Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

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amigo de christo

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Correct.
Mary was a human.
And she needed a Savior, just like we all do.
I never said we should pray to her or to any saint.

Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever (Jude 24-25).

When we say that Jesus is Mary’s savior, we understand that to mean that he saved her from sin by preserving her from it. Theologian Alan Schreck explains that “the Lord applied the grace of Jesus’ salvation to Mary in advance to prepare her for her special role in his plan.”2

source: Why Does Mary Need a Savior if She was Sinless?


this is also for @Dan Clarkston
You might want to RETHINK something . i just reread what you wrote BEFORE THIS .
you said MARY was SINLESS . no . moses was not , not even noah was .
Now her heart may have been AFTER GOD and she followed every blood sacrfice for sins and etc .
BUT AINT NO ONE without sin BUT GOD .
 
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Good my friend . real good . i just wanted to make sure . very good my friend . my heart be happy .
You know Amigo...I have to say this....
I wish Protestants would quit disliking the CC so much.
It has many very good teachings that are rather deep....so much so that I don't even understand some.
They could be explained simply (which is what I like) or a theologian could read this stuff and be satisfied.
I don't agree with all they teach which is why I'm not Catholic....
but I don't agree with everything any denomination teaches.
Especially the reformed....you want to dislike teachings?.....it should be those...
they change the very nature of God.

Anyway...it's good to understand each other.
I don't like to take sides - what's right is right.....no matter which side states it.
 

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You might want to RETHINK something . i just reread what you wrote BEFORE THIS .
you said MARY was SINLESS . no . moses was not , not even noah was .
Now her heart may have been AFTER GOD and she followed every blood sacrfice for sins and etc .
BUT AINT NO ONE without sin BUT GOD .
I've thought about this a long time.
I cannot come to believe that God would place HIS SON in the body of a sin stained woman/soul.
The Eastern Traditions also believe that Mary was without the stain of original sin or the sin nature.
God could do whatever He wants to do, and I do believe that He placed His Son in the body of a pristine woman.
 

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I've thought about this a long time.
I cannot come to believe that God would place HIS SON in the body of a sin stained woman/soul.
The embryo implanted in the womb of this virgin was holy….God’s unique creation by means of his spirit.

Mary was God’s choice for two reasons….she was “highly favored” because of her devotion to her God, knowing the Scriptures she quoted by heart….and also because the unique circumstance of Jesus’ birth were prophesied…..the woman who bore the son of God did not have to be sinless, (no Scripture says so, though that did not stop “the Catholic church” from imposing this restriction) she just had to have the qualities that God was looking for in order for her and her husband to raise his son in the faith….and she had to be a virgin. But Joseph also had to be a strong spiritual head of his household. He also had to have fine spiritual qualities. He was Jesus’ “father” in every normal respect, except that this child carried no sinful DNA. He was 100% human.

This man was a “person” in every respect because he had to be the exact equivalent of Adam, in order to offer his life as a ransom for the ill fated human race. If Adam was a person, then Jesus had to be as well.

An unmarried woman would have been greatly shamed to produce a child out of wedlock, (and often this carried the death penalty) so this virgin had to be married. No married woman remained a virgin after the wedding night. As an honorable man, upon learning of Mary’s pregnancy before they were united, he planned to divorce her secretly so as not to bring that shame upon her. The Scripture in Matt 1:25 tells us that Joseph respected his wife’s virginity until after Jesus was born. His birth would have removed Mary’s virginity anyway.

These were unique circumstances indeed……this virgin had to be betrothed, but not married (with loss of virginity) when God implanted the embryo of his fully human son, (his life force being transferred from the spirit realm to the material world by God’s miracle). Mary was the vehicle through whom the Christ would be born. He was not her biological son because he did not have Adam’s faulty DNA in his sinless body. But according to Jewish belief and custom, he was for all intents and purposes, the son of Mary and Joseph, fulfilling all the legal requirements.

