Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

[Dan Clarkston]

I don't see the necessity for this. Jesus was coming into a sin-stained world to deal with a bunch of sin-stained human beings.

Oops! Too late for that!

Did you know that... the Lord took upon flesh and went to the Cross to prove a way for salvation for all those "sin-stained human beings" you were talking about???

The are statues of Mary which have been kissed so many times her toes are missing!
Idolatry at its worse
F2F

But, but, but... the rcc peoples always claim they don't worship Mary!

I'd say your observation is absolutely correct as they actually are worshiping Mary and there are lots of ex catholics that tell us that they were taught to worship Mary during the catechism (brainwashing) classes they had to go thru before being inducted in to the catholic cult.

See the first four links in my signature for proof that Maria Valtorta was Jesus's spokesperson.

False! Jesus sent the Holy Spirit as His Spokesperson to lead people in to all Truth... and Truth His Word!
See John 16:13, and John 17:17

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

LINK - What Catholics Must Believe About the Blessed Virgin Mary

Yep, they definitely guilty of idolatry with their worship of Mary as their god.

What I'm saying is that Catholic teachings and beliefs have been passed down orally and traditionally from Jesus, His Mother, the apostles, and their successors for over two thousand years

So you think Jesus was absent minded.... He totally forgot to put the doctrines the catholics claim He taught in His written Word? No where in scripture do we see instructions to pray to Mary or to be involved with her in any way.

Do the catholics think Jesus had dementia and just forgot to put these things in His Word???

Many non-Catholics like Mathias have misunderstandings about Catholicism

No, we hear what catholics claim and go see if it's in God's Word... and it's NOT

That's why real believers reject the false doctrines of the catholic church, and it's laughable that the rcc peoples wants us to just take their word for it and not go by what God's Word says. Pretty hilarious actually.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Dunno, but Leviticus says...

Good thing we don't live under the Levitical law anymore...

Everything I’ve said I said quoting Catholic sources. The latest example being the article published by the Diocese of Tyler. I stand by what is written in the article.

Maybe he thinks those were fake catholics who wrote that article?

Here are some more writings on Mary....

All quotes from false teachers... God's Word does NOT teach these things.

From this, you conclude the NT is insufficient

Those that have been deceived by the devil... believe the NT is not sufficient

This opens the door for satan to darken their understanding just like he did with Adam and Eve.

You'd think people would learn to simply accept what God says and reject anything others say as being false from the account of Adam and Eve in the book of Genesis which shows us how satan operates to deceive people to lead them away from being in agreement with the Lord... to being in agreement with satan.

Sadly, some folk have to learn the hard way

 

[RedFan]

So you think Jesus was absent minded.... He totally forgot to put the doctrines the catholics claim He taught in His written Word? No where in scripture do we see instructions to pray to Mary or to be involved with her in any way.

Do the catholics think Jesus had dementia and just forgot to put these things in His Word???

I'm not Catholic, and I don't pray to Mary, but I need to push back a bit here. Your notion that EVERYTHING of doctrinal significance was necessarily written into that wonderful Fourth Century compilation of writings we now call the New Testament is unfounded. Oral traditions matter. Indeed, oral traditions preceded the NT writings. I'm not saying the RCC is the infallible repository of those oral traditions, of course. But you can't discount tradition just because it isn't in the Bible -- as long as the tradition is consistent with what is written.

 

[Matthias]

Yep, they definitely guilty of idolatry with their worship of Mary as their god.

They are monotheists. The only deity they worship is the Trinity.

 

[GodsGrace]

I won't attempt to define "conscience" here, but I do think that the statement "do not accept and thus do not understand the Trinity" needs some clarification, GG. I suspect there are many who understand the Trinity tolerably well, yet reject it. I think "thus" is a stretch here.

I agree.
I stand corrected.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Your notion that EVERYTHING of doctrinal significance was necessarily written into that wonderful Fourth Century compilation of writings we now call the New Testament is unfounded.

OK, so you believe Jesus Christ.... FAILED to provide what we need to know in His Word and as such we must seek extra biblical writings to find Truth.

satan is very pleased to hear you say that... cause he's been teaching you false doctrine from those extra biblical sources you hold as being equal to God's Word.

you can't discount tradition just because it isn't in the Bible

That's what the pharisees and sadducees said too as they added FALSE DOCTRINE to God's Word

Mark 7:13
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition

Those following tradition rather than what the Lord says.... are false brethren.

They are monotheists. The only deity they worship is the Trinity.

No, they put Mary first and foremost... so they are guilty of idolatry

Jesus said idolaters will have their part in the lake that burns with fire - see Revelation 21:8

Idolaters are listed right along with murderers, and fornicators, and witches!

 

[Matthias]

No, they put Mary first and foremost...

They don’t. One of the Catholics active in this thread has been speaking about non-Catholics who don’t understand what Catholicism teaches. He‘s mistaken about me, not thee.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

They don’t.

Did you not even read the article found online published by The Catholic Diocese of Tyler???

The article specifically says that those without Mary are without Jesus.

They falsely claim that one must go thru Mary to get to Jesus and those not doing so have no salvation.

