What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Matthias]

When you talk about what is possible there are infinite things God could do but he chooses to be 3 persons.

Someone else told us that God chose to be nine persons.

“Man, I feel revelation knowledge already coming on me here. Lift your hands. Something new is going to happen here today. I felt it just as I walked down here. Holy Spirit, take over in the name of Jesus … God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person; and he is a triune being by himself, separate from the Son and the Holy Ghost. Say, what did you say? Hear it, hear it, hear it. See, God the Father is a person, God the Son is a person, God the Holy Ghost is a person. But each one of them is a triune being by himself. If I can shock you - and maybe I should - there’s nine of them. Huh, what did you say? Let me explain: God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person with His own personal spirit, with His own personal soul, and His own personal spirit body. You say, Huh, I never heard that. Well, you think you’re in this church to hear things you’ve heard for the last 50 years? You can’t argue with the Word, can you? It’s all in the Word.”

(Benny Hinn, “Praise The Lord,” October 3, 1990)

Nine In The Godhead

“With [the Trinity] all things are possible.”

It’s “all in the Word”? It’s the Holy Spirit “taking over”? It’s “the Trinity”?

I know how those who adhere to historical orthodox trinitarianism combat it. How do you, if you do, combat it?

If it helps, Hinn believes in “the deity of Christ”.

 

[RLT63]

Someone else told us that God chose to be nine persons.

“Man, I feel revelation knowledge already coming on me here. Lift your hands. Something new is going to happen here today. I felt it just as I walked down here. Holy Spirit, take over in the name of Jesus … God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person; and he is a triune being by himself, separate from the Son and the Holy Ghost. Say, what did you say? Hear it, hear it, hear it. See, God the Father is a person, God the Son is a person, God the Holy Ghost is a person. But each one of them is a triune being by himself. If I can shock you - and maybe I should - there’s nine of them. Huh, what did you say? Let me explain: God the Father, ladies and gentlemen, is a person with His own personal spirit, with His own personal soul, and His own personal spirit body. You say, Huh, I never heard that. Well, you think you’re in this church to hear things you’ve heard for the last 50 years? You can’t argue with the Word, can you? It’s all in the Word.”

(Benny Hinn, “Praise The Lord,” October 3, 1990)

Nine In The Godhead

“With [the Trinity] all things are possible.”

It’s “all in the Word”? It’s the Holy Spirit “taking over”? It’s “the Trinity”?

I know how those who adhere to historical orthodox trinitarianism combat it. How do you, if you do, combat it?

If it helps, Hinn believes in “the deity of Christ”.

He also believes he can heal people (as long as they don't have any visible signs of impairment or medically diagnosed conditions)

 

[Matthias]

He also believes he can heal people (as long as they don't have any visible signs of impairment or medically diagnosed conditions)

As long as he believes in “the deity of Christ,” good enough.

Not in the Messiah’s Jewish monotheism.

 

[BeyondET]

Reminds me of a question I used to get. If God is all powerful can he make a rock so big that God himself can't lift it?

Yes God can make a rock that big even He couldn't lift it but God can make it disappear without touching it lol...

 

[RLT63]

As long as he believes in “the deity of Christ,” good enough.

Not in the Messiah’s Jewish monotheism.

Evander Holifield does claim he was healed of heart problems when Hinn prayed for him so there is that.

 

[Matthias]

Yes God can make a rock that big even He couldn't lift it but God can make it disappear without touching it lol...

With [the Trinity, a being having three brains and three hearts] all things are possible.

The big rock never stood a chance.

 

[Matthias]

Evander Holifield does claim he was healed of heart problems when Hinn prayed for him so there is that.

It’s a miracle! The 9 person Trinity is at least as mighty as the 3 person Trinity.

You can’t argue against a miracle, can you?

P.S.

Evander’s children went to the same Christian School my daughter attended. I’m sure he had no problem signing the school’s required “I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit” application affirmation statement - 9 person Trinity? Close enough.

