What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Matthias]

Do you have a verse to go along with that?

Yes. Can you locate a verse to go along with it?

 

[Taken]

The question is why? The question is not is he God or should he be. The question is why should he be God. What benefit is there to have a god-man?

The question indeed was.....WHAT Benefit....not WHY.

I answered the question of WHAT benefit.

WHY is a different question.
The WHY, requires knowledge of Ancient History revealed, that continues to this DAY.

Fact: God IS INVISIBLE.
Fact: Mans Natural IS to “NOT BELIEVE”, what he can NOT SEE.
Fact: Gods Manner Of TEACHING, “was”;
...Revealed to a few men, via VISIONS, of God AND His INTENTIONS...
...Gods “intentions”, were told to men BEFORE it occurred.
...AKA...called prophecy.
...SOME...men Believed what they were Foretold, then DID SEE, it come to pass.
....MANY men...COULD not “wait” for prophecy to come to pass, to THEN believe.
....MANY men...COULD not “believe” things that came to pass, WERE because of Gods POWER.

The SAME continues through TO THIS DAY.
MANY BELIEFS, MANY IMPATIENT, FEW Trusting Prophecy SHALL come to pass, FEWER WILLING TO; Give their OWN CONFESSION of TRUE Heartful TESTIMONY “they” Believe IN the heavenly God and His Prophetic Word.

** THE WHY, is God Revealing HIS GRACE, HIS EXPRESS OFFERING, To ANY (living man) WILLING to heartfully CONFESS His Belief IN God and His Word.
* ACCEPTANCE OF....His OFFERING, IS “assured” (Before Physical Death) Salvation.
* ACCEPTANCE OF....His OFFERING, Requires BELIEF, “WITHOUT” SEEING God.
* ACCEPTANCE OF....His OFFERING, “WILL Result IN the MAJORITY OF People OF the World”....TO HATE YOU...PERSECUTE YOU...OPPRESS YOU.

Effectively, the WHY, IS Because of Gods PLEASURE (WILL), to offer ALL men a WAY, (according to Gods Conditions), to be Assured Salvation.

Gods WAY...WAS to GIVE Human ManKIND, an Example, (IN THE LIKENESS AS A Human ManKIND of Creature...)...an EXAMPLE...
FOR Human men, TO Hear, TO See, TO Mimic, TO Believe, TO Read Testimony OF Him....OF WHAT applied to the EXAMPLE, would BE the SAME, that applies to a Human man, WHO....
Accepts Gods Offering.

THAT EXAMPLE...exclusively was/is Lord JESUS, the CHRIST.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

Scripture repeatedly says Jesus is God.

LOL. If that were true, you would have posted it. Again, to avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

 

[GEN2REV]

LOL. If that were true, you would have posted it. Again, to avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

LOL. That were true and I did post it.

Many times.

The trinity does not make Jesus God.

Jesus is God despite the trinity.

 

[Peterlag]

The question indeed was.....WHAT Benefit....not WHY.

I answered the question of WHAT benefit.

WHY is a different question.
The WHY, requires knowledge of Ancient History revealed, that continues to this DAY.

Fact: God IS INVISIBLE.
Fact: Mans Natural IS to “NOT BELIEVE”, what he can NOT SEE.
Fact: Gods Manner Of TEACHING, “was”;
...Revealed to a few men, via VISIONS, of God AND His INTENTIONS...
...Gods “intentions”, were told to men BEFORE it occurred.
...AKA...called prophecy.
...SOME...men Believed what they were Foretold, then DID SEE, it come to pass.
....MANY men...COULD not “wait” for prophecy to come to pass, to THEN believe.
....MANY men...COULD not “believe” things that came to pass, WERE because of Gods POWER.

The SAME continues through TO THIS DAY.
MANY BELIEFS, MANY IMPATIENT, FEW Trusting Prophecy SHALL come to pass, FEWER WILLING TO; Give their OWN CONFESSION of TRUE Heartful TESTIMONY “they” Believe IN the heavenly God and His Prophetic Word.