After Jesus’ birth Mary and Joseph presented their son at the Temple where they experienced the reaction of two elderly servants of God who were moved by God’s spirit to acknowledge his status as the savior. (Luke 2:25-40)
Mary made a sin offering as was the law after childbirth. (Luke 2:21-24; Lev 12:6-8)
Going beyond what is written doesn’t make something the truth. Just read what it says without the conjecture.
The Eastern Traditions also believe that Mary was without the stain of original sin or the sin nature.
God could do whatever He wants to do, and I do believe that He placed His Son in the body of a pristine woman.
Tradition is what trapped the Pharisees into false religious beliefs. When Jesus walked the earth, he had nothing good to say about these men and the place of tradition in their worship.

Matt 15:3, 7-9…
”In reply he said to them: “Why do you overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition?...
You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: 8 ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”


History repeats because corrupt men want to impose their own meaning to Scripture….and how often did the Jews do this only to receive God’s adverse judgment? Jesus said it would happen again with the devil up to his old tricks, sowing “weeds” among the “wheat”.

It will all be exposed in God’s due time…..but for now the door of opportunity is open for people to see how corrupted “Christianity” has become. Divided and hopelessly lost in traditions and false assumptions about so many things. Most “Protestants” have no idea how “Catholic” their beliefs are. Many of the original Catholic doctrines spilled over into what most Protestants hold to be “Christian” teachings…..but they were never “Christian” to begin with. All of them find their origins in pagan beliefs and practices…..but strongly entrenched beliefs, held for centuries, are hard to rise above……but unless we do, no salvation will be offered to us.
Those who hold and cherish lies as truth, will come to grief when the judge arrives to pass sentence. (Matt 7:21-23)

The command in Rev 18:4-5 must be obeyed…..the “wheat” must separate from the “weeds” before it’s too late.
 
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You may be right. I don’t know of any Church called “RCC”.

The Catholic Church, however, is the Church founded be Jesus and His Apostles some 2000 years ago - and we have the evidence to prove it. It has withstood much bigger threats than
YOU . . .
It's Roman origin is well documented. As I said, Pagan mixed with strong Judaism is the recipe for the Roman Catholic Church. Legalism and man-made traditions eventually consumed the body and is now desolate.

It's a leperous house!

"And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plastered" Lev 14:43

Figuratively, this is what took place after the reforming work of Zerubbabel, Joshua, Ezra and Nehemiah, in restoring the nation. The plague broke out again in the house of Judah, so that in the days of John Baptist, and the Lord Jesus Christ, it was found in a leprous state.

When the Lord returns this house, your house will be found to be full of leprously and needing to be destroyed.

If you look at verse 44 I think you will find this again rather convincing of your situation:

"Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house;
it is unclean"


John Baptist came and reported on the condition of the "house". His labours were followed by the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ, who inspected the "house" and found it leprous (John 2:13-17). He warned the people of the approaching visitation (Matt. 23:38; Luke 19:44).

While I am not John the Baptist I provide you the same warning - get out!

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For everyone one else who stands related to the doctrines of the Mother Church, you should also be warned!

Christ warned the people that "not one stone would be left standing upon another" in regard to the Temple (Matthew 24:2). His warning regarding the literal house of Yahweh had application also to the figurative house the nation itself (Mark 11:15-17). Christ is represented as breaking down the stones of the "house" of Israel (Deut 28:49; Matt. 22:7). for "all power" was delivered unto him both "in heaven and
in earth" (Matt. 28:18).

If you share one of the RCC's doctrines, you should seriously contemplate your position and standing before God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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I would ask the following since you seem both knowledgeable and reasonable:
1. If kindsmen, cousins, etc. would be the correct translation, why is the word BROTHER used since it has a very specific meaning today?
Why not say: Blood relative for instance, which could mean a cousin.

"kinsman/kinswoman, or relative" is one of the definitions, it's not a translation, of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφοί" (adelphoi), or "brothers", and it can refer to various types of family members. That's why one shouldn't just assume that the word "ἀδελφοί" refers to siblings, or any other type of family member in any given verse where that definition applies. Unfortunately, there are people who make the mistake of assuming that a modern-day familial definition of the modern-day word "brother" applies to the archaic Koine Greek word for "brother".

