What does it mean to be born again?

[Episkopos]

Believe me, I have struggled with what would be the best way to respond to men who enter with the sole purpose of tearing down and destroying and hating. This is where I currently am. I cannot let a mob beat the daylights out of a brother or sister without speaking. I cannot ignore a destroying mob and just let them abuse someone, even IF I personally think the person is mistaken in some things. I can ignore one person doing it but when they all run in and take turns and encourage each other to beat a man to death, I can’t ignore it.
And it sickens me when they do it and then Crow how the person is abusing THEM.

It's abusing the spirit (crow) they are hiding their carnal selves under. People who don't go to the cross either...give up the Christian life altogether...take on a false spirit that covers their flesh (as per Luther)...or else remains on the narrow path agonizing (aganizomai in Greek) in humility and godly fear WITHOUT claiming anything that is against the truth. My ministry is to rescue those who have gotten themselves filthy by taking a wrong turn...actually a wrong exit from the way of uprightness (mesilat yesharim).

But to remain on the way of righteousness requires a support system of some kind...encouraging one another to remain in faith, hope and love...asking, seeking, and knocking....at least being ACCEPTABLE to God if one cannot be pleasing to Him.

2 Cor. 5:9 “Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.”

 

[Behold]

You demean God, His ways, His sacrifice, and His servants. While you still have a chance to repent the horrible eternity that awaits you...repent.

Liars, dont use quotes.
See yourself again, Episkopos?

So, Get over your pride., that is your entire Theology.

You have nothing., but legalism, to offer these members.

You preach, "keep the law" and Jesus died to free you from "the Curse of the Law."

You defined the Grace of God as "free stuff" and The Cross of Christ as "whipping boy"' nonsense.

 

[Behold]

take on a false spirit that covers their flesh (as per Luther).

Here you are again , lost in your attention craving pipe dream, making up more nonsense........this time, regarding Luther.
Not one quote, as DECEIVERS never post quotes., as you prove.
You're actually denying the Gospel of Grace, as "covers their flesh".

So, your devout legalism is text book, devil inspired.

"""""So it is no surprise if Satan's servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. (law-keeping fanatics)... Their end will correspond to their deeds.""""

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Liars, dont use quotes.
See yourself again, Episkopos?

So, Get over your pride., that is your entire Theology.

You have nothing., but legalism, to offer these members.

You preach, "keep the law" and Jesus died to free you from "the Curse of the Law."

You defined the Grace of God as "free stuff" and The Cross of Christ as "whipping boy"' nonsense.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Here you are again , lost in your attention craving pipe dream, making up more nonsense........this time, regarding Luther.
Not one quote, as DECEIVERS never post quotes., as you prove.
You're actually denying the Gospel of Grace, as "covers their flesh".

So, your devout legalism is text book, devil inspired.

"""""So it is no surprise if Satan's servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. (law-keeping fanatics)... Their end will correspond to their deeds.""""

Kangaroo being a jerk.

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[Mr E]

I decided to sit this one out. To be a passer-by.

It didn’t matter. Every one of his ( @Episkopos ) threads begins and ends the same way.

First there is a dishonest question that he poses, but wants no answer to. What he wants is to tell you what he thinks. He wants you to climb aboard the Epis train and be taken down a certain track in the direction he has appointed for any sucked along.

And they all descend into legalistic opinion and attitude and conclude with @stunnedbygrace throwing rocks and mocking any who dare to declare the emperor has no clothes.

It’s not only typical. It’s so typical it’s become entirely predictable- and boring.

I’ll sit the next one out too.

Enjoy the next peace train derailment. Like all train wrecks it’s fun to watch but you wouldn’t want to be an actual part of it.

 

[Behold]

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It could be that Episkopos... will come by soon, and give you another "like",.... and in that case, you have achieved your daily goal, here, on the Forum......once again.

So, i'll leave you to it.

 

[Episkopos]

I decided to sit this one out. To be a passer-by.

It didn’t matter. Every one of his ( @Episkopos ) threads begins and ends the same way.