 

[Kermos]

Does it...? Says who? That is an assumption. Show me the scripture that directly says Jesus is Yahweh.



Another assumption but no clear scripture....If no one is "good" but God alone, then Jesus was dismissing what was said to him when he was addressed as "good teacher".

In context it isn't saying what you want it to....


"As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone."

If he was God, then he would be "good" in the superlative sense, so he would be saying 'yes, I am good'....but he said "why do you call ME good" meaning that he was not God....do you have a comprehension problem? You are reading into scripture what you want to believe.



Well actually the Jews were not saying that he was claiming to be "YHWH".....he was simply claiming divinity as the "son of God".


Read John 10:31-36 in the Greek Interlinear...

"The ho Jews Ioudaios again palin brought bastazō stones lithos to hina stone lithazō him autos. 32 Jesus Iēsous said apokrinomai to them autos, · ho “ I have shown deiknymi you hymeis many polys noble kalos works ergon from ek the ho Father patēr; for dia which poios one ergon of them autos do you intend to stone lithazō me egō?” 33 The ho Jews Ioudaios answered apokrinomai him autos, “It is not ou for peri a noble kalos work ergon that we intend to stone lithazō you sy but alla for peri blasphemy blasphēmia; · kai it is because hoti you sy, a mere man anthrōpos, are making poieō yourself seautou God theos.”


Jesus was not making himself out to be God ("ho theos") at all in that verse. He had shown them many things "from the Father", not from himself. He did not receive the holy spirit until his baptism when he was given the power to perform miracles. Before then he was just Jesus, the Carpenter Joseph's oldest son.


What he said to the Jews was...


"do legō you hymeis say legō regarding the one whom hos the ho Father patēr consecrated hagiazō and kai sent apostellō into eis the ho world kosmos, ‘ You are blaspheming blasphēmeō,’ because hoti I said legō, ‘ I am eimi the Son hyios of ho God theos’?


The translations that fail to identify "ho theos" as YHWH are failed translations. Look up John 1:1 in the Greek Interlinear and see exactly the same problem....The Word was "with HO THEOS" but he was not "Ho Theos" he was just "theos"...."a god"....a divinely authorized servant of the Most High. (Acts 4:27)



Twisted....

John 5:18...

"This was why dia the ho Jews Ioudaios were seeking zēteō all the more mallon to kill apokteinō him autos, because hoti he not ou only monon used to break lyō the ho Sabbath sabbaton, but alla he legō also kai was calling legō God theos his own idios Father patēr, · ho thus making poieō himself heautou equal isos with ho God theos."


The Jews said that he was 'making himself equal with God by claiming YHWH was his Father.

If claiming to be "the son of God" was blasphemy...then imagine what they would have done if he had claimed to be "God incarnate"! 

Apparently, you need to read the entirety of the post to which you replied in order to see who says Jesus is YHWH God.

@Aunty Jane

The Truth (John 14:6) has been proclaimed to you, and in a single post, you expose a multitude of Watchtower Society people's deception:

