we must BELIEVE IN CHRIST
was i devil cause i actaully correct brethern that are in sin and error .
Am i monster cause i would kick unrepentant sinners OUT of the church .
Am i a hater cause i wont bow to the dark rainbow
and rather expose that sin too .
Or am i confused cause i preach against the unholy roman mother whore
Or perhaps its cause i expose the workers of darkness even buried within the protestant realm .
is my crime that i actually DO LOVE thus i do correct sin within the church .

 

[amigo de christo]

cause if that is my crime . GUILTY as CHARGED I AM and I REFUSE TO STOP DOING IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

The great courts of the we are one world
and religoin i would be found and will soon be found guilty of death and all for my love
that desired not one to perish not even the very enemies who would cast such a sentence upon me .
CHURCHES WE BEEN DUPED , A FALSE LOVE has taken hold , DONT BUY IT
LIVE FOR CHRIST and do all to win souls and speak ONLY biblical truth .

 

[amigo de christo]

How to flip a goat and why.

How to flip an all inclusive rainbow sin loving goat and why .
GET IT IN THE BIBLE . and the why , cause we desire none to perish , thus flip that goat
away from the doctrines of men gone wrong and give it the pure and holy green grass of the Word and words of GOD and HIS CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

that kid is no different than the many who lead most churches
or sit under them . THEY have no real idea what it means .
As for the kid , the blame is part on his dad . I mean the kid needs to be learning
and not teaching . HE dont even understand . He aint even fully matured at all .
But then most leaders in the churches are the same as the kid
they got picked to lead cause they can stir up the emotions .
This kid needs to LEARN and sit quiet till he has fully matured
just like any other teacher should have done long before he got up and taught .
YET oprah herself is false BIG TIME FALSE . SO dont take your cues from darkness .
EVEN if a brock clock might be right twice a day , ITS WRONG all the other times of that day .
SO TOO is oprah . No false prophet speaks all lies , IT TOO speaks some truths
and this is what can and does make it so dangerous . IT can appear as a sheep but its a wolf . watch out .

 

[stunnedbygrace]

brock clock

I actually do have a broccoli clock. No, I absolutely did not pay money for it.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I actually feel sorry for people who will spend years of their lives stalking and attacking one or two people. I also feel sorry for people who get stuck in a repeating loop, needing to say or do the same things over and over again. It’s sort of a human thing to feel comforted by repetitions and routines. And I guess I understand needing to have someone to attack as the cause of all problems. It’s sort of…anxiety reducing stuff. Yes, it’s dysfunctional anxiety reduction, but seeking to reduce anxiety IS part of the human condition.
In my own family, when I see bizarre behaviors, I automatically assume it’s something that reduces anxiety and gives A feeling of being in control. And then I examine and question and find it’s almost always the case.
And I don’t often know what things those who constantly attack in here deal with on a daily basis because they usually aren’t real open and don’t discuss their inner life like I often do. I don’t know if they’re on medications for mental state, if they are in an abusive cycle with someone, how awful their childhood might have been, whether they battle addiction, etc.
I just can’t let them abuse others without speaking! It’s never okay to stalk and abuse someone just to relieve your anxieties.

 

[Lizbeth]

The dangerous theology (the Great Delusion) is the scheme that has Jesus justifying the flesh and sin.

You have talked about foundations...and how my putting Christ HIMSELF as my foundation is dangerous.

But you are seeing things backwards. You trust the Christ in YOU...big emphasis on the YOU.

But note this...

Building on the Christ in an uncrucified you is not the same thing as building on the Christ in a crucified you. A world of difference there...that you are unable to see.

Those who build on the mixture of Christ and YOU...are building with wood, hay and stubble.

Those who go to WHERE Christ is and buy from Him the pure materials that are tested in holy fire...build with gold, silver and precious stones.

Your own foundation is carnal and religious...as it neglects to go to where they buy the oil and the eye salve that makes one truly see.