First there is a dishonest question that he poses, but wants no answer to. What he wants is to tell you what he thinks. He wants you to climb aboard the Epis train and be taken down a certain track in the direction he has appointed for any sucked along.

And they all descend into legalistic opinion and attitude and conclude with @stunnedbygrace throwing rocks and mocking any who dare to declare the emperor has no clothes.

It’s not only typical. It’s so typical it’s become entirely predictable- and boring.

I’ll sit the next one out too.

Enjoy the next peace train derailment. Like all train wrecks it’s fun to watch but you wouldn’t want to be an actual part of it.

Trainspotting then? Actually my threads begin with a beautiful idea that unfolds the truth in a step-wise fashion...then the crows begin circling and hurling abuse on me...which I let happen...then I interject to bring clarity and purpose back to the thread. Anyone with any discernment will see what I am teaching about the state of the modern church come clear before their very eyes. The fact that God allows this and doesn't open up the ground beneath their feet shows we are in a time where God is exercising patience and forbearance. But God will not strive with carnal rebellion forever.

I invite those who have taken on another spirit and believed another gospel to repent and seek the face of the Lord....while there is still time.

 

[Behold]

The fact that God allows this and doesn't open up the ground beneath their feet

Keep looking at that ground.
Give it time.

 

[Lizbeth]

I have no problem with, “I disagree and here’s how I see it,” or “I think I disagree with that.” (Epi doesn’t either.)
I have a problem with: I disagree and you are teaching demonic things and are a worker for satan for questioning or even DARING to discuss whether the doctrinal idols of my fathers might be wrong in places! So I will caterwaul at the top of my lungs and attempt to get your thread into a bloody brawl so they will shut it down and you will be silenced and not allowed to “spread your disinformation.”
I have seen the largest Christian forum there was run itself into the ground and it is no more. They censored and shut down freedom to question, discuss and ask until, towards the end, I quite literally saw a man kicked out for preaching the WHOLE gospel, the pleasant parts AND the parts bitter to our flesh.

I fully and completely agree. I disagree is good. You are the devil because I disagree is bad.

Thats good.

It’s perfectly fine to speak what you currently understand to be truth. Your mind is being renewed. As a result, there’s going to be some changing of your mind at various stages. If no changing of the mind ever occurred as we grew, it wouldn’t be renewing, it would be opposition to God and stagnation.

Not grasping what you mean.

Well I think those kinds of rebukes would be above my pay grade. But I have to take what is being said about the foundational things here seriously and do consider it to be dangerous theology. Doesn't mean I hate anyone though, on the contrary I pray the Lord will straighten them out on that point for their own sake as much as anyone's. Did I say something out of line in the heat of argument here....feel free to point it out.

Can't help but notice your bias though....it's ok for some to behave badly but not others, depending on whether you agree with their theology or not. And the same with you, when you behave badly it gets a pass and even agreed with by those you agree with. Oh well. Human nature. Trying not to expect too much justice in this life.

 

[Episkopos]

If Paul the apostle walked in fear and trembling and He was intimate with God (for real)...how much MORE should the spoiled rich Westerners of today be shaking like a leaf knowing that so few of us will enter into the kingdom.

but that would take wisdom, knowledge, understanding, humility and honesty...which we don't find here.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Eccle. 8:12 Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:
13 But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he fears not before God.

 

[Behold]

If Paul the apostle walked in fear and trembling

Let me untwist your verse for you..

Paul said to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling".

Here is how to see it.....>"learn to exist in the Salvation you have been given, as the Gift of Salvation, ...while holding God in your heart with awe and wonder"...

 

[Lizbeth]

If Paul the apostle walked in fear and trembling and He was intimate with God (for real)...how much MORE should the spoiled rich Westerners of today be shaking like a leaf knowing that so few of us will enter into the kingdom.

but that would take wisdom, knowledge, understanding, humility and honesty...which we don't find here.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Eccle. 8:12 Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:
13 But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he fears not before God.

