quietthinker
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What David is saying in the Psalm you quoted is, there is nowhere one can go without God being there.
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What did Christ mean saying, God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
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I had replies to @Matthias and @Brakelite typed up and was close to being ready to post them when I accidentally lost it all. They were long, it'll take time to type it all again, but I'll do so as soon as I can.
Thank you for taking the time to write to me. I’m sorry that it was accidentally lost.
I typically don’t read or reply to long posts. If you want me to read it - and I think you do - breaking it up, reducing it in size, giving it to me in short parts - I would appreciate it.
A long post comes across to me as a lecture. To respond to a lecture with a lecture is exhausting even to contemplate, and might not even be read. If I reply with a lecture I put the person I’m replying to in the position that exhausts me, and I don’t want to do that.
I treat others in my posts the way I would like others to treat me in theirs. (But how others treat me is up to them.)
You're welcome. I reset my computer one day forgetting that when I do that anything that is typed in this posting box doesn't save. And, I'm concise in my responses when able, but there are some topics or replies that need to be long. Jesus's own discourses were long, not snippets as what we get in The Bible.
Back in the days when I was a college student, the professor handed out a two-panel cartoon to us in his preaching class.
In the first panel the preacher is saying, “In this morning’s sermon I will be sharing with you 25 reasons why …”. In the second panel the eyes of the congregation are already glazed over.
In the first panel the preacher is saying, “In this morning’s sermon I will be sharing with you 25 reasons why …”. In the second panel the eyes of the congregation are already glazed over.
Thanks to Jesus through His spokesperson Maria Valtorta, for example, I've read His discourses in full, and when I've shared them most people couldn't handle the lengthy ones. There are times when it's necessary to speak or write at length about something, and if one doesn't pay attention the seeds of knowledge being planted won't take root.
In that case I would say follow your conscience in the matter. Do what has worked best for you in your experience.
When I speak or write I want people to pay attention, just as you do. I find that is more likely to happen when I keep it brief. I approach it as a dialogue opportunity - I was a dialogue preacher before I retired, something which my homiletics professors detested and wouldn’t allow in their classrooms - rather than a sermon / lecture opportunity.
To all I would advise: know your audience.
You also have to understand that there are certain subjects that can't be spoken of in brief if they're to be properly conveyed and understood.
I do. There is an audience setting where lectures are appropriate.
What I’ve found most effective in my personal experience with the average person on “certain subjects that can’t be spoken of in brief” is covering it, all of it, via dialogue.
quietthinker
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From a distance, and with limited interaction between us, you shape up from what I’ve observed in your posts to myself and others as a conversationalist, not a lecturer. That‘s my impression. That’s how I see you shaping up.
To know you better I would have to learn more about you, from you, and through experience that comes from spending time with you.
Would you prefer to listen to a one-way monologue lecture delivered by me or would you prefer a two-way dialogue conversation with me? At the moment, I would say it is the latter.
You know yourself. How did I do?
quietthinker
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Two way is always a trick isn't it? I think it is easier when I love someone. I say 'I think' because even when I love, I need to remind myself to hear. I say to myself, 'you say you love God, do you hear him?' It gives me pause.
How did you do? I have noticed improvement from our past interactions.
Here I stand. Awaiting the tome of @asoul. I‘ll decide what to do with after it’s delivered.
My final word on it for the time being is that I’ve attempted to convey to him accurate information about his audience, me; and I appreciate that he cares enough about me (and about the subject matter) to take the time to recompose it.
My final word on it for the time being is that I’ve attempted to convey to him accurate information about his audience, me; and I appreciate that he cares enough about me (and about the subject matter) to take the time to recompose it.
To my surprise, a further word on the matter. An incident from the past nagged at me while I was sleeping.
Hebrews 9:27, the death of Mary, and e-martyrdom.
A few years I ago I asked a Catholic (on an internet discussion forum which no longer exists) about the death of Mary. The Catholic denied that Mary had ever died. I spoke with a relative of my wife’s family (an uncle who is a deacon in the Catholic Church where we were married) about Mary’s death. He said she eventually died and was assumed into heaven. (He provided no details on how, when, why or where she died.) I returned to the Catholic I had been speaking with online and was promptly e-martyred by him.
@asoul, this is a subject which I would be interested in reading from you. How, when, why and where did Mary die?
All souls will be raised up not one soul will miss judgement some for hell some for heaven.No one gets to stay in the grave Jesus put a end to death it does not exist except death of the body.God is the God of the living not the dead.
Death of the body, not death of the person.
According to scripture (1 Timothy 6:16), God alone (the Messiah’s God) inherently possesses immortality. It is something, a gift (Romans 6:23), which he has given to Jesus and will give to others, not to all, in the future. How does that fit with your view that all human beings already have it?
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I had bookmarked this on X / Twitter back in August, intending to ask about it here. I became distracted by other things - on and away from the forum - and forgot all about it.
“THIS IS HOW THE VIRGIN MARY DIED ACCORDING TO SAN JUAN DAMASCENO, DOCTOR OF THE CHURCH …”
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Is this consistent with what you believe @asoul?
I don't have that view and never said anything like that. The bible clearly says all souls will be raised up for Judgement some to be judged in faith and some for the white thrown Judgement as the bible says.Not one soul will be left in the grave all will face Christ.You are either raised up and judged to hell or raised up to eternal life its one or the other.All those in hell will be thrown into the lake of fire which will be their end and final death.
You have to be raised up to go to hell the church actually teaches this how else can you go to hell.
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