What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Peterlag]

There are many. That you won't accept.

John 17:17
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
14. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Matthew 4:
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

I'm not sure if you understand the question. I'm asking what's the benefit of Jesus being God? Why have a god-man? You seem to be responding with the Bible says he is.

 

[Peterlag]

You forgot to say "God as Man". BIG DIFFERENCE.

No I did not forget. The 2 verses I provided said a man. They did not say a god-man or God as a man.

 

[Peterlag]

God demands the blood of man for his sins.

The blood of a perfect sacrifice is the atonement for sin.

That is why Christ had to become man!

Lev. 17:11

“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”

I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. Are you saying God became a man to die? Then raised himself while he was dead and then went back to being God?

 

[Peterlag]

You read the OT don't you. You don't have to be Jewish to read the old testament.
Do you not believe God that there is no other Savior but God.

I don't read the Jewish Bible. Just the New Testament. Yes there are 2 in the Bible referring to a savior. God and Jesus. Jesus because he was our savior and God who provided him.

 

[Peterlag]

All I know is that Jesus was learning to be God - in which when everything had been placed underneath the feet of Jesus, and Jesus handed everything back to God, that God would be all in all, and thus Jesus - the Word of God - the only begotten Son - became the Lord God Almighty.

He was a man, and the very Word of God - was with-in the man named Jesus...

I think you should read my book. Bless,

 

[Mr E]

I can assure you that the Christ is no mere man. He's the son of God who was made both Lord and Christ.

The Christ is the wine inside.

 

[Peterlag]

Is there no benefit in?
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Colossians 2:9: For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Again, that's not telling why. It's only stating a fact. Here's an example: Why do I have a car? For what benefit? The answer is not that it's really a car or it does show that it has tires or it can move or it really is real.

 

[Peterlag]

Thinking more on this topic of what benefit does it produce in making Jesus God?

do you say Man was created in God’s image? Is that something you have repeated because if so…how is Man in God’s image? What benefit does it produce in Man was created in God’s image?

You asked for honestly: why do you think there was any benefit produced in making Jesus Christ God? (To teach us it is better to be of an humble spirit, than to divide the spoil with the proud Proverbs 16:19, and that it isn’t robbery to be of an humble spirit?)
I don’t get how we squabble over if he was God …to me it is because maybe the “equal to God” is envious in saying it means what it might not mean? When I think of “Christ Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God” I think of how the Son fulfilled the Fathers Joy, like-minded, having the same Love as the Father—being of one accord—of One mind—the Son doing nothing through strife or vain glory (you asked what benefit? Doing nothing in vain (not through emptiness, or with nonprofit), but as the Father the Son did not consider it robbery or thievery but in lowliness of mind —of One mind with the Father—esteemed others better than himself, looking not on his own things(though he was rich he became poor, that others may become rich through him), Being in the form of God thought it not robbery —not above or better than His Master but equal to in patience, Joy, long-suffering and endurance —He took on the form of a servant …being in the likeness of man—man was created in God’s image—being found in this fashion of a man He humbled himself and became obedient unto death, obedience to the Name by which He was called… “The Son of God”

Philippians 2:2-10

Point is “He thought it not robbery”
Paul mentions the same things “what was gain I counted as loss” to be found in Him not having my own righteousness but the righteousness which is of God in Christ.

but we argue that “equal to”
because our mind envies “equal to”
As a dirty, high-minded lifted up thing to do, self -seeking an image of your own above God. But no where do I read that is who Christ Jesus was…but instead One with the Father, made humble and obedient becoming a servant to be found in God’s Likeness (He thought it not to be robbery: but for the Joy set before Him—to be not above but equal to His the Master—despising the shame He endured for that Joy…which we huff at. Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down (next to) on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

There's nothing in the New Testament that even hints that Christ came to show us how to live better. Nothing. The flesh profited nothing as Romans so nicely states.

 

[RLT63]

The Scripture doesn't have to tell you, it's common sense!

The only way possible was for God Himself to be that perfect sacrifice for man's sin.

There was no other man who was sinless that could meet that requirement!

Did Jesus say He is God? | GotQuestions.org

 

[Charlie24]

I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. Are you saying God became a man to die? Then raised himself while he was dead and then went back to being God?

Christ became man for the express purpose of shedding His Blood for the sins of man.

He was and is God, He set aside His expression of deity and humbled Himself in humanity, while the entire time being God in the flesh.

 

[Peterlag]

Christ became man for the express purpose of shedding His Blood for the sins of man.

He was and is God, He set aside His expression of deity and humbled Himself in humanity, while the entire time being God in the flesh.

That kind of logic can get me anything if I can use it. I can tell the judge it was not me who robbed that bank because it was my other self and then when I came out of the bank I was another person.

 

[Charlie24]

That kind of logic can get me anything if I can use it. I can tell the judge it was not me who robbed that bank because it was my other self and then when I came out of the bank I was another person.

