What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

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• Isa 9:6 . . For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and
his name shall be called the everlasting Father

Jesus died young and left behind no posterity.

"Who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the
land of the living"(Isa 53:8)

Spiritual leaders are sometimes called Fathers. For example when the
prophet Elijah was taken up; his protégé Elisha cried out:

"My father, My father; the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof."
(2Kgs 2:12)

Female spiritual leaders were called "mother". For example Deborah:

"The inhabitants of the villages ceased, they ceased in Israel, until that I
Deborah arose, that I arose a mother in Israel." (Jdg 5:7)

The thing is; all spiritual leaders prior to Jesus were hampered by mortality.

"The prophets, do they live forever?" (Zech 1:5)

But Christ, though he were once mortal, is now permanently alive.

"Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no
longer is master over him." (Rom 6:9)

"I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore." (Rev 1:18)
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“Now permanently alive” = “now immortal”.

That doesn’t work with trinitarianism, binitarianism and sometimes unitarianism. Jesus was / is always immortal in those theologies.

It works with Jewish monotheism and sometimes unitarianism.

 

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That doesn’t work with trinitarianism, binitarianism and sometimes unitarianism. Jesus
was / is always immortal in those theologies.

The Word is an eternal species of life (1 John 1:1-2) whereas Jesus is a
temporal species of life (Romans 1:3)

Most Christians will readily attest that Jesus is fully God and fully Man; the
meanwhile reluctant to concur that Jesus can trace his humanity all the way
back to the dust from which Adam himself came into being.

The JWs simplify their cope with Jesus' plurality by flat-out insisting it's
impossible for someone to exist as an eternal being and a temporal being
simultaneously.
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The Word is an eternal species of life (1 John 1:1-2) whereas Jesus is a
temporal species of life (Romans 1:3)

Most Christians will readily attest that Jesus is fully God and fully Man; the
meanwhile reluctant to concur that Jesus can trace his humanity all the way
back to the dust from which Adam himself came into being.

The JWs simplify their cope with Jesus' plurality by flat-out insisting it's
impossible for someone to exist as an eternal being and a temporal being
simultaneously.
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My problem with this is that I know it's impossible to be 100 percent of a creature and 100 percent of another creature at the same time.

 

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The Word is an eternal species of life (1 John 1:1-2) whereas Jesus is a
temporal species of life (Romans 1:3)

Most Christians will readily attest that Jesus is fully God and fully Man; the
meanwhile reluctant to concur that Jesus can trace his humanity all the way
back to the dust from which Adam himself came into being.

The JWs simplify their cope with Jesus' plurality by flat-out insisting it's
impossible for someone to exist as an eternal being and a temporal being
simultaneously.
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I can see where “two species of life” would fit with your belief that Jesus is two persons. It raises the question in my mind of how many beings you believe Jesus is.

 

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I know it's impossible to be 100 percent of a creature and 100 percent of another
creature at the same time.

It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble;
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
Mark Twain
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how many beings you believe Jesus is.

In Jesus' case, we're dealing with two very dissimilar beings: the one a spirit
being and the other a material being. (1Cor 15:45-47)

* Let's say, hypothetically, the Word is really and truly Jehovah God. Well;
Jehovah God is impervious to death; i.e. He cannot die nor can He be
killed. So then, when the Word took on a human form, he didn't cease to
exist as Jehovah God simply because Jehovah God cannot be annihilated.
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In Jesus' case, we're dealing with two very dissimilar beings: the one a spirit
being and the other a material being. (1Cor 15:45-47)

* Let's say, hypothetically, the Word is really and truly Jehovah God. Well;
Jehovah God is impervious to death; i.e. He cannot die nor can He be
killed. So then, when the Word took on a human form, he didn't cease to
exist as Jehovah God simply because Jehovah God cannot be annihilated.
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So then Jesus, as you see him, is two species of life, two persons, two (dissimilar) beings.

Two species of life, two persons, two dissimilar beings -> Jesus

That’s a long way from Jewish monotheism. How near is it, do you think, to trinitarianism?