• From Apostolic testimony, the Word of God reveals Jesus as truly God and truly Man at His discretion, and the children of God do so according to the Holy Spirit, yet you deny this Truth (John 14:6) as shown in this linked post.
• From Apostolic testimony, the Greek grammar very specifically results in the Apostle Paul calling Jesus "the great God" in Titus 2:13, yet you deny this Truth (John 14:6) as shown in this linked post.
• Your heart corrupts Apostolic testimony because you added words into Paul's words, so you deny tte Truth (John 14:6) that Paul wrote as shown in this linked post.
• From Apostolic testimony, the Apostle Thomas calls Jesus "my God" in John 20:28, yet you deny this Truth (John 14:6) as shown in this linked post.
• From Apostolic testimony, there is One True God, and no other true gods exist (The figure of speech called an oxymoron respecting "you are gods" (Psalm 82:6, John 10:34) and "many gods" (1 Corinthians 8:5)), yet you deny this Truth (John 14:6) as shown in this linked post.
• From Apostolic testimony, the Names of God are precious to Christians, and this includes the Name of God "Immanuel" for in this Name is our blessed Salvation (Matthew 1:23) - "Salvation belongs to YHWH" (Psalm 3:8), yet you vainly use the Names of God, so you deny this Truth (John 14:6) as shown in this linked post.
• The Word, Jesus, is everlasting God (John 1:1, Psalm 119:89), yet you deny this Truth (John 14:6) by thinking the Word is "a god" as shown in this linked post.
• God's memorial-name to all generations is the ever-present "I AM" according to accurately translated Scripture from the Tanakh (Exodus 3:14), yet you deny this Truth (John 14:6) as shown in this linked post.
• Jesus declares in no uncertain terms that He is uncreated with "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58), yet you deny this Truth (John 14:6) as shown in this linked post.
• YHWH is God's Holy Name, yet you think Jehovah, a name intentionally removed from God's Holy Name, is God's name as shown in this linked post.
• Jesus being "the Beginning of the creation of God" (Revelation 3:14) refers to Jesus being the starting point Creator God of all the Assembly of God, that is, the creation of God - not that Jesus was created for He did not say "I am the first created being of the creation of God" (your conjuring), yet you deny this Truth (John 14:6) as shown in this linked post.
• Your heart's "Jesus is not I AM" treasure is false because the Word of God says "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58) and "unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24) thus Jesus proclaims that He is "I AM" - THAT HE IS YHWH GOD (EXODUS 3:14), yet you deny this Truth (John 14:6) as shown in this linked post.
• The One True God (Deuteronomy 6:4) is Spirit (John 4:24), and the One True God exists as the person of the Father (John 17:11, Romans 1:7) and the person of Jesus (John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:58) and the person of the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17, Acts 5:3-4), yet you deny this Holy Truth (John 14:6) as shown in this linked post.

The Truth (John 14:6) is that Jesus is God for the ever living Word of God proclaims this Truth "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58) and the Word of God says "I will settle him in My house and in My kingdom forever, and his throne shall be established forever" (1 Chronicles 17:14), so according to the Word, Lord Jesus existed in eternity past and will exist in eternity future which means the Word is uncreated thus the Word proclaims that the Word is YHWH God for there is NO other that exists in eternity past and future (Isaiah 45:5).

Jesus is God with us per the Apostle (Matthew 1:23), so Jesus is truly Almighty God, YHWH, with us (Revelation 1:8)!

 

[Peterlag]

Yes God can make a rock that big even He couldn't lift it but God can make it disappear without touching it lol...

God is not stupid. He would not make a rock bigger than He could lift.

 

[Peterlag]

The Old Testament refers to the Messiah as “one like a son of man” and the phrase “son of man” was a Semitic idiom for a human being and it's used that way throughout the Old Testament. The phrase “son of man” also became a title of the Messiah when Daniel referred to him as “one like a son of man” (Daniel 7:13) and that explains why Jesus called himself “the son of man” many times. The use of the “son of man” in reference to the Messiah is one more piece of evidence that Jesus was fully human and one more reason that people were expecting the Messiah to be human. The New Testament teaches Jesus was a man and Jesus himself said he was “a man who has told you the truth” John 8:40. Jesus was not being disingenuous and hiding his “divine nature” but rather was making a factual statement that reinforced what the Jews were expecting of the Messiah—that he would be a fully human man.

The apostles also taught Jesus was a man and we see this when the Apostle Peter spoke in his sermon to the crowds gathered on the Day of Pentecost making a very clear declaration that Jesus was a man approved of God: “Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you…” (Acts 2:22). Here Peter clearly taught that Jesus was a man and that God did miracles “by him.” Paul also taught Jesus was a man and we can see that when he was in Athens teaching a crowd of unsaved Gentiles about Jesus Christ and said that God would judge the world “by the man whom He has appointed” (Acts 17:31). Paul never said or implied that Jesus was anything but a “man.”