Refer back to post #4 where in it I present scriptural verses, and the testimonies of early Christian Church fathers, that collectively show Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and (Jude/Thaddeus) were the sons of His uncle, Alphaeus, and his wife, Mary.

2. WHY is it so imperative that Mary not have had other children in the Catholic faith?

The perpetual virginity of Mary is a Truth passed down orally and traditionally for over two thousand years. In modern times, Jesus Himself, on February 13th, 1949, confirmed it once again to His spokesperson Maria Valtorta saying, "Can it be admitted that She who was preordained to be the divine form for the Second Person to become flesh could accept the seed of a man in Her womb, which had been divinised by God taking form in it, and have a human son conceived in original sin through inheritance from Adam? How could the Immaculate have generated an impure son from Her womb? How could the eternal Virgin accept human intercourse after having known the embrace of God? She Who from eternity we thought of as "our dwelling" could only be of God. Only God Incarnate could be formed and born from the Most Holy Mary."

Jesus has spoken in depth to Maria Valtorta about His Mother and many other topics. It's all quite enlightening and beautiful.

3. Some Catholic theologians (I named one before) can accept that these brothers were the children of Joseph by a previous marriage.
I can't remember if you also deny that....if so, why?

It's my understanding that Jesus's brothers were not sons of Joseph from a previous marriage, for reasons some of which have been presented in post #4.

For instance...a good reason to believe Mary had no other children is the fact that Jesus gave John the task of caring for Mary (from the Cross) and V V. This would seem to indicate that, indeed, Jesus was the only child of Mary....in ANY regard.

While you might believe Jesus placing His Mother in the care of John of Zebedee indicates that He didn't have siblings, there are others who believe it indicates that He did have siblings, but either didn't trust them, or didn't like that they were unbelievers, which is why He didn't choose any of them to take care of Mary. Prior to what I learned, I never believed that the latter was the case, and what I came to learn confirmed that it wasn't. On February 24th, 1944, Jesus dictated to His spokesperson Maria Valtorta why He chose John of Zebedee to care for His Mother as a son:

"Look at the lively delicate sensitiveness of John's behaviour from the Thursday night to the Friday night. And further. But let us consider it during those hours.

A moment of dismay. An hour of dullness. But after he overcomes sleepiness through the excitement of the arrest, and the excitement through love, he comes, dragging Peter with him, so that the Master may have some comfort seeing the Head of the apostles and the Favourite apostle.

He then thinks of the Mother, to Whom some cruel person may shout that Her Son has already been captured. And he goes to Her. He does not know that Mary is already living the tortures of Her Son and that while the apostles were sleeping, She was awake and was praying, agonising with Her Son. He does not know. And He goes to Her and prepares Her for the news.

Then he goes to and fro from Caiaphas' house to the Praetorium, from Caiaphas' house to Herod's palace, and then again from Caiaphas' house to the Praetorium. And to do so that morning, elbowing his way through a crowd intoxicated with hatred, wearing garments that point him out as a Galilean, is not pleasant. But love supports him, and he does not think of himself, but of Jesus' and His Mother's sorrows. He could be stoned as a follower of the Nazarene. It does not matter. He defies everything. The others have run away, they are hiding, they are led by prudence and fear. He is led by love, and he remains and shows himself. He is pure. Love thrives in purity.

And if his pity and common sense of a man of the people persuade him to keep Mary away from the crowds and from the Praetorium - he does not know that Mary shares all the tortures of Her Son, suffering them spiritually - when he decides that the time has come when Jesus needs His Mother, and that it is not right to keep the Mother any longer away from Her Son, he takes Her to Him, he supports Her, he defends Her.

What is that handful of loyal people: a man all alone, unarmed, young, with no authority, leading a few women, with respect to a furious crowd? Nothing. A little pile of leaves that the wind can scatter. A small boat on a stormy ocean that can sink it. It does not matter. Love is his strength and his sail. He is armed with it, and with it he protects the Woman and the women until the end.

