What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Wrangler]

Indeed. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't understand who Jesus is.

Exactly! Not God. Scripture says over and over again that he is the Son of God.

In fact, that Jesus was the Son of God was the Big Reveal of his ministry. He let it be a mystery for a while but ultimately revealed himself to the women at the well, to Peter (rock) and to Caiphas, which got him killed.

High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?
Jesus: 62 I am.
Mark 14:61-62 (VOICE)

 

[RLT63]

Exactly! Not God. Scripture says over and over again that he is the Son of God.

In fact, that Jesus was the Son of God was the Big Reveal of his ministry. He let it be a mystery for a while but ultimately revealed himself to the women at the well, to Peter (rock) and to Caiphas, which got him killed.

High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?
Jesus: 62 I am.
Mark 14:61-62 (VOICE)

Yes he could only reveal what they could understand.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Yes he could only reveal what they could understand.

Exactly. Still today man wrestles with this concept, for it is hard to grasp.

"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped." Phil. 2:6

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It's an honest question. I really want to know what the benefit is to have Jesus be God. So far nobody can answer the question.

see I’m not convince anymore it is an honest question. Not because I’m assuming but the action has been a disregard for every verse anyone has given…not even a slight pause to consider it. Instead an immediate shooting down what you claim to honestly be interested in at least getting feedback from others on. At this point I think I could throw the entire bible at you …and there wouldn’t be anything in it of interest toward the question you genuinely say “I want verses”! “Come on guys…give me verses!”

how about: Revelation 1:8 maybe someone has already posted it, a ton of verses have been posted on this thread.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


Revelation 1:8 Lexicon: "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Who do you say is the First and the Last? The Alpha and the Omega? Who do you say is the Almighty? Is the Almighty the first and the Last?


Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

^if Christ Jesus “Alpha” …then when was Christ “Omega”?
if God, the Almighty …then when was God, the Almighty “Alpha”?

See pointless yea? Like I said I’m skeptical of your wanting any answer, but instead wanting an opportunity to say “y’all have no answer.” According to you, that is right. “Y’all have no answer.” Because you go “ignore…no answer…ignore…no an answer…ignore…no answer….you should title the thread instead (16 pages in) “no answer” it is pretty obvious …

Again, can you give me 2 verses that give a reason why Jesus should be God? To what profit is there for that?

no answer…ignore yet “I honestly want an answer” ….wrong or right, regardless of where they are at by your estimate in agreeing with you or disagreeing with you…many of answered yet then you blame them for mocking you…like you are not mocking in trying to sell “I honestly want an answer” which isn’t really being truthful or open.

 

[Johann]

I, yes I, am the LORD, and there is no Savior but Me.

The Jewish authorities were questioning Jesus about God the Father and he replied (John 8:19)
He had already told them about his divine origin (John 8:23, 38)
Jesus took their statement to another level (John 8:57, 58). Not only had he seen Abraham but he was in existence not just before Abraham (which would read ἤμην - ‘I was’) but eternally ‘ἐγὼ εἰμί’. Note that their response was to pick up stones to throw at him just as in John 10:31 where we are explicitly told their response was to his perceived blasphemy.
What does Torah say about blasphemy? “‘Moreover, the one who blasphemes the name of YHWH shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him...” (Leviticus 24:16).
So in John 8:59 their response to his claim was to try and stone him.
John 8:58 reads '...πρὶν (before) Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι (was/existed) ἐγὼ εἰμί (I myself am/exist).'
The Greek version (LXX) of the Torah (circa 250 BC) translates "אני הוא" in Deuteronomy 32:39 as "‘See now that I am (ἐγώ εἰμι), And there is no god besides Me..."
Isaiah 41:4 "‘I, YHWH , am the first, and with the last. I am he (ἐγώ εἰμι)’ "
And Isaiah 43:10 reads ““You are My witnesses,” declares YHWH (יהוה) , “And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He (ἐγώ εἰμι)...”
Compare this with the words of Jesus to John in Revelation 1:7 “Do not be afraid; I AM (ἐγώ εἰμι) the first and the last..."
Revelation 22:13, 16 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end... I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
Also Isaiah 43:13; 46:4; 48:12 and... 52:6 is interesting because there YHWH says: "Therefore my people will know my name in that day. For I am (ἐγώ εἰμι/אני הוא), behold I, the one speaking."
There appears to be a subtle pointer here to Exodus 3:14.
In John 10:28-30 we read:
“...I give eternal life to them... and no one will snatch them out of My hand... and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. “I and the Father are one.”
Jesus claims to give eternal life and then puts himself on a par with the Father.
“The Jewish authorities picked up stones again to stone Him... “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
Notice it says they picked up stones again. John is referring back to 8:59 and so tying the charge for both occasions. What did they see as the blasphemy then as well as on this occasion? Claiming to be divine.
"Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? “If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?" (John 10:34)
Many interpret Jesus’ words as directed towards human rulers but a reading of the source, Psalm 82 shows that he is referring to the divine council in heaven who were judged for injustice (to whom the word of God came). If that is the case then what Jesus is asserting is that Tanakh describes the divine council as ‘gods’ and so he too is God but not merely of the created heavenly class but as ontologically one with the uncreated, all powerful Most High Father.
“If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”
He is not just God but, as stated in John 5, the unique Son of God.
“Therefore they were seeking again to seize Him, and He eluded their grasp.” (John 10:28–39)
They knew what he was claiming and that’s why they continued to try and take him.
God is One