Could it be the same truth but two levels of the same truth, as it were...? If so it is true on both levels and we dont' have to throw the baby out with the water. Please consider that possibility, try it on for size so to speak and see if it fits.

 

[Lizbeth]

So you're saying that Paul's life didn't line up with righteousness...that he was messed up when He preached and wrote the epistles? That somehow you are far more on track than He was?
I think you are delusional, sister. You are asleep and need to be awakened into an eternal consciousness and reality. Your religion is blinding you to the truth. This is what Paul said when He preached...



1 Cor. 2:3 “And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.”

Are you greater than Paul? I don't think you are what you think you are.

I dont' think I'm anything, but I think you must have misunderstood something...that isn't what I meant at all. What I meant was we don't have to consider the foundation things to only be talking about a higher walk, if what Paul and other apostles taught is foundational. But consider that it might also at the same time on another level be talking about a higher walk. That would agree with Jesus being the cornerstone (foundation) and capstone (finishing topstone), as well being Author and Finisher of our faith. IOW the same truth is both foundation and finishing topstone. I dont' know, it's making sense to me at the moment but I will think about it some more.

 

[quietthinker]

You mean like even just lusting after another person is sin? Or being angry against a brother is murder?

Something along those lines. sbg mentioned not believing God in Eden is where they stumbled. I think that's it.
How does one believe in the man if what is presented leaves little if anything to get 'excited' about The Man? Sure, 'facts' can be rattled off about him just like one can rattle off facts about the President but that's a long cry from knowing him.
I think believing/ knowing him generates an ongoing 'melting' process......one to which those who see are drawn like a magnet.
When one is not drawn to The Man, its substitute is that of talking 'religion' and being 'religious'.

 

[Episkopos]

I dont' think I'm anything, but I think you must have misunderstood something...that isn't what I meant at all. What I meant was we don't have to consider the foundation things to only be talking about a higher walk, if what Paul and other apostles taught is foundational.

Paul was only interested in the higher walk, He was apprehended by God to do that...to minister miracles and walk around like a dead man...crucified in his outer man....but experiencing the exquisite walk that is in Zion. When He says he is seated in heavenly places...he's talking about a real walk in a real place. Not some religious ego trip we see among the rich spoiled Westerners.

I've been trying to explain to you that instead of claiming everything for yourself as if you already were experiencing the higher walk...while you are only walking in human strength ...which disqualifies you from the kingdom...why not HUMBLE yourself and seek God for that higher walk...for real! A real encounter, and a real empowering, and a real translation into the kingdom walk in Zion? It's the best kept secret in the world...and the church!

But consider that it might also at the same time on another level be talking about a higher walk. That would agree with Jesus being the cornerstone (foundation) and capstone (finishing topstone), as well being Author and Finisher of our faith.

You have to go to Jesus to have your faith finished...Not just continue to do as you've always done. I know many people who confuse themselves and what they can do ....with Christ and what He can do. And it never ends well. Pretending is as bad as giving up entirely. (as I speak about in podcast #9)

IOW the same truth is both foundation and finishing topstone. I dont' know, it's making sense to me at the moment but I will think about it some more.

Please do. We start with a burst of grace from heaven and we finish with a burst of grace INTO heaven. So we are being drawn into a close walk and fellowship with the living God. Consider that...By faith Enoch was translated....why use that analogy to explain faith??? Could the writer of Hebrews know about coming before God in Zion? Study on it.

 

[quietthinker]

By the way, you sent me to the wrong place, it’s John 16, not John 6. But it was okay, I saw something in the wrong place you sent me to I’d never seen before. :)

ah yes, 16...sorry.

