What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Matthias]

I agree with him that God did not die

Who died? Jesus died.

Jesus is God; God was crucified - but God didn’t die.
Jesus is the second person of the Trinity; the second person of the Trinity was crucified - but the second person of the Trinity didn’t die.
Jesus is the Godman; the Godman died (Sproul)
Jesus is not a human person; a human person didn’t die (trinitarianism).

“Jesus is alive!” - after he was resurrected from the dead and/or the whole time he was dead.

Jesus was not alive and/or was alive while he was dead. God was alive while Jesus was dead. The second person of the Trinity was alive while Jesus was dead.

Jesus died just like we will die.

 

[Matthias]

In the Bible he is.

In the Bible Jesus is a human person.

In trinitarian theology, Jesus is not a human person. He cannot be a human person in trinitarian theology. (See post #2732.)

There’s the disconnect.

He is man and deity. What does it mean that Jesus is the Son of Man? | GotQuestions.org

Trinitarian theology.

 

[Peterlag]

“Jesus is God.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.

“Jesus died on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.

“God died on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.

“The second person of the Trinity died on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.

“God did not die on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.

“The second person of the Trinity did not die on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.”

Nobody ever answered my question either. There must be some reason to have Jesus be God. The best answer I ever got was because the Bible says he is. But nobody can tell me why he came. Many tried by saying to redeem us but the Bible said a man had to do that. And not a god-man.

 

[Matthias]

Nobody ever answered my question either. There must be some reason to have Jesus be God. The best answer I ever got was because the Bible says he is. But nobody can tell me why he came. Many tried by saying to redeem us but the Bible said a man had to do that. And not a god-man.

I’ve heard them say that Jesus had to be God because a man couldn’t do what scripture says Jesus did.

I’m not trying to win an argument - have a debate - with them. I want my theology / position to be seen side by side with theirs.

Their theology / their position is complex. I want readers to see the simplicity that is in the Messiah.

P.S.

The mediator between the one God and man, the man Messiah Jesus, is far
more incredible than a Godman.

 

[RLT63]

Nobody ever answered my question either. There must be some reason to have Jesus be God. The best answer I ever got was because the Bible says he is. But nobody can tell me why he came. Many tried by saying to redeem us but the Bible said a man had to do that. And not a god-man.

Why does God want to be worshipped? We know to worship him but where in the Bible does it say why?

 

[Peterlag]

Why does God want to be worshipped? We know to worship him but where in the Bible does it say why?

Are my lungs filled with air? Where in the Bible does it say there is air? There must be a reason why God had to come and be a man.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

which is more powerful to all of creation.

1. God had a man, suffer death for all mankind?

2. God becomes man, and suffers death for all mankind?

it is much more powerful that God himself who being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross

All creation marveled at this fact.. It was not just for man that God did this, it was for all creation. Who can hold a thing against God ever again?

 

[RLT63]

Are my lungs filled with air? Where in the Bible does it say there is air? There must be a reason why God had to come and be a man.

Gen 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Jos 10:40

So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.
1Ki 15:29

And it came to pass, when he reigned, that he smote all the house of Jeroboam; he left not to Jeroboam any that breathed, until he had destroyed him, according unto the saying of the LORD, which he spake by his servant Ahijah the Shilonite:
Jhn 20:22

And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

 

[GEN2REV]

LOL Jesus said he has a God who is the only true God

And when Jesus said that, He wasn't saying "I am not God." He was saying that God (big G) is the only True God among all of the other gods (little g). Everybody had a god back then. (Truth be told, everybody has a god today, but most don't know it.)

That's why it's so important to have a good grasp of the Old Testament. Without the context of the OT, and its countless references to all the other gods (little g - idols of many various kinds, etc.), one is liable to take things written in the New Testament the wrong way. Isn't it funny how 99% of churches teach only the NT - and only a fraction of that as well. Yeah, they might read a Psalm here or there, but they focus almost 100% on the NT and that God is all loving and all forgiving - leaving out massive amounts of Scripture with which to better understand everything there is to know and understand about God and who exactly Jesus is.

Here's some more for ya from the NT since that seems to be your angle of proving what's True about Jesus or not.

