Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

[BreadOfLife]

And all of these points do not apply to the RCC. It's system will be ground to dust in the end never to be remembered.
F2F

You may be right. I don’t know of any Church called “RCC”.

The Catholic Church, however, is the Church founded be Jesus and His Apostles some 2000 years ago - and we have the evidence to prove it. It has withstood much bigger threats than YOU . . .

 

[Lambano]

In fact...we believe that we are TAINTED with sin.
NOT that we are sin itself.
So, again, that would make Sin its own entity.

Hmm. Do these discussions of "nature" assume homogenous substance?

 

[Lambano]

Hmm. Do these discussions of "nature" assume homogenous substance?

For that matter, do they assume a "person's" substance is immutable (by definition)? If the "Logos" becomes "Flesh", is it by definition a different person?

 

[GodsGrace]

You may be right. I don’t know of any Church called “RCC”.

The Catholic Church, however, is the Church founded be Jesus and His Apostles some 2000 years ago - and we have the evidence to prove it. It has withstood much bigger threats than YOU . . .

Agreed on the 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph....
And also on the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph...
And one of them is sitting in the Vatican right now as we speak.
But no matter....the gates of hell shall not prevail.

No response necessary.

 

[Lambano]

Should I report myself to the mods and ask for a 6-month ban for violating board policy?

 

[GodsGrace]

For that matter, do they assume a "person's" substance is immutable (by definition)? If the "Logos" becomes "Flesh", is it by definition a different person?

Funny stuff Lambano.

The flesh cannot be a different PERSON.
It is a man with a human nature.
Wow. Those ECFs had a lot to think about!

Now 'nuff of that!!

 

[GodsGrace]

Should I turn myself into the mods and ask for a 6-month ban for violating board policy?

1. You don't want to be a mod.
2. If you get a 6 month temp ban it means they DON'T WANT YOU BACK!
3. And no....you cannot self-regulate.

 

[Lambano]

Funny stuff Lambano.

I'm always happy to give someone a laugh, but that was actually two very serious questions.

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm always happy to give someone a laugh, but that was actually two very serious questions.

Huh?
Well, apparently, you're barking up the wrong tree!

 

[GodsGrace]

@Lambano
Wait!
I did reply to 463...and the reply is correct.

Hmmmm. I'm not totally dumb.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Dan can you please refrain from using the words wild thing . i was about to put a fat like on this .
Try using intercourse or sex .

I never heard that "wild thing" was considered to be foul language.

Yes they were Josephs children and it says Jesus mother was with them but it does not say she is their mother

Wow, so you guys think Mary was making it was some guy other than Joseph... in other words, she was whore was cheating on Joseph having babies with other men???

You have been spending too much time reading the Book of Speculations!

Mary was not sinless, but she was someone who walk upright before the Lord.... otherwise the Lord would have chosen Becky Sue from down the street! (or some other woman that was walking upright before the Lord)

it does not make her equal or the same as Jesus no matter how hard you try.

If she was sinless, God's Word would not have these statements...

Luke 1:47
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Romans 3:23
For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

If Marry was sinless then the Lord would need to edit Romans 3:23, otherwise it's a lie!

I notice that you keep repeating ths nonsense about "worshipping" Mary.

Your attempts to gaslight people is pretty hilarious!

I have seen catholic writings that plainly say Mary is to be worshiped and that she is equal with Jesus Christ all of which is idolatry which you are going to learn the hard way someday when you croak and go south rather than north.

Enjoy your heresy... whilst you can!

 

[GodsGrace]

For that matter, do they assume a "person's" substance is immutable (by definition)? If the "Logos" becomes "Flesh", is it by definition a different person?

I didn't reply properly.....
If Jesus were A PERSON,,,,the Trinity would have ended up being 4 persons instead of 3.
Jesus was the 2nd Person of the Trinity and could not also be a HUMAN PERSON.
I don't understand this very well and YOU apparently grasp this better than I do.
It's necessary to know the difference between a Person and just simply human nature.

Jesus had a human nature...
but He was not a Person.

If you have something to add....please do.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Jesus was the 2nd Person of the Trinity and could not also be a HUMAN PERSON.

Jesus.... is 100% God and 100% man all at the same time.

The difference between Him and all other men is that.... he never once fell short of God's absolute perfection

 

[GodsGrace]

I never heard that "wild thing" was considered to be foul language. View attachment 52433




Wow, so you guys think Mary was making it was some guy other than Joseph... in other words, she was whore was cheating on Joseph having babies with other men???

You have been spending too much time reading the Book of Speculations!

Mary was not sinless, but she was someone who walk upright before the Lord.... otherwise the Lord would have chosen Becky Sue from down the street! (or some other woman that was walking upright before the Lord)

This is not for me,,,,but
YOU saying that God could have chosen Becky Sue down the street is saying that Mary was just another woman that was walking upright with God. Apparently, for you, there were many Marys back then.

There was only ONE MARY DC.
God didn't too much predestinating....but He DID chose Mary to be the Mother of Jesus.
God saw to it that Mary would be born sans the sin nature.