 

[farouk]

does God actually *say* anywhere in the Bible "Till death do us part?" I do not recall that

Hi @dhh712 "So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress" (Romans 7.3).

 

[farouk]

I do find the title of this thread bizarre since Scripture is full of the Deity of Christ.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Hi @dhh712 "So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress" (Romans 7.3).

@farouk. Look at you! Always so quiet but having much to contribute!! Would “like” your post again and again if I could.

 

[farouk]

@farouk. Look at you! Always so quiet but having much to contribute!! Would “like” your post again and again if I could.

@VictoryinJesus The verse quoted is not quoted much by religious leaders wishing to be popular. But it seemed to fit the implied question in @dhh712 's post.

 

[Wrangler]

Exactly. Still today man wrestles with this concept, for it is hard to grasp.

"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped." Phil. 2:6

Do you see the NOT in the sentence? You are taking did not as did.

And we are all made in the image of God. It doesn't make us God.

Finally, inherently contradictory ideas are not hard to understand; they are nonsense, e.g. square circles.

 

[RLT63]

Do you see the NOT in the sentence? You are taking did not as did.

And we are all made in the image of God. It doesn't make us God.

Finally, inherently contradictory ideas are not hard to understand; they are nonsense, e.g. square circles.

Form and image mean the same thing?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus The verse quoted is not quoted much by religious leaders wishing to be popular. But it seemed to fit the implied question in @dhh712 's post.

Where does it say anything about
Until death…

The verse you quoted fits well (Imo).

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus The verse quoted is not quoted much by religious leaders wishing to be popular. But it seemed to fit the implied question in @dhh712 's post.

If you haven’t already considered it, consider the verse you quoted in reference to “until death”
also fits well with the topic of the thread…maybe seeming off topic but on topic (again an opinion). 1 Corinthians 6:16-17 What? know you not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. [17] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

 

[Wrangler]

Yes he could only reveal what they could understand.

At least you accept that your doctrine contradicts what the the Bible actually says.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus was born a baby.
Jesus lived as a man.
The word of God came to him.
Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit and anointed (made Christ/Messiah)
Jesus was crucified and Jesus died.
His spirit returned to God.
His body was dead and buried.
On the third day he returned in spirit and that body was raised from the tomb no longer bound by physical (human) constraints and he (the Christ) was seen among men.
He was exalted- glorified and worshipped in spirit and truth.

Who FATHERED JESUS . Joseph didnt . can any other prophet in any age claim such a thing .
Exactly . THE WORD oF GOD and GOD IS HIS WORD truly did become flesh for our sake .
I challenge any and all to review the pages of the bible and WHO has heard of such a thing
Not moses nor any other prophet can make such a claim as though they had no earthly father .
The first adam was created by GOD and was formed of the dirt
but the second adam was neither fathered by man nor formed of dirt , HE WAS since the beginning .
GLORY HALLELUJAH to the LORD OUR GOD . What other prophet , INCLUDING JOHN the baptist his very self
can make such a claim as though they had no earthly father in the act of procreation . LOOK HARD AND LOOK LONG .
But then this is why JOHN himself , WHO JESUS had said was the greatest of all prophets , Said I CANNOT EVEN BEGIN ]
to try and TAKE THE SHOE OF HIM . Too many folks are falling for a ruse . YOU DO REALIZE
that in order to get the religions to join as one they have to break down and eradicate the diety of Christ .
I MEAN IF JESUS TRULY IS THE WORD OF GOD AND GOD HIS WORD . THEN how can other religions ever make a claim
their way is also a way to GOD . WHEN JESUS HIMSELF SAID , ON NO IT AINT .
THEY have to Make JESUS as just a man , just a way and not the ONLY WAY TO GOD .
As for me , I STICK TO THE BIBLE and the biblical JESUS .
IF even an holy angel told john not to bow before it , not to worship it , BUT RATHER WORSHIP ONLY GOD .
Notice it says WORSHIP GOD . AND YET when folks are throwing crowns before JESUS
WHEN even john fell before the feet OF JESUS , NOTICE LONG AND HARD , JESUS DIDNT SEEM TO SAY
get up john and worship only GOD . NOR did JESUS correct the apostel called thomas who even said
Not only MY LORD BUT ALSO MY GOD . FOLKS stop selling out to the lies of men . STOP grabbing hold of the agenda .
AND START LEARNING THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELVES . CAUSE MANY AINT GONNA MAKE IT .