You gotta pay attention to what's going on man!

One of the Catholics active in this thread has been speaking about non-Catholics who don’t understand what Catholicism teaches

Yeah and those that attend the satanic temple complain that satan is just misunderstood too!

 

[Matthias]

Did you not even read the article found online published by The Catholic Diocese of Tyler???

LOL!

The article specifically says that those without Mary are without Jesus.

They falsely claim that one must go thru Mary to get to Jesus and those not doing so have no salvation.

You gotta pay attention to what's going on man!





Yeah and those that attend the satanic temple complain that satan is just misunderstood too!

 

[RedFan]

OK, so you believe Jesus Christ.... FAILED to provide what we need to know in His Word and as such we must seek extra biblical writings to find Truth.

Heck no! I think what is written in the NT is sufficient for our salvation and for what I take to be your use of "Truth." I'm just saying that it is not the exclusive source of doctrine, or of "Truth."

 

[Matthias]

The unitarian Creed of Judaism, and the Messiah’s own Creed. It has nothing to do with my understanding of the Trinity. That understanding comes from the Catholic Church and its Creeds.

The monotheism of Judaism isn’t the monotheism of the Catholic Church.

I’ve mentioned previously the quotation from Gregory of Nyssa concerning the Catholic Church destroying the dogma of Judaism, my dogma. He’s right. It does. Have you read his statement?

Post in thread 'This is why most believe that Jesus is a Man/Son and not God.'
This is why most believe that Jesus is a Man/Son and not God.

There you go, sheriff.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not all who believe Jesus is God do accept Mary as “the mother of God”….it is a pagan title along with Mary’s other titles. Isn’t it enough to be chosen as the mother of God’s son? Is that not enough of a privilege?

Calling Mary the “Mother of God”, isn’t about Mary as much as it is about who JESUS is.

The Council of Ephesus in 432 declared her, “Theotokos” (God-Bearer). This wasn’t to elevate Mary’s status – but to declare that Jesus is and was ALWAYS God.

As for your nonsense about “Paganism” – that lie is only as old as the 19th century. Alexander Hislop, a virulent anti-Catholic wrote The Two Babylons, having all the “research” himself. Among the things he invented in his book is that the Catholic Church is based on “Sun-god worship”. A 20th century disciple of Hislop names Ralph Woodrow was so taken by this book that he wrote one of his own, "Babylon Mystery Religion".

HOWEVER - when doing some actual research for a follow-up book, he discovered to his horror that his hero Hislop simply MADE UP all of his nonsense.

Woodrow quickly pulled his book from print and published a work debunking Hislop called "The Babylon Connection?"
He now runs a website APOLOGIZING for his first book and trying to make sure that people know about Hislop's garbage.

Apparently - YOU didn't get the memo . . .

And they have for centuries….where have you been hiding? The nature of God has been argued by scholars and theologians since time immemorial. This teaching did not enter the Church without controversy because even the CC admits it’s not scriptural. If it doesn’t come from Scripture, where did it originate? Jesus never mentioned it.

WRONG.

For some reason, the Trinity is a banned topic here.
However, to claim that is is NOT Scriptural is to be ignoorant of Scripture.

The Father is God
Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13

The Son is God
Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13

The Holy Spirit is God
John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4

 

[BreadOfLife]

Heck no! I think what is written in the NT is sufficient for our salvation and for what I take to be your use of "Truth." I'm just saying that it is not the exclusive source of doctrine, or of "Truth."

“The New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is revealed in the New”.
- St. Augustine

If you don't know the OT - you can't fully inderstand the NT . . .

 

[Lambano]

Good thing we don't live under the Levitical law anymore...

Gee, you wouldn't know it, considering how often Leviticus 18:22 is quoted on this forum.

 

[GodsGrace]

The unitarian Creed of Judaism, and the Messiah’s own Creed. It has nothing to do with my understanding of the Trinity. That understanding comes from the Catholic Church and its Creeds.

The monotheism of Judaism isn’t the monotheism of the Catholic Church.

I’ve mentioned previously the quotation from Gregory of Nyssa concerning the Catholic Church destroying the dogma of Judaism, my dogma. He’s right. It does. Have you read his statement?

Don't remember it.
Care to post?

 

[Matthias]

Don't remember it.
Care to post?

Yes. Please see my post #631 in this thread. The link will take you to the Gregory of Nyssa quote.

 

[RedFan]

“The New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is revealed in the New”.
- St. Augustine

If you don't know the OT - you can't fully inderstand the NT . . .

Have you been reading the Epistle of Barnabas? That's exactly its thesis!

 

[Lambano]

Have you been reading the Epistle of Barnabas? That's exactly its thesis!

Here's a link to the Epistle of Barnabas.

This is a cool website, for those are interested in the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

 

[RedFan]

Calling Mary the “Mother of God”, isn’t about Mary as much as it is about who JESUS is.

You're gonna have to explain that one to me! Just sounds like an honorific title . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Have you been reading the Epistle of Barnabas? That's exactly its thesis!

No - I was quoting St. Augustine.
I thought I made that perfectly clear . . .