Col. 1:19-22
"For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:"

 

[VictoryinJesus]

There's nothing in the New Testament that even hints that Christ came to show us how to live better. Nothing. The flesh profited nothing as Romans so nicely states.

I came that they might have life and have it more abundantly?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

There's nothing in the New Testament that even hints that Christ came to show us how to live better. Nothing. The flesh profited nothing as Romans so nicely states.

another
Come to Me all you heavy laden with burdens
Take My yoke upon you, Learn of Me and I will give you rest?

or how about all things are there for our example …all the word profitable for instruction in righteousness…?

 

[Mr E]

That kind of logic can get me anything if I can use it. I can tell the judge it was not me who robbed that bank because it was my other self and then when I came out of the bank I was another person.

What’s fascinating is the volume of Christians who can’t get their heads around the idea that there are other Christians with different ideas about the nature of God and man.

God is not a man. God is spirit. These points are stipulated in scripture. But to disagree with them on the nature of Jesus— who most certainly was a man, you become ‘a deplorable’ and a heretic. It’s a little silly.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

There's nothing in the New Testament that even hints that Christ came to show us how to live better. Nothing. The flesh profited nothing as Romans so nicely states.

“to live better” how about when Paul spoke on : we have all had our conversation in the world, in the pride and lust of the flesh…but to have a better conversation in Christ? I don’t get what you are saying? Saul may not have benefited anything persecuting Jesus Christ? But does Grace benefit nothing in The latter end of Paul who had a better conversation in the Faith he once persecuted, he preached?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

There's nothing in the New Testament that even hints that Christ came to show us how to live better.

Nothing hints that Christ came to show us how to live better… “being given a better hope, better promises”??
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
^ that doesn’t hint at Christ showing us a better way to live? Paul also spoke on hope of “not in vain” vain is nonprofitable, useless, empty, void..as void as the darkness in the beginning of Genesis before the Spirit moved and said “let there be light”. A void —wide expanse—emptiness. If the Light of Christ has not risen …then your faith is dead and in vain, being still in the grave. How about as poor, yet making many rich. As dead, yet we live?

 

[RLT63]

What’s fascinating is the volume of Christians who can’t get their heads around the idea that there are other Christians with different ideas about the nature of God and man.

God is not a man. God is spirit. These points are stipulated in scripture. But to disagree with them on the nature of Jesus— who most certainly was a man, you become ‘a deplorable’ and a heretic. It’s a little silly.

Is Jesus God in the flesh? Why is it important that Jesus is God in the flesh? | GotQuestions.org

 

[marks]

I can't get anyone to answer this honest question. All I get back is because the Bible says so. But there must be a reason for it. What is it? Here I will give you a reason why he had to be a man.

Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” The Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).

Now it's your turn. Anyone?

You question is odd to me, "what benefit does it produce to make Jesus God?" Actually it's a complex question, a logical fallacy. We don't "make Jesus God". No one "makes Him" God, or "makes Him" not God. Either He is or He isn't, and it's just that way.

But you are looking for an human understanding of why this is somehow the right way? You complain when others say, "the Bible says He is God", but in truth, that's what matters, whether the Bible says He is God or not, and only then would we be able to go on to a spiritual understanding of how this works together with all the rest of what God is and has been doing.

Let's go to the two passages you've pointed to.

Romans 5:11-14 YLT
11) And not only so , but we are also boasting in God, through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom now we did receive the reconciliation;
12) because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;
13) for till law sin was in the world: and sin is not reckoned when there is not law;
14) but the death did reign from Adam till Moses, even upon those not having sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of him who is coming.

All men died because all men sinned. How is it that Jesus did not sin? How is it that death did not pass to Jesus as it did to all others? If He was a man from the ancestry of Adam, how is it that He did not inherit the curse of sin and death as did all others? But if Jesus came "in the likeness of sinful flesh", yet a new Man, He is apart from that. But even so, why God?

1 Corinthians 15:45-49 KJV
45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

The two Men are different. One is of the earth, earthy. One is the Lord from Heaven. As we've born the image of the earthy man, we will also bear the image of the Lord from heaven.

A very significant point to make is that while the first Adam was made "a living soul", the Last Adam was made "a quickening Spirit", that is, "a Spirit that makes alive". Jesus, our Creator God, has the power to make us alive. Adam made us dead, but Jesus makes us alive, because He is the Lord from heaven, Who gave us life in the first place.

Much love!

 

[Charlie24]

What’s fascinating is the volume of Christians who can’t get their heads around the idea that there are other Christians with different ideas about the nature of God and man.

God is not a man. God is spirit. These points are stipulated in scripture. But to disagree with them on the nature of Jesus— who most certainly was a man, you become ‘a deplorable’ and a heretic. It’s a little silly.

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

If you can't see that Jesus Christ is God from these 2 verses, then you can explain that to God when you meet Him.

Good Luck!