** THE WHY, is God Revealing HIS GRACE, HIS EXPRESS OFFERING, To ANY (living man) WILLING to heartfully CONFESS His Belief IN God and His Word.
* ACCEPTANCE OF....His OFFERING, IS “assured” (Before Physical Death) Salvation.
* ACCEPTANCE OF....His OFFERING, Requires BELIEF, “WITHOUT” SEEING God.
* ACCEPTANCE OF....His OFFERING, “WILL Result IN the MAJORITY OF People OF the World”....TO HATE YOU...PERSECUTE YOU...OPPRESS YOU.

Effectively, the WHY, IS Because of Gods PLEASURE (WILL), to offer ALL men a WAY, (according to Gods Conditions), to be Assured Salvation.

Gods WAY...WAS to GIVE Human ManKIND, an Example, (IN THE LIKENESS AS A Human ManKIND of Creature...)...an EXAMPLE...
FOR Human men, TO Hear, TO See, TO Mimic, TO Believe, TO Read Testimony OF Him....OF WHAT applied to the EXAMPLE, would BE the SAME, that applies to a Human man, WHO....
Accepts Gods Offering.

THAT EXAMPLE...exclusively was/is Lord JESUS, the CHRIST.

Glory to God,
Taken

Why is not a different question. It's the same if I ask you what benefit is there for you to drink water or if I ask why do you thing water. I'm looking for what is the result of having Jesus to be God. What does a God in human form produce? Nobody on here can answer the question. What they all say is I answered that already or because the Bible said he's God. But nobody can tell me what Jesus as God achieved from being here.

 

[Peterlag]

The verse in your OP Romans 5:15 even says that it was the grace of that man Jesus Christ.

Grace can come only from God. Grace is not something any human has of their own accord. It must come from God.

Jesus IS God.

Jesus is not any human. He's the son of God who God highly exalted when He rose him out from among the dead and made him to be both Lord and Christ.

 

[Peterlag]

That's exactly right and answers your own question. That is why God did it through a man. He WAS that man - in the flesh.

No mortal man could have accomplished it as we see in 1 John 1:8, no man can be without sin.

God came in the flesh whether it offends your sensibilities or not.

If he was not like a mortal man like Adam was... then he could not have done the job. The Scripture is clear that one guy messed it up and another guy fixed it. A god-man could not have done it.

 

[Peterlag]

I didn't say that. It was a quote from the GotQuestions website. The link is under the quote for those who cared to read the whole brief page on the subject.

YOU asked a question.
That's exactly what I answered with both those posts.

You are showing dead-giveaway signs of those who troll all Christian Forums to push agenda with your arrogant refusal to even consider what others post in answer to your own questions. You want to ask a question and then CONTROL how people answer and what is posted in response. That's just not how it works.

Your question has been answered thoroughly, whether you like it or not; and those reading along will be edified by the information presented without your ability to keep that from happening.

Deal with it.

You have failed in your agenda here.

Many have said they have answered my question and most say it without ever leaving a verse to show they answered the question as you also do here. The verses they do leave when they leave them prove not to answer the question but just continue to say that only a God could redeem us. But the Bible says a man had to do it.

 

[GEN2REV]

Jesus is not any human. He's the son of God who God highly exalted when He rose him out from among the dead and made him to be both Lord and Christ.

Did He highly exalt Him ... ?

Or did He exalt Him, and His Name, above every single other person in existence and give Him ALL power in heaven and earth?

 

[GEN2REV]

The Scripture is clear that one guy messed it up and another guy fixed it. A god-man could not have done it.

Only a God-man could have done it.

Jesus had to meet all the requirements of a holy God before He could be an acceptable sacrifice for our sin (John 8:29; Hebrews 9:14). ...
Because Jesus was God in the flesh, He alone could pay the debt we owed to God. His victory over death and the grave won the victory for everyone who puts their trust in Him (John 1:12; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 17).

Is Jesus God in the flesh? Why is it important that Jesus is God in the flesh? | GotQuestions.org
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[GEN2REV]

Many have said they have answered my question ... The verses they do leave when they leave them prove not to answer the question ...

You can't prove anything to an unbeliever.