Jesus IS eternal life. John 14:6 "I am ... the life ..."
His very words ARE eternal life. John 6:63; John 6:68
Jesus was BORN WITH ETERNAL LIFE ALREADY IN HIM (in His Spirit which was God's Spirit - which WAS God)
"That which was from the beginning (pre-existence), which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of Life; (For the Life [Jesus] was manifested, and we have seen and bear witness, and shew unto you that Eternal Life, which was with (within) the Father, and was manifested unto us;..." 1 John 1:1-2

In no way does any of that allow for a human man to align with that passage.

 

[GEN2REV]

I wondered why those verses didn't have that feature. You are right it's verses from Acts. That's why they call some Churches "Full Gospel " Churches. They include Acts in the gospels.

I did not know that. Interesting.

Churches should all be Full Bible churches, but we know that most are not.

Shame.

 

[Wrangler]

And when Jesus said that, He wasn't saying "I am not God."

Not familiar with mutual exclusivity in logic, huh?

 

[GEN2REV]

Not familiar with mutual exclusivity in logic, huh?

Yeah. I'm familiar.

 

[Wrangler]

And when Jesus said that, He wasn't saying "I am not God."

Not familiar with mutual exclusivity in logic, huh?

Yeah. I'm familiar.

Evidently not. Being A is THE guy is mutally exclusive, meaning Jesus was saying he is not the guy (God) because someone else IS.

 

[Matthias]

It's pretty confusing when put like that. That's why when you remove all the references to the trinity, it makes so much more sense.

God the Father ... took on human flesh.

The man He became in the Flesh ... was named Jesus.

When Jesus' body died on the Cross, Jesus (the Spirit, so ... God Almighty) did not die, but His flesh body DID and that was sufficient to break the curse that required a man to obey all the 10 Commandments (to NOT sin - 1 John 3:4) perfectly until death.

That created a path in the spirit realm for all who would follow that path by way of Christ's Spirit enabling, and empowering, them to live sinless lives (with the occasional stumble - as James 3:2 says).

Isn't that so much easier to comprehend?

I think so.

“The more complex, the higher the probability it is God.” - an echo from a long ago conversation with a trinitarian (whose name I don’t recall) who argued that God cannot be comprehended.

 

[Matthias]

In the Bible he is.

You know the Bible presents Jesus as a human person.

We should know that trinitarian theology presents Jesus as a divine person who cannot be a human person.

I’ve been doing this for a long time. In my personal experience - in other words, anecdotally speaking - I’ve been hard pressed to find 2 in 10 trinitarians who know this.

 

[GEN2REV]

Evidently not. Being A is THE guy is mutally exclusive, meaning Jesus was saying he is not the guy (God) because someone else IS.

Jesus never says He is not God.

On the contrary, He says He IS God many times, many ways.

 

[GEN2REV]

“The more complex, the higher the probability it is God.” - an echo from a long ago conversation with a trinitarian (whose name I don’t recall) who argued that God cannot be comprehended.

No matter, most of them say that.

"Embrace the Mystery!" is their New Age position on it.

Why study Scripture at all if God doesn't want us to know and understand Him?

Why even write the Bible?

He could have just wrote a page or two saying "Trust me, I'm God. Believe in Me and be saved."

The Bible is designed to prove false all the lies that the devil would come with over the millennia. And it does a very good job of just that for those who seek diligently.

Praise the LORD!

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus never says He is not God.

On the contrary, He says He IS God many times, many ways.

Prove it.

 

[marks]

You know the Bible presents Jesus as a human person.

We should know that trinitarian theology presents Jesus as a divine person who cannot be a human person.

I’ve been doing this for a long time. In my personal experience - in other words, anecdotally speaking - I’ve been hard pressed to find 2 in 10 trinitarians who know this.

I don't think that we share your same concern here.

We say Jesus is God, Who incarnated, that is, came to live in human flesh. That He is both God and Man doesn't cause me the same difficulty that it seems to cause you.

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

I don't think that we share your same concern here.

Of course you don’t. I’ve been writing about trinitarians who do share my concern about it.

We say Jesus is God, Who incarnated, that is, came to live in human flesh. That He is both God and Man doesn't cause me the same difficulty that it seems to cause you.

Much love!

It doesn’t cause me any difficulty at all because I’ve been formally educated in regard to the doctrine of the Trinity. You’re playing at it.