 

[Episkopos]

Something along those lines. sbg mentioned not believing God in Eden is where they stumbled. I think that's it.
How does one believe in the man if what is presented leaves little if anything to get 'excited' about The Man? Sure, 'facts' can be rattled off about him just like one can rattle off facts about the President but that's a long cry from knowing him.
I think believing/ knowing him generates an ongoing 'melting' process......one to which those who see are drawn like a magnet.
When one is not drawn to The Man, its substitute is that of talking 'religion' and being 'religious'.

Yes... Why is this such an evil concept for so many? Could it be a religious spirit...or..a crow spirit as I call it.

 

[quietthinker]

Yes... Why is this such an evil concept for so many? Could it be a religious spirit...or..a crow spirit as I call it.

I think the seductiveness of religion or being religious has to do with hiding. It justifies the lack of and or does not question anything to do with self honesty. It puts in its place an image and language that mimics piety.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Paul was only interested in the higher walk, He was apprehended by God to do that...to minister miracles and walk around like a dead man...crucified in his outer man....but experiencing the exquisite walk that is in Zion. When He says he is seated in heavenly places...he's talking about a real walk in a real place. Not some religious ego trip we see among the rich spoiled Westerners.

I've been trying to explain to you that instead of claiming everything for yourself as if you already were experiencing the higher walk...while you are only walking in human strength ...which disqualifies you from the kingdom...why not HUMBLE yourself and seek God for that higher walk...for real! A real encounter, and a real empowering, and a real translation into the kingdom walk in Zion? It's the best kept secret in the world...and the church!


You have to go to Jesus to have your faith finished...Not just continue to do as you've always done. I know many people who confuse themselves and what they can do ....with Christ and what He can do. And it never ends well. Pretending is as bad as giving up entirely. (as I speak about in podcast #9)

Please do. We start with a burst of grace from heaven and we finish with a burst of grace INTO heaven. So we are being drawn into a close walk and fellowship with the living God. Consider that...By faith Enoch was translated....why use that analogy to explain faith??? Could the writer of Hebrews know about coming before God in Zion? Study on it.

What does “disqualified from the kingdom” mean and entail? Is it saying if you never reach that promised land while alive that you will die the second death?
This is what I think most people dont understand in what you’ve said here. It sounds like you're saying God never accepts any man who doesn’t make it to walking in the Spirit.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I think the seductiveness of religion or being religious has to do with hiding. It justifies the lack of and or does not question anything to do with self honesty. It puts in its place an image and language that mimics piety.

Well yeah! First thing Adam did. Tried to hide and cover himself with…something.

 

[Episkopos]

What does “disqualified from the kingdom” mean and entail? Is it saying if you never reach that promised land while alive that you will die the second death?
This is what I think most people dont understand in what you’ve said here. It sounds like you're saying God never accepts any man who doesn’t make it to walking in the Spirit.

Not at all. Most believers will never enter into the kingdom realm in this world...only those who God has chosen to. The way is narrow and FEW find it.

You'd have to understand the difference between the righteous and the holy. Even though we are born again in a burst of holiness...going to where there is perpetual holiness (the high calling) is very specific. Unless we meet the exact criteria...we are not qualified to enter in. It takes faith...ALL our faith, all our hearts. Anything less and nothing happens. It's a critical mass...which is ALL.

When we seek God with ALL our hearts....

And then there is the vast majority of the saved...the meek among the nations that the saints rule over in the next age.

So then to be ACCEPTED by God into the future age...we need humility and the fear of the Lord.

To be pleasing to the Lord we need to be walking in the resurrection life of Jesus.

Many are called (the righteous) and few are chosen (the holy).

God goes easy on the righteous. They are meek and claim only to be unprofitable. These are honest. The holy have a VERY HARD judgment. Anyone who fakes it and claims to be on that level...who claims to see.. and does NOT...will be cut off from God forever. There will be weeping and anger. The ones who make God's way of holiness filthy will wander in the wilderness forever. These are outcasts...Canaan prophetically (Ham) And Yapheth (the righteous) will dwell in the tents of Shem (the saints)