I agree that this is true of many in the church today, they have lost the fear of the Lord and I do not agree with hyper grace messages, they are dangerous theology. But having the sure foundation doesn't nullify having the fear of God if our hearts are right. The fear of God is for any area of our life and walk that doesn't line up with His righteousness...it propels us to keep pressing forward and seeking the Lord for whatever we have need of.

The teachings of the apostles are part of that foundation.....they are foundational.

Eph 2:20

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

 

[Episkopos]

Well I think those kinds of rebukes would be above my pay grade. But I have to take what is being said about the foundational things here seriously and do consider it to be dangerous theology.

The dangerous theology (the Great Delusion) is the scheme that has Jesus justifying the flesh and sin.

You have talked about foundations...and how my putting Christ HIMSELF as my foundation is dangerous.

But you are seeing things backwards. You trust the Christ in YOU...big emphasis on the YOU.

But note this...

Building on the Christ in an uncrucified you is not the same thing as building on the Christ in a crucified you. A world of difference there...that you are unable to see.

Those who build on the mixture of Christ and YOU...are building with wood, hay and stubble.

Those who go to WHERE Christ is and buy from Him the pure materials that are tested in holy fire...build with gold, silver and precious stones.

Your own foundation is carnal and religious...as it neglects to go to where they buy the oil and the eye salve that makes one truly see.

 

[Episkopos]

I agree that this is true of many in the church today, they have lost the fear of the Lord and I do not agree with hyper grace messages, they are dangerous theology. But having the sure foundation doesn't nullify having the fear of God if our hearts are right. The fear of God is for any area of our life and walk that doesn't line up with His righteousness...it propels us to keep pressing forward and seeking the Lord for whatever we have need of.

The teachings of the apostles are part of that foundation.....they are foundational.

Eph 2:20

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

So you're saying that Paul's life didn't line up with righteousness...that he was messed up when He preached and wrote the epistles? That somehow you are far more on track than He was?
I think you are delusional, sister. You are asleep and need to be awakened into an eternal consciousness and reality. Your religion is blinding you to the truth. This is what Paul said when He preached...



1 Cor. 2:3 “And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.”

Are you greater than Paul? I don't think you are what you think you are.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

It could be that Episkopos... will come by soon, and give you another "like",.... and in that case, you have achieved your daily goal, here, on the Forum......once again.

So, i'll leave you to it.

How to flip a goat and why.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Well I think those kinds of rebukes would be above my pay grade. But I have to take what is being said about the foundational things here seriously and do consider it to be dangerous theology. Doesn't mean I hate anyone though, on the contrary I pray the Lord will straighten them out on that point for their own sake as much as anyone's. Did I say something out of line in the heat of argument here....feel free to point it out.

Can't help but notice your bias though....it's ok for some to behave badly but not others, depending on whether you agree with their theology or not. And the same with you, when you behave badly it gets a pass and even agreed with by those you agree with. Oh well. Human nature. Trying not to expect too much justice in this life.

Yeah well, maybe make a concentrated effort, perhaps in the next thread he starts, to see who throws the first punch.

 

[Behold]

The dangerous theology (the Great Delusion) is the scheme that has Jesus justifying the flesh and sin.

Are you just beyond confused, and thereby confusing "justifying flesh and sin" with..... " Jesus is The one time eternal sacrifice for all sin"... and "God hath made Jesus be be sin for us", "?

What denomination teaches "Has Jesus justifying the flesh and sin".

I realize you made all that up.

So, is that some hybrid forum of "OSAS" nonsense that you defined as "justifying the flesh and sin"?, with the "whipping boy"?

And could you also tell the readers here why you do not believe that Jesus Keeps you saved, unless you do it, Episkopos?

 

[Episkopos]

Yeah well, maybe make a concentrated effort, perhaps in the next thread he starts, to see who throws the first punch.

Yes...I started another thread about the New Covenant. I think it's going too far over people's heads...who don't realize a covenant is a two-way street. Next podcast will be "How to walk in righteousness" That will be covering the walk that is ACCEPTABLE to God...that doesn't overreach into iniquity. Should be a lot of fun. :)

 

[Behold]

Yes...I started another thread about the New Covenant.

Your "whipping boy" is the New Covenant.