John possessed the love of compassion as no other person, except My Mother, possessed it. He is the Head of those who love with such love. He is your master with regard to that. Follow him in the example he gives you of purity and love, and you will be great.

Go in peace, now. I bless you." (The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. V)

(Note: see the first four links in my signature for proof that Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson for Jesus.)
 
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The issue with this subject goes beyond the OP.

Previously promulgated doctrines of the Roman church about Mary were confirmed by Pope Leo XII in 1891, when he specifically taught that the Son can be reached through his mother, and that the rosary was to be used in prayer to Mary.

Mary is dead and buried to this day no different to David

“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Acts 2:29

But the worship of Mary was not yet finalised. Pope Pius XII went even further, and in 1942 he consecrated the whole world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, calling her the Queen of the Rosary. Then he defined the doctrine of the Bodily Assumption of Mary as “a dogma revealed by God”.

Correction a dogma revealed by a fallible man who sits on an apostate throne!

This claimed that Mary was taken bodily to heaven, where she is stated to be at the right hand of her son. Then in 1953, a new feast was proclaimed in honour of Mary as Queen.

The leprously is in the walls, their fine clothing and extravagant idols.

Mary worship is nowhere found in the Word of God, if anything she is often being rebuked by the Lord and she is having to hide these matters in her heart and she wrestles with the piercing sword!

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Dan can you please refrain from using the words wild thing . i was about to put a fat like on this .
Try using intercourse or sex .

I never heard that "wild thing" was considered to be foul language.
Hey, at least you didn't use a certain coarser term. He should at least give you credit for that.

"Intercourse" sounds so clinical. How about, "They made love with passion, yet tenderness"?
 
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I wonder how many people are going to ask Mary about her sex life when they get to Heaven?

I would never ask a lady that. Instead, If I wanted to find out the truth, I'd buy Joseph a beer or two and start talking about the women in our lives.
 
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The embryo implanted in the womb of this virgin was holy….God’s unique creation by means of his spirit.

Mary was God’s choice for two reasons….she was “highly favored” because of her devotion to her God, knowing the Scriptures she quoted by heart….and also because the unique circumstance of Jesus’ birth were prophesied…..the woman who bore the son of God did not have to be sinless, (no Scripture says so, though that did not stop “the Catholic church” from imposing this restriction) she just had to have the qualities that God was looking for in order for her and her husband to raise his son in the faith….and she had to be a virgin. But Joseph also had to be a strong spiritual head of his household. He also had to have fine spiritual qualities. He was Jesus’ “father” in every normal respect, except that this child carried no sinful DNA. He was 100% human.

This man was a “person” in every respect because he had to be the exact equivalent of Adam, in order to offer his life as a ransom for the ill fated human race. If Adam was a person, then Jesus had to be as well.

An unmarried woman would have been greatly shamed to produce a child out of wedlock, (and often this carried the death penalty) so this virgin had to be married. No married woman remained a virgin after the wedding night. As an honorable man, upon learning of Mary’s pregnancy before they were united, he planned to divorce her secretly so as not to bring that shame upon her. The Scripture in Matt 1:25 tells us that Joseph respected his wife’s virginity until after Jesus was born. His birth would have removed Mary’s virginity anyway.
The CC believes that the birth of Jesus did NOT remove Mary's virginity.
It remained in tact.

These were unique circumstances indeed……this virgin had to be betrothed, but not married (with loss of virginity) when God implanted the embryo of his fully human son, (his life force being transferred from the spirit realm to the material world by God’s miracle).
And in this same manner...Mary could have miraculously been born without the sin nature.

Mary was the vehicle through whom the Christ would be born. He was not her biological son because he did not have Adam’s faulty DNA in his sinless body. But according to Jewish belief and custom, he was for all intents and purposes, the son of Mary and Joseph, fulfilling all the legal requirements.
Agreed re Adam's DNA not being transferred to Jesus.
I dislike the term "Mary was the vehicle" of Jesus' birth...which you used above.
This is what I've stated before.
Mary was not just another woman.
Mary was not just a uterus.
The way you say this makes it sound like she was just a thing that was used to God to birth His Son.

