What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Matthias]

Acts 16:30-31 More important than all the theological questions and knowledge you can acquire. This answers the most important question that can be asked.

That’s excellent, but it doesn’t answer the question: Did God die?

Have you ever heard anyone say, “God died for your sins”?

In Jewish monotheism, that’s blasphemous.

 

[RLT63]

That’s excellent, but it doesn’t answer the question: Did God die?

Have you ever heard anyone say, “God died for your sins”?

In Jewish monotheism, that’s blasphemous.

I have never heard that God died. I agree with RC Sproul on this, though I believe he was a Calvinist

 

[GEN2REV]

You still got his theology all wrong. He believes there is one God. Jesus is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Correct me if I'm wrong Gen2Rev

That's correct.

Wrangler is well aware of what I believe. He's just using a tactic. It can be very aggravating, and even get a rise out of a lesser experienced poster.

This ain't my first rodeo and I specialize in spotting those who are manipulative and pushing agenda.

Wrangler's a regular here. He's in with the "IN" crowd if you catch my drift.

 

[Matthias]

I have never heard that God died.

Then we are in agreement after all: God did not die.

I agree with RC Sproul on this, though I believe he was a Calvinist

Sproul said that it was the Godman who died. He held to the trinitarian belief / teaching that Jesus was not a human person.

God did not die. The second person of the Trinity did not die. A human person did not die. The Godman died.

 

[GEN2REV]

“Jesus is God.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.

“Jesus died on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.

“God died on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.

“The second person of the Trinity died on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.

“God did not die on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.

“The second person of the Trinity did not die on the cross.” I’ve heard that from trinitarians my entire life.”

So you're not trinity, but you don't believe Jesus is God?

 

[Matthias]

So you're not trinity, but you don't believe Jesus is God?

Have you forgotten that you converted me to your belief several months ago?

 

[GEN2REV]

Acts 16:30-31 More important than all the theological questions and knowledge you can acquire. This answers the most important question that can be asked.

Isn't that frustrating that this site doesn't support any verses from Acts with their 'hover-over' the verse feature?

I don't know why that is.

 

[GEN2REV]

Have you forgotten that you converted me to your belief several months ago?

Did I?

It must've been several months because I just returned.

Which part of my belief, exactly?

 

[Matthias]

Did I?

You said that you did.

It must've been several months because I just returned.

Welcome back. I knew I hadn’t seen you around for a while.

Which part of my belief, exactly?

Your belief about God.

 

[GEN2REV]

You said that you did.

Your belief about God.

Well that clears it up.

 

[GEN2REV]

Then we are in agreement after all: God did not die.



Sproul said that it was the Godman who died. He held to the trinitarian belief / teaching that Jesus was not a human person.

God did not die. The second person of the Trinity did not die. A human person did not die. The Godman died.

If we have a human/flesh body that is filled with the Spirit of God (God), and that flesh body dies, that would be the Godman. But that doesn't in any way support any dynamic of the trinity.

Jesus is God, His soul (spirit) within Him was God. When His flesh died, the Godman died. Same event, same death of the flesh, ... no trinity.

 

[GEN2REV]

Welcome back. I knew I hadn’t seen you around for a while.

Thanks.

Yeah, they spanked me and locked me away for awhile.

I didn't return immediately.

 

[Matthias]

If we have a human/flesh body that is filled with the Spirit of God (God), and that flesh body dies, that would be the Godman. But that doesn't in any way support any dynamic of the trinity.

Jesus is God, His soul (spirit) within Him was God. When His flesh died, the Godman died. Same event, same death of the flesh, ... no trinity.

Trinitarianism:

Jesus is God; but God didn’t die.

Jesus is the second person of the Trinity; but the second person of the Trinity didn’t die.

Jesus is not a human person; Jesus is a divine person who took upon himself impersonal human nature.

Jesus is the Godman; the Godman died.

P.S.

This is what I’m trying to work through with @RLT63.

 

[GEN2REV]

Trinitarianism:

Jesus is God; but God didn’t die.

Jesus is the second person of the Trinity; but the second person of the Trinity didn’t die.

Jesus is not a human person; Jesus is a divine person who took upon himself impersonal human nature.

Jesus is the Godman; the Godman died.

P.S.

This is what I’m trying to work through with @RLT63.

It's pretty confusing when put like that. That's why when you remove all the references to the trinity, it makes so much more sense.

God the Father ... took on human flesh.

The man He became in the Flesh ... was named Jesus.

When Jesus' body died on the Cross, Jesus (the Spirit, so ... God Almighty) did not die, but His flesh body DID and that was sufficient to break the curse that required a man to obey all the 10 Commandments (to NOT sin - 1 John 3:4) perfectly until death.

That created a path in the spirit realm for all who would follow that path by way of Christ's Spirit enabling, and empowering, them to live sinless lives (with the occasional stumble - as James 3:2 says).

Isn't that so much easier to comprehend?

I think so.

 

[Wrangler]

If you believe that God Almighty never came in the flesh, you are believing exactly what offends Him the most; you are believing and teaching that none of His selfless sacrifice ever took place - that Jesus the Christ, God in the flesh, never came to be.

ME: What verse says this?

Mystical Dualists:

I love this meme. LOL Jesus said he has a God who is the only true God. Jesus was killed for admitting that he was the Messiah (not even charged with claiming to be God incarnate), the son of God. Jesus said God was greater than him, that God sent him, God told him what to say and how to say it, submitted to his will was was resurrected by God - in his unitarian nature. Scripture says over and over again that only the Father is God. There is no God the Son (nor God the HS).

For some reason, you know better than Jesus regarding who Jesus is AND think your mystical dualism does not offend God in the slightest, not the 1C, the Shema or the 1,000's of times he is identified using singular pronouns. It is irrelevant to you that a condition of salvation is believing - not that Jesus is God but - that God in his unitarian nature raised Jesus from the dead.

In the end, all you got is this pathetic psychological attack on me offending Jesus - for agreeing and believing everything he said.

if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9

No one can defeat the world without having faith in Jesus as the Son of God (not believing he is God incarnate).
1 John 5:5 (emphasis added)

 

[RLT63]

Isn't that frustrating that this site doesn't support any verses from Acts with their 'hover-over' the verse feature?

I don't know why that is.

I wondered why those verses didn't have that feature. You are right it's verses from Acts. That's why they call some Churches "Full Gospel " Churches. They include Acts in the gospels.

 

[RLT63]

Have you forgotten that you converted me to your belief several months ago?

I think I may have more in common with GEN2REV than you

 

[RLT63]

Then we are in agreement after all: God did not die.



Sproul said that it was the Godman who died. He held to the trinitarian belief / teaching that Jesus was not a human person.

God did not die. The second person of the Trinity did not die. A human person did not die. The Godman died.

I agree with him that God did not die

 

[Matthias]

I think I may have more in common with GEN2REV than you

You may.

He said he converted me a couple of months ago. I told him I didn’t think so. He insisted that he did and we left it at that.

 

[RLT63]

In trinitarianism, Jesus isn’t a human person.

In the Bible he is. He is man and deity. What does it mean that Jesus is the Son of Man? | GotQuestions.org