Think of it....
Would God put HIS only Son in the body of a human being that was tainted with original sin...or the sin nature?
I think not.

If she was sinless, God's Word would not have these statements...

Luke 1:47
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Jesus is the Savior of ALL PERSONS.
Mary needed a Savior just like everyone else so she could attain heaven...
This does NOT mean that she was born with sin marking her very soul.

Romans 3:23
For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

ALL have sinned.
Does this include Jesus?

No. Paul is not going to stop to explain every single detail every time.

If Marry was sinless then the Lord would need to edit Romans 3:23, otherwise it's a lie!

No lie.
Gabriel said:
HAIL, FAVORED ONE....
Mary was the favored one by God....
A very special person to give birth to God.

Yes. If Jesus is God....she gave birth to God.
Not God Father....but God nonetheless.

Your attempts to gaslight people is pretty hilarious!

I have seen catholic writings that plainly say Mary is to be worshiped and that she is equal with Jesus Christ all of which is idolatry which you are going to learn the hard way someday when you croak and go south rather than north.

Enjoy your heresy... whilst you can!

The CC does NOT teach that Mary is to be worshipped.
Some Catholic may do this....but it is not Catholic teaching.
The CC does NOT teach that Mary is equal to Jesus.
This is absurd. Could you post where you read this?

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus.... is 100% God and 100% man all at the same time.

The difference between Him and all other men is that.... he never once fell short of God's absolute perfection

I agree. But have you been following along?
The question is: Was Jesus a PERSON?

Looks like the answer is NO.
But it's not something I understand.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Apparently, for you, there were many Marys back then.

What you do not know about the Lord is that.... He will always have a way to get His will done.

If Mary had not agreed to the calling the Lord put before her... you can be assured the Lord would have found another righteous woman as there were other women in Israel that were upright before the Lord.

Mary needed a Savior just like everyone else so she could attain heaven...
This does NOT mean that she was born with sin marking her very soul.

You just contradicted yourself... If Marry was sinless then the Lord would need to edit Romans 3:23, otherwise it's a lie!

She was not sinless as Jesus was... if she had been sinless, then she could have gone to the cross instead of Jesus.

ALL have sinned.
Does this include Jesus?

Romans 3:23 is speaking of people, not Jesus Who is God's Word manifest in the flesh.

So sad you lack this understand to have to ask this faulty question!

Mary was the favored one by God....

God has had favor upon many others.... they just weren't called to give birth to the Lord's flesh so God's Word could become a man.

God favored Abraham, David, Moses, etc, etc so let's no play like Mary is equal to Jesus and was sinless because that's just idolatry and Mary worship.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Did you notice that Mary is not even mentioned here???

She did her part which was to be the avenue for God's Word to take upon flesh... after that, she's out and not involved in salvation in anyway.

The CC does NOT teach that Mary is to be worshipped.

Than ks for the attempt at gaslighting... I'll pass.

All one has to do is read that poem of false doctrine the rosary to know better.

Was Jesus a PERSON?

Looks like the answer is NO.

Yes... Jesus IS actually a person.

Those that think He's not does not have fellowship with Him and does not actually know him.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

 

[amigo de christo]

This is not for me,,,,but
YOU saying that God could have chosen Becky Sue down the street is saying that Mary was just another woman that was walking upright with God. Apparently, for you, there were many Marys back then.

There was only ONE MARY DC.
God didn't too much predestinating....but He DID chose Mary to be the Mother of Jesus.
God saw to it that Mary would be born sans the sin nature.

Think of it....
Would God put HIS only Son in the body of a human being that was tainted with original sin...or the sin nature?
I think not.



Jesus is the Savior of ALL PERSONS.
Mary needed a Savior just like everyone else so she could attain heaven...
This does NOT mean that she was born with sin marking her very soul.


ALL have sinned.
Does this include Jesus?

No. Paul is not going to stop to explain every single detail every time.



No lie.
Gabriel said:
HAIL, FAVORED ONE....
Mary was the favored one by God....
A very special person to give birth to God.

Yes. If Jesus is God....she gave birth to God.
Not God Father....but God nonetheless.

The CC does NOT teach that Mary is to be worshipped.
Some Catholic may do this....but it is not Catholic teaching.
The CC does NOT teach that Mary is equal to Jesus.
This is absurd. Could you post where you read this?

and he came in the same likness of sinful flesh . HOW COME JESUS had our same kind of flesh
BUT SOMEHOW HIS MOTHER DID NOT . teh RCC has decieved us all .
MARY IS BLESSED and YES WE CALL HER HIGHLY BLESSED . but lets get real she was as much a human as we all are
and NOT A ONE has not fallen far short of the GLORY of GOD and all NEED the ONE whom mary herself gave birth too .
INCLUDING MARY HERSELF . lets keep it real . dont forget she IS BLESSED but lets not pray to her or any saint .

 

[GodsGrace]

What you do not know about the Lord is that.... He will always have a way to get His will done.

If Mary had not agreed to the calling the Lord put before her... you can be assured the Lord would have found another righteous woman as there were other women in Israel that were upright before the Lord.