Mary was different...she was the MOTHER OF GOD.
She was special.
She was sinless because God would not use a sinful "vessel" to use your terms....to birth His Holy Son.

Mary was full of grace.
Mary was chosen BY GOD.
Mary was FAVORED....in a different way than the rest of us.

After Jesus’ birth Mary and Joseph presented their son at the Temple where they experienced the reaction of two elderly servants of God who were moved by God’s spirit to acknowledge his status as the savior. (Luke 2:25-40)
Mary made a sin offering as was the law after childbirth. (Luke 2:21-24; Lev 12:6-8)
Going beyond what is written doesn’t make something the truth. Just read what it says without the conjecture.
There's a lot written after the close of the NT writings....after they were chosen, I should say.
Theologians have been discussing this type of material for centuries.
Have you ever read the Early Church Fathers? Of course not. But you should give it a try.
They're the closest persons we have to Jesus besides the Apostles....whom were taught by them.
They held Mary in high esteem.

Tradition is what trapped the Pharisees into false religious beliefs. When Jesus walked the earth, he had nothing good to say about these men and the place of tradition in their worship.
Actually, Jesus told His followers that they were to do what the Pharisees taught...but NOT what they did.
Matthew 23:3

As to Tradition....Paul told the followers to follow oral teaching and tradition.
2 Thessalonians 2:15

Matt 15:3, 7-9…
”In reply he said to them: “Why do you overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition?...
You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: 8 ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”
Commands of men are not in the early church.
They came much later on.
And every denomination has some.

History repeats because corrupt men want to impose their own meaning to Scripture….and how often did the Jews do this only to receive God’s adverse judgment? Jesus said it would happen again with the devil up to his old tricks, sowing “weeds” among the “wheat”.
Agreed.
It will all be exposed in God’s due time…..but for now the door of opportunity is open for people to see how corrupted “Christianity” has become. Divided and hopelessly lost in traditions and false assumptions about so many things. Most “Protestants” have no idea how “Catholic” their beliefs are. Many of the original Catholic doctrines spilled over into what most Protestants hold to be “Christian” teachings…..but they were never “Christian” to begin with. All of them find their origins in pagan beliefs and practices…..but strongly entrenched beliefs, held for centuries, are hard to rise above……but unless we do, no salvation will be offered to us.
Those who hold and cherish lies as truth, will come to grief when the judge arrives to pass sentence. (Matt 7:21-23)

The command in Rev 18:4-5 must be obeyed…..the “wheat” must separate from the “weeds” before it’s too late.
Well, of course I can't agree with the above.
You say Christian teachings were never Christian.
What were they???
Whatever was taught by the Christian church after Jesus' death....
WAS the Christian teaching.

I'd go so far as to say that any teaching that came about recently would have to be, by default, incorrect.
Some examples: Mormonism....JWs......Calvinism. I'm sure there's more.
 

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Ain't nobody better go dissin' Jesus's mama. Some of the places I played hoops, talkin' smack about someone's mama might get you a board upside the head.
That's a good way of saying it.
But....I do so think that you're here to gather up those likes....
Oh yeah.
 
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"kinsman/kinswoman, or relative" is one of the definitions, it's not a translation, of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφοί" (adelphoi), or "brothers", and it can refer to various types of family members. That's why one shouldn't just assume that the word "ἀδελφοί" refers to siblings, or any other type of family member in any given verse where that definition applies. Unfortunately, there are people who make the mistake of assuming that a modern-day familial definition of the modern-day word "brother" applies to the archaic Koine Greek word for "brother".
Here's the problem with what you state above:

It's the responsibility of the translator to properly convey the meaning of each word.
For instance:
Here's the word for grandson in Italian
NIPOTE
Here's the word for nephew in Italian
NIPOTE