The problem is that you're in the wrong Chat Forum.

You're asking for our help here to cram a square peg in a round hole.

It's just never gonna fit.

Nobody here can help you with what you need help with.

Only God can put Faith and belief in your heart. Until/unless that happens, you will never see what you're searching for.

 

[Peterlag]

You can't prove anything to an unbeliever.

The problem is that you're in the wrong Chat Forum.

You're asking for our help here to cram a square peg in a round hole.

It's just never gonna fit.

Nobody here can help you with what you need help with.

Only God can put Faith and belief in your heart. Until/unless that happens, you will never see what you're searching for.

I am an expert in biblical research and don't come here for you to help me. I come here to help those who are here to better understand who Jesus Christ is.

 

[Peterlag]

Only a God-man could have done it.



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See this is what I mean. You give me the verse below that you say means Jesus is God. Or that this verse is the correct one saying why Jesus had to be God. But the verse does not say that Jesus had to be God. It says God sent him, and is with him very much like God is with me. And I'm not God. That the father did not leave him. God does not leave me either and I'm not God. And that he does always the things that please God.

29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

 

[Peterlag]

Did He highly exalt Him ... ?

Or did He exalt Him, and His Name, above every single other person in existence and give Him ALL power in heaven and earth?

Are you asking me for the verse concerning highly exalted him? See below...

Philippians 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

 

[GEN2REV]

I am an expert in biblical research and don't come here for you to help me. I come here to help those who are here to better understand who Jesus Christ is.

And that is the problem with modern churchianity.

All the experts are teaching young Christians about the Bible.

Nobody studies the Bible on their own and comes away with the belief that Jesus is not God.

One way or another, you were taught that perspective by man.

God's Holy Word in NO WAY teaches that Jesus is not God.

It is a foundational doctrine of the entire Bible.

And THAT is why it is being attacked so tenaciously at this time in history.

 

[GEN2REV]

It says God sent him, and is with him very much like God is with me. And I'm not God. That the father did not leave him. God does not leave me either and I'm not God. And that he does always the things that please God.

Well, maybe I am mistaken.

Do you have NO human father?

Were you Divinely conceived with only a human mother alone?

Did pure Spirit inseminate your mother's egg with its life force?

If you answered yes to any of those questions, I stand corrected and submit my full apology for assuming otherwise.

 

[Peterlag]

Well, maybe I am mistaken.

Do you have NO human father?

Were you Divinely conceived with only a human mother alone?

Did pure Spirit inseminate your mother's egg with its life force?

If you answered yes to any of those questions, I stand corrected and submit my full apology for assuming otherwise.

If God put something like sperm in my mothers body and I was born as a result of that. Then that would not make me God. But many could say that made me the son of God.

 

[Peterlag]

And that is the problem with modern churchianity.

All the experts are teaching young Christians about the Bible.

Nobody studies the Bible on their own and comes away with the belief that Jesus is not God.

One way or another, you were taught that perspective by man.

God's Holy Word in NO WAY teaches that Jesus is not God.

It is a foundational doctrine of the entire Bible.

And THAT is why it is being attacked so tenaciously at this time in history.

Something that is openly admitted by theologians that is not known by many Christians is that the doctrine of the Trinity is not stated in the Bible, but is actually “built” by piecing together statements that are said to support it. It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

[GEN2REV]

Are you asking me for the verse concerning highly exalted him? See below...

Philippians 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

No, I was pointing out ALL the verses that made up that sentiment that I presented.

Psalm 57:11
Psalm 97:9
Psalm 113:4-6
Philippians 2:8-9
Matthew 28:18

How can God AND Jesus be higher than anyone/anything else?

WHO humbled Himself? Philippians 2:8/Psalm 113:6

See? And you truly believe that you're a Bible expert.

You want to teach people about the Bible right now and you're still just a tender shoot in your learning.

 

[GEN2REV]

If God put something like sperm in my mothers body and I was born as a result of that. Then that would not make me God. But many could say that made me the son of God.

Sperm is physical, material, earthly, flesh, human.

Are you really not getting this?