 

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It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble;
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
Mark Twain
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God did not make anything in the Bible to be difficult to understand. There are no mysteries that He is hiding from us or anything that He writes to us that He has made hard for us to understand. In most cases a child could understand it. We have to be educated into man made religions to be able to come up with statements like God did not mean for us to understand it.

 

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trinitarianism?

The traditional model fails to take into account Jesus' plurality. Adding
together the Father + the Spirit + the Word + the Man; I get a four pieces
instead of three.

Compare Ezek 1:1-28 where a man sits above four beings. The whole of
that scene-- man and all --depicts Jehovah's glory.
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The traditional model fails to take into account Jesus' plurality. Adding
together the Father + the Spirit + the Word + the Man; I get a four pieces
instead of three.

Compare Ezek 1:1-28 where a man sits above four beings. The whole of
that scene-- man and all --depicts Jehovah's glory.
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Many years ago I spoke with someone online who self-identified as a quadritarian. I don’t know if that term sounds attractive to you but it seems, at least on the surface, like it would be a good fit for you.

 

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Many of the Epistles start by saying something like...

Grace be unto you, and peace from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

How come the Holy Spirit person is always getting cheated out of the greeting?

 

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It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble;
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
Mark Twain
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YES.

And these boys are swimmin' in it!

 

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My problem with this is that I know it's impossible to be 100 percent of a creature and 100 percent of another creature at the same time.

The clear fact is that you don't have the Holy Spirit.

No offense, but if you did, you would see right through all this earthly, physical/science limitations nonsense.

You can't put God in a box and/or claim anything is impossible for Him.

Matthew 19:26
Mark 10:27

There are quite a few people out there who know the Bible pretty well and yet cannot see one single word of Truth in it.

 

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The clear fact is that you don't have the Holy Spirit.

No offense, but if you did, you would see right through all this earthly, physical/science limitations nonsense.

You can't put God in a box and/or claim anything is impossible for Him.

Matthew 19:26
Mark 10:27

There are quite a few people out there who know the Bible pretty well and yet cannot see one single word of Truth in it.

God did not make anything in the Bible to be difficult to understand. There are no mysteries that He is hiding from us or anything that He writes to us that He has made hard for us to understand. In most cases a child could understand it. We have to be educated into man made religions to be able to come up with statements like God did not mean for us to understand it.

 

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God did not make anything in the Bible to be difficult to understand. There are no mysteries that He is hiding from us or anything that He writes to us that He has made hard for us to understand. In most cases a child could understand it. We have to be educated into man made religions to be able to come up with statements like God did not mean for us to understand it.

God wrote the Bible to His Children.

He gives the Rosetta Stone (the Holy Spirit) to them to guide them through it.

I agree, He made it plain, but there are certainly Truths within it that some apparently cannot understand.

And I'm not speaking of the trinity. That concept would have to be included somewhere in the Bible before we could discuss how easy it is to understand.

 

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God wrote the Bible to His Children.

He gives the Rosetta Stone (the Holy Spirit) to them to guide them through it.

I agree, He made it plain, but there are certainly Truths within it that some apparently cannot understand.

And I'm not speaking of the trinity. That concept would have to be included somewhere in the Bible before we could discuss how easy it is to understand.

Elbert Einstein once said you do not understand it yourself if you cannot teach it to a 6 year old.

 

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Elbert Einstein once said you do not understand it yourself if you cannot teach it to a 6 year old.

Was that Einstein's cousin, or brother or ... who was that?

 

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Dr. Einsein was once queried by a colleague why he was repeating a test
that he gave his students once already. He replied: The science has changed
since then.

Science, real science, resists chipping itself in stone, but is always prepared
to reconsider and to revise. This speaks of the problem we're all having with
Dr. Anthony Fauci and the CDC. Their opinions about Covid are inflexible;
and they refuse to yield to data proving their vaccines, and their methods,
for dealing with this disease are faulty, ineffective, and even downright
dangerous.
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Was that Einstein's cousin, or brother or ... who was that?

LOL