If I'm writing a letter to you...it's MY responsibility to either write GRANDSON or NEPHEW,,,,depending on who I'm speaking of.
If in Koine greek there's only one word for both brother and cousin....it's up to the translator to translate it to either brother or cousin.
The reason this wasn't done...IMHO...is because the writers were not sure themselves OR they really did mean brotherRefer back to post #4 where in it I present scriptural verses, and the testimonies of early Christian Church fathers, that collectively show Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and (Jude/Thaddeus) were the sons of His uncle, Alphaeus, and his wife, Mary.
The ECFs do not collectively show Jesus' brothers as either a real brother/sibling OR a cousin.
I've read the ECFs on this and they do not agree. This is why I have a problem with this (in coming to a conclusion I mean)...I do tend to believe what the ECFs taught if they're in agreement.

I'm not really willing to debate this, but the following is one of the reasons that I think it's impossible to come to any real conclusion...

The brothers of Jesus were evidently known as ‘the brothers of the Lord’ in early Christian circles (Gal. 1:19; 1 Cor. 9:5), but since the term ‘brother’ by no means necessarily refers to a full blood-brother, the question of their precise relationship to Jesus, along with that of Jesus’ sisters, arises. Since at least the fourth century this issue has been much debated, mainly because of its implications for the traditional doctrine of the perpetual virginity of Mary. The three major views have come to be known by the names of their fourth-century proponents: Helvidius, Epiphanius and Jerome. The Helvidian view, which probably most modern exegetes, even including some Roman Catholic scholars, hold, is that the brothers were sons of Joseph and Mary, born after Jesus.3 The Epiphanian view, which is the traditional view in the Eastern Orthodox churches, is that they were sons of Joseph by a marriage prior to his marriage to Mary, and so were older than Jesus. The Hieronymian view, which through Jerome’s influence became the traditional western Catholic view, is that they were first cousins of Jesus.

We cannot here enter this debate in any detail. Although the Hieronymian view still has its advocates, it must be said to be the least probable. The Greek word for ‘brother’ can be used for relationships more distant than the modern English ‘brother’. However, the brothers of Jesus are invariably called his brothers in early Christian literature (both within and outside the NT). If they were actually cousins, we should expect that this relationship would be specified more exactly on at least some occasions. In fact, the second-century writer Hegesippus,4 who calls James and Jude ‘brothers of the Lord’, calls Simeon the son of Clopas the ‘cousin of the Lord’, evidently distinguishing the two relationships. But if the Hieronymian view is improbable, it is not easy to decide between the other two views. On the Epiphanian view, the brothers of Jesus would have been his adoptive brothers (assuming the virginal conception of Jesus as historical fact). In that case, we should not expect them to be called anything except ‘brothers’. No NT text offers any further real evidence on this point, but the idea that the brothers and sisters of Jesus were children of Joseph by a previous marriage is found in three second-century Christian works (the Protevangelium of James, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Peter),5 which probably all derive from Syria.

source: The Relatives of Jesus

The perpetual virginity of Mary is a Truth passed down orally and traditionally for over two thousand years. In modern times, Jesus Himself, on February 13th, 1949, confirmed it once again to His spokesperson Maria Valtorta saying, "Can it be admitted that She who was preordained to be the divine form for the Second Person to become flesh could accept the seed of a man in Her womb, which had been divinised by God taking form in it, and have a human son conceived in original sin through inheritance from Adam?
Great point.
Although, lot's remember....OS is in the seed of the man...not of the woman.
But the other point is also taken...
How could the Immaculate have generated an impure son from Her womb? How could the eternal Virgin accept human intercourse after having known the embrace of God? She Who from eternity we thought of as "our dwelling" could only be of God. Only God Incarnate could be formed and born from the Most Holy Mary."

Jesus has spoken in depth to Maria Valtorta about His Mother and many other topics. It's all quite enlightening and beautiful.
I don't know Maria Volterra. I tend to not pay too much attention to the saints that have messages directly from God.
I believe Jesus was the last revelation and if we're going to give heed to them...then maybe Muhammad was right too??
And John Smith?? You get the point...I think this is very dangerous.


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It's my understanding that Jesus's brothers were not sons of Joseph from a previous marriage, for reasons some of which have been presented in post #4.