 

[Wrangler]

Form and image mean the same thing?

In that they are not what IS. For instance, my savings bank is in the form of a pig. It is not a pig.

Language usage. The only reason to say something is in the form of something is because it is something else. Another example, a cake in the form of a guitar.

 

[RLT63]

At least you accept that your doctrine contradicts what the the Bible actually says.

God communicated His message in ways the people could understand. Read Genesis. Did God tell us the earth was round, that it orbits the sun or explain gravity? People weren't ready for these concepts. Jesus is The Son of God. He has been for all eternity.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Do you see the NOT in the sentence? You are taking did not as did.

And we are all made in the image of God. It doesn't make us God.

Finally, inherently contradictory ideas are not hard to understand; they are nonsense, e.g. square circles.

He did not regard His equality something to be grasped, means though this concept was important, man cannot fully grasp it, so He didn't stress it. If He did regard it, then He would have shown His glory to everyone. Why not just float up into the air, appear like the brillance of the sun and show everyone what you can do? No, He came as a suffering servant, for a purpose. Soon He will come as a KING _ in JUDGMENT _ GLORY _ AND POWER. Then you will bow your knee to Him.
Most translations use grasp but others are different:
First, an expanded amplified version:
AMP “who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes—the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it];

KJV “thought it not robbery to be equal with God” - I don't really like that one. Although the Pharisees accused Him of claiming to be God, which is why they sought out to kill Him. They though He we trying to rob the glory from God.

CSB “did not consider equality with God as something to be exploited.” He did not exploit His divinity, take advantage of His powers. He relinquished His glory temporarily to empty Himself and become a man. "The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us". Here is the concept presented, by Him, but not directly.

ERV “but he did not think that his being equal with God was something to use for his own benefit.”

NIV “ Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;”

So all in all, he did not shove it in your face, exploit His deity and so you don't grasp that He is God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hello brother. Good to see you.

Says a new ager to another new ager .
some folks on this site dont even believe its necessary to have to believe in JESUS to be saved .
They follow new age , and teachings of its princess orpah wimphrey . As though JESUS has to learn how to become GOD
and worse i bet some of them think we are able to become God . scary stuff eh .
I bet some of us on this site follow the all inclusive path . You know the one that says other religoins
other paths and etc FIND their way to GOD TOO by their lovey lovey and good works .
CORRECTION TIME . IF even cornelious who actually worshipped the GOD of the JEWS
and did many good works , many prayers , any alms to GOD ,
IF even HE who had all his good works and prayers brought up as a memorial before GOD
had to hear the gospel and BELIEVE in order to be saved , I GOT NEWS , EVERYONE DOES .
I will be as a pit bull half starved upon a piece of delicate meat against all false doctrine .
EITHER WE TRULY from the heart believe the one true gospel , and teach that and allow no other false hope ,
OR WAIL on the DAY OF JESUS . At least i tried to warn the peoples .

 

[amigo de christo]

God communicated His message in ways the people could understand. Read Genesis. Did God tell us the earth was round, that it orbits the sun or explain gravity? People weren't ready for these concepts. Jesus is The Son of God. He has been for all eternity.

Yeah none of that leads one to salvation . THUS it matters not . NOT A LICK
but what does matter is this . DID WE KNOW the BIBLICAL JESUS , DID WE FOLLOW and LOVE HIM .
Cause if we preach contrary to HIM or the apostels in said bible . WE DONT KNOW HIM
and no amount of false love and good works is gonna save us . PEROID .
now that means END OF DISCUSSION .
Remember this well for on the day of the LORD many will WAIL . so remember WELL or prepare to WAIL .