And there you have it Dan.
Mary was just another girl.
You know what the problem is?
Maybe Catholics venerate Mary too much.
Maybe Protestants don't venerate her enough.

God chose Mary from the beginning of the world to be the mother of His Son,,,the 2nd Person of the trinity/Godhead.
She was at the foot of the cross while her SON was hanging there after having been almost whipped to death. Do you ever wonder
how that would have felt? And killed by His very own people.....the Jews that were His "brethren". MY LORD MY LORD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME....Jesus was all alone....it felt like even God had forsaken Him in that moment. And Mary saw all of this.
She raised Jesus. She was not just some woman that could have said NO to God. She was chosen and special.
Elizabeth said: BLESSED AMONG WOMEN ARE YOU.
BLESSED AMONG WOMEN.
OF ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE AT THAT TIME.


Mary said:
GOD HAS HAD REGARD FOR HIS HUMBLE HANDMAIDEN.

Elizabeth exclaimed when Mary entered her home.
The only other times the word EXCLAIMED is used is in the OT and in regard to the Ark of the Covenant.
Could Mary be the new Ark of the Covenant?
Consider what was inside...

You just contradicted yourself... If Marry was sinless then the Lord would need to edit Romans 3:23, otherwise it's a lie!

She was not sinless as Jesus was... if she had been sinless, then she could have gone to the cross instead of Jesus.

I cringed when you said this Dan.
Mary was sinless, but Jesus was still her Savior in that HE is the one that would get her into heaven.
If you remember....the gate to heaven was closed until Jesus died.
Matthew 27:51
Mary would be able to enter into heaven...Jesus was her Savior, as well as the savior of the whole world...past, present and future.

Romans 3:23 is speaking of people, not Jesus Who is God's Word manifest in the flesh.

So sad you lack this understand to have to ask this faulty question!View attachment 52435

Cute emoji.
But, really, Dan....I was asking you a question to make you think....
If Paul says ALL....does that mean even Jesus?
No.
Then YOU are the one that has to adjust your understanding of that verse.

God has had favor upon many others.... they just weren't called to give birth to the Lord's flesh so God's Word could become a man.

Yes. Looks like you explained your own statement.

God favored Abraham, David, Moses, etc, etc so let's no play like Mary is equal to Jesus and was sinless because that's just idolatry and Mary worship.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Did you notice that Mary is not even mentioned here???

She did her part which was to be the avenue for God's Word to take upon flesh... after that, she's out and not involved in salvation in anyway.

She's out and not involved?
So she was just a uterus that God used?

Than ks for the attempt at gaslighting... I'll pass.

I don't know what gaslighting is.

But I KNOW FOR SURE that the CC does not teach that Mary is to be worshipped.
As I've asked....could you post something that states this?

All one has to do is read that poem of false doctrine the rosary to know better.

The rosary exists because people were not educated like we are today.
The rosary teaches about the LIFE OF CHRIST....not about the life of Mary.
The rosary is biblical and is useful for praying and for learning.
HAIL MARY
FULL OF GRACE
THE LORD IS WITH THEE
BLESSED ART THOU AMONG WOMEN
AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF THY WOMB
JESUS

It's beautiful !

Yes... Jesus IS actually a person.

Those that think He's not does not have fellowship with Him and does not actually know him.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

You don't understand then, what we were discussing.
Jesus was 100% God and 100% man.
God in the flesh.
The 2nd Person of the Trintiy.
The Son of God.
God incarnate.

 

[GodsGrace]

and he came in the same likness of sinful flesh . HOW COME JESUS had our same kind of flesh
BUT SOMEHOW HIS MOTHER DID NOT . teh RCC has decieved us all .
MARY IS BLESSED and YES WE CALL HER HIGHLY BLESSED . but lets get real she was as much a human as we all are
and NOT A ONE has not fallen far short of the GLORY of GOD and all NEED the ONE whom mary herself gave birth too .
INCLUDING MARY HERSELF . lets keep it real . dont forget she IS BLESSED but lets not pray to her or any saint .

Correct.
Mary was a human.
And she needed a Savior, just like we all do.
I never said we should pray to her or to any saint.

Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever (Jude 24-25).

When we say that Jesus is Mary’s savior, we understand that to mean that he saved her from sin by preserving her from it. Theologian Alan Schreck explains that “the Lord applied the grace of Jesus’ salvation to Mary in advance to prepare her for her special role in his plan.”2

source: Why Does Mary Need a Savior if She was Sinless?


this is also for @Dan Clarkston

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct.
Mary was a human.
And she needed a Savior, just like we all do.
I never said we should pray to her or to any saint.

Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever (Jude 24-25).

When we say that Jesus is Mary’s savior, we understand that to mean that he saved her from sin by preserving her from it. Theologian Alan Schreck explains that “the Lord applied the grace of Jesus’ salvation to Mary in advance to prepare her for her special role in his plan.”2

source: Why Does Mary Need a Savior if She was Sinless?


this is also for @Dan Clarkston

Good my friend . real good . i just wanted to make sure . very good my friend . my heart be happy .