While you might believe Jesus placing His Mother in the care of John of Zebedee indicates that He didn't have siblings, there are others who believe it indicates that He did have siblings, but either didn't trust them, or didn't like that they were unbelievers, which is why He didn't choose any of them to take care of Mary. Prior to what I learned, I never believed that the latter was the case, and what I came to learn confirmed that it wasn't. On February 24th, 1944, Jesus dictated to His spokesperson Maria Valtorta why He chose John of Zebedee to care for His Mother as a son:

"Look at the lively delicate sensitiveness of John's behaviour from the Thursday night to the Friday night. And further. But let us consider it during those hours.
We all know these facts. We didn't need a saint to reveal them to us.
Actually,,,,I don't know of a saint that has clarified anything but only repeats what we already know.
To take it as divine revelation...as far as I'm concerned...is not a good idea.
A moment of dismay. An hour of dullness. But after he overcomes sleepiness through the excitement of the arrest, and the excitement through love, he comes, dragging Peter with him, so that the Master may have some comfort seeing the Head of the apostles and the Favourite apostle.
He dragged Peter with him?
Where?
He then thinks of the Mother, to Whom some cruel person may shout that Her Son has already been captured. And he goes to Her. He does not know that Mary is already living the tortures of Her Son and that while the apostles were sleeping, She was awake and was praying, agonising with Her Son. He does not know. And He goes to Her and prepares Her for the news.
The Apostles were not sleeping....they were hiding.
Are these more words of Valtorta or yours??


Then he goes to and fro from Caiaphas' house to the Praetorium, from Caiaphas' house to Herod's palace, and then again from Caiaphas' house to the Praetorium. And to do so that morning, elbowing his way through a crowd intoxicated with hatred, wearing garments that point him out as a Galilean, is not pleasant. But love supports him, and he does not think of himself, but of Jesus' and His Mother's sorrows. He could be stoned as a follower of the Nazarene. It does not matter. He defies everything. The others have run away, they are hiding, they are led by prudence and fear. He is led by love, and he remains and shows himself. He is pure. Love thrives in purity.

And if his pity and common sense of a man of the people persuade him to keep Mary away from the crowds and from the Praetorium - he does not know that Mary shares all the tortures of Her Son, suffering them spiritually - when he decides that the time has come when Jesus needs His Mother, and that it is not right to keep the Mother any longer away from Her Son, he takes Her to Him, he supports Her, he defends Her.

What is that handful of loyal people: a man all alone, unarmed, young, with no authority, leading a few women, with respect to a furious crowd? Nothing. A little pile of leaves that the wind can scatter. A small boat on a stormy ocean that can sink it. It does not matter. Love is his strength and his sail. He is armed with it, and with it he protects the Woman and the women until the end.
If these are your words....I commend you...very beautiful.
I've often reflected on these hours myself with much sadness.
John possessed the love of compassion as no other person, except My Mother, possessed it. He is the Head of those who love with such love. He is your master with regard to that. Follow him in the example he gives you of purity and love, and you will be great.

Go in peace, now. I bless you." (The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. V)

(Note: see the first four links in my signature for proof that Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson for Jesus.)
Oops. It's Valtorta....very beautiful indeed.
THE GOSPEL AS REVEALED TO ME.

I think God can give us personal revelation...but I DO BELIEVE it should remain personal.
She shared hers....OK....but we shouldn't take it as doctrine or definitely not dogma.

You didn't reply to an important question of mine.
I asked WHY it's so important for the CC to believe Jesus had no brothers.
Actually, I know the reason but don't care to discuss intimate matters over the internet....
I was wondering if you would reply accordingly --- using, who knows, what language....
maybe better than I could do. Anyway, no need to go there....you explained well enough regarding Mary having sinful seed in her womb.
 

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“Today‘s the Feast of the Presentation of Mary. In thanksgiving for her birth, Joachim & Anne consecrated her to God & brought her, at the age of 3, to the Jerusalem temple where she remained until she was 12. It was during this time that she took her perpetual vow of virginity.”