There are a number of other New Testament verses that state Jesus was a man and we can see them in places like Romans that says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” Some theologians teach that only God could pay for the sins of mankind, but the Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).

 

[BeyondET]

God is not stupid. He would not make a rock bigger than He could lift.

Well that's because you think God would have to left it, if it was so.

 

[RLT63]

It’s a miracle! The 9 person Trinity is at least as mighty as the 3 person Trinity.

You can’t argue against a miracle, can you?

P.S.

Evander’s children went to the same Christian School my daughter attended. I’m sure he had no problem signing the school’s required “I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit” application affirmation statement - 9 person Trinity? Close enough.

I like Evander. As far as Hinn I went to the Church of God at one time. They had a revival about every 3 months with an evangelist. I was working over 60 hours a week during the week and was a Security Guard Friday and Saturday night. I went to Church Sunday morning, Sunday night and Wednesday night but didn't come every night for the revival. I was putting an air conditioner in and had to be at work at 6 Saturday. The preacher came over and wanted to know why I hadn't been to Church. He said I should get on my knees and ask God to forgive me. I said forgive me for what?

 

[Matthias]

I like Evander. As far as Hinn I went to the Church of God at one time. They had a revival about every 3 months with an evangelist. I was working over 60 hours a week during the week and was a Security Guard Friday and Saturday night. I went to Church Sunday morning, Sunday night and Wednesday night but didn't come every night for the revival. I was putting an air conditioner in and had to be at work at 6 Saturday. The preacher came over and wanted to know why I hadn't been to Church. He said I should get on my knees and ask God to forgive me. I said forgive me for what?

Pastor Tetzel?

 

[Wrangler]

I like Evander.

Me too! Do you know what he stitched on his robe when he fought Tyson? A quote from Philippians.

As the fight approached, with Tyson converting to Islam, I really felt there was a Spiritual dimension to the fight.

 

[RLT63]

Pastor Tetzel?

Constanza I think. It was 30 years ago. Before that I went to a fundamentalist Church. The Pastor there witnessed like he was selling vacuum cleaners. Used the same approach. He wouldn't take no for an answer.

 

[Wrangler]

Me too! Do you know what he stitched on his robe when he fought Tyson? A quote from Philippians.

As the fight approached, with Tyson converting to Islam, I really felt there was a Spiritual dimension to the fight.

Oh, one other thing. I recall at the end of every training session, he and his sparing partners would sit in a circle and do Bible Study.

Holyfield certainly prepared for that fight on more than one level.

 

[RLT63]

Oh, one other thing. I recall at the end of every training session, he and his sparing partners would sit in a circle and do Bible Study.

Holyfield certainly prepared for that fight on more than one level.

Yeah he was a great fighter and role model. When he fought Riddick Bowe he had hepatitis. That's why his strength would come and go. He would have won otherwise

 

[RLT63]

Pastor Tetzel?

I just got this. Tetzel was selling indulgences. This guy was pushing revivals. Seems like the same people always needed deliverance or healing again when the next evangelist came

 

[Wrangler]

Yeah he was a great fighter and role model. When he fought Riddick Bowe he had hepatitis. That's why his strength would come and go. He would have won otherwise

Sad what happened to Riddick Bowe. Some kind of brain damage made him unable to control rage. He might have got divorced over that.

 

[Webers_Home]

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To Stump The Bible Thumpers


Can God die?

Can God forget?

Can God tell a lie?

Can God sin?

Can God create a rock that He cannot lift?

Can God create a light so bright that He cannot look at it?

Can God create a darkness so inky that He cannot find His way in it?

Is anything too hard for God?

Are all things possible with God?
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