Jesus's Resurrection and Ascension.

[Magdala]

Matthew 12:
40. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

When Jesus Himself 'prophesy' the only sign the leaders of Israel shall receive, it must happen exactly.

Only on Monday 5 pm He rose again, then how is your resurrection story on Sunday before dawn?

Jesus couldn't have risen at 5 pm on Monday as you say, because according to the Evangelists, the women disciples arrived at Jesus's sepulchre to find it empty on “the first day of the week” when it was “beginning to dawn” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1). This means that Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn on Sunday.

Jesus showed Maria Valtorta scenes from His life, including ones that took place just before, during, and after His Resurrection, and she too saw that Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn on Sunday, just as the Evangelists described. In Jesus's dictation to Maria where He commented about His death and Resurrection, He said that He died at 3 pm on Friday (which is what the Evanglists said as well), and that His body remained lifeless for thirty-eight hours, and thirty-eight hours from 3 pm on Friday is 5 am on Sunday morning (beginning to dawn on the third day).

Thursday ends and Friday begins at 6 pm (day 1)
Friday 6 pm to 3 pm: Jesus was alive
Friday 3 pm: Jesus dies
Friday 3 pm to 6 pm: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Friday ends and Saturday begins at 6 pm (day 2)
Saturday 6 pm to 6 pm: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Saturday ends and Sunday begins at 6 pm (day 3)
Sunday 6 pm to 5 am: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless
Sunday 5 am (an hour before dawn): Jesus resurrects

In Ancient Israel, a new day began and ended at sunset, and to say "three days and three nights" was a hebraic idiom, meaning a period of approximately three days, rather than a literal seventy-two hours. It's an inclusive way of counting time, where a part of a day or night counts as a whole.

 

[Fred J]

Matthew 12:
40. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Dear readers,

Jesus prophesied to the leaders of Israel and the Apostles as witnesses, therefore must come to pass in fulfillment exactly.

The fulfillment of the prophesy is Jesus must be in the tomb(heart of the earth) three days and three nights, or nights and days.

Remember the Jews who buried Jesus have become unclean, and they too had to prepare, even ceremonial cleansing, before the Passover after sunset.

So they had to prepare Jesus and bury Him way before that, let's say by 4pm or 5pm.

Take as Jesus already in the heart of the earth at 5pm Friday.

And by 6pm to 7pm the sunsets, a new day as for Israel starts at night, hence it's Friday.

Friday 6pm night - 6pm day = first day
Saturday 6pm night - 6pm day = second day
Sunday 6pm night - 6pm day = third day

If this the case, He resurrected Sunday 6pm day, evening and before sunset Monday.

But the tomb was already found empty by the ladies at roughly 7am sunrise?

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Magdala]

If this the case, He resurrected Sunday 6pm day, evening and before sunset Monday.

Initially, you said that Jesus resurrected at 5 pm on Monday, and now it's Sunday at 6 pm, but neither are correct, because according to the Evangelists, the women disciples arrived at Jesus's sepulchre to find it empty on “the first day of the week” when it was “beginning to dawn” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1). This means that Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn on Sunday.

Jesus showed Maria Valtorta scenes from His life, including ones that took place just before, during, and after His Resurrection, and she too saw that Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn on Sunday, just as the Evangelists described. In Jesus's dictation to Maria where He commented about His death and Resurrection, He said that He died at 3 pm on Friday (which is what the Evanglists said as well), and that His body remained lifeless for thirty-eight hours, and thirty-eight hours from 3 pm on Friday is 5 am on Sunday morning (beginning to dawn on the third day).

Thursday ends and Friday begins at 6 pm (day 1)
Friday 6 pm to 3 pm: Jesus was alive
Friday 3 pm: Jesus dies
Friday 3 pm to 6 pm: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Friday ends and Saturday begins at 6 pm (day 2)
Saturday 6 pm to 6 pm: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Saturday ends and Sunday begins at 6 pm (day 3)
Sunday 6 pm to 5 am: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless
Sunday 5 am (an hour before dawn): Jesus resurrects

In Ancient Israel, a new day began and ended at sunset, and to say "three days and three nights" was a hebraic idiom, meaning a period of approximately three days, rather than a literal seventy-two hours. It's an inclusive way of counting time, where a part of a day or night counts as a whole.

 

[Fred J]

Dear readers,

Jesus prophesied to the leaders of Israel and the Apostles as witnesses, therefore must come to pass in fulfillment exactly.

The fulfillment of the prophesy is Jesus must be in the tomb(heart of the earth) three days and three nights, or nights and days.

Remember the Jews who buried Jesus have become unclean, and they too had to prepare, even ceremonial cleansing, before the Passover after sunset.

So they had to prepare Jesus and bury Him way before that, let's say by 4pm or 5pm.

Take as Jesus already in the heart of the earth at 5pm Friday.

And by 6pm to 7pm the sunsets, a new day as for Israel starts at night, hence it's Friday.

Friday 6pm night - 6pm day = first day
Saturday 6pm night - 6pm day = second day
Sunday 6pm night - 6pm day = third day

If this the case, He resurrected Sunday 6pm day, evening and before sunset Monday.

But the tomb was already found empty by the ladies at roughly 7am sunrise?

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

Now this is the best i can come up with by witnessing the written account.

There was then the yearly Passover on Thursday after sunset and the Sabbath on Saturday after sunset.

Therefore when the Sabbath ends at 6pm sunset, then it's already dark and the women were unable to visit the tomb.

But when at 7am sunrise the next day Sunday, they then visited the tomb and found it empty.

Jesus was buried and in the heart of the earth by 5pm day, before 6pm sunset and Passover night.

Wednesday 5pm - 6pm Thursday = 1 hour of the day Jesus already in the heart of the earth.

Thursday 6pm - Friday 6pm = first day

Friday 6pm - Saturday 6pm = second day

Saturday 6pm - Sunday 6pm = third day

Saturday 5pm - 6pm Sunday = 1 hour less of a day Jesus already resurrected, yet completed the cycle three days and three nights.

Saturday 5pm Jesus resurrected, and He appeared to the women after Sunday 7am sunrise.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Initially, you said that Jesus resurrected at 5 pm on Monday, and now it's Sunday at 6 pm, but neither are correct, because according to the Evangelists, the women disciples arrived at Jesus's sepulchre to find it empty on “the first day of the week” when it was “beginning to dawn” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1). This means that Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn on Sunday.

Jesus showed Maria Valtorta scenes from His life, including ones that took place just before, during, and after His Resurrection, and she too saw that Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn on Sunday, just as the Evangelists described. In Jesus's dictation to Maria where He commented about His death and Resurrection, He said that He died at 3 pm on Friday (which is what the Evanglists said as well), and that His body remained lifeless for thirty-eight hours, and thirty-eight hours from 3 pm on Friday is 5 am on Sunday morning (beginning to dawn on the third day).

Thursday ends and Friday begins at 6 pm (day 1)
Friday 6 pm to 3 pm: Jesus was alive
Friday 3 pm: Jesus dies
Friday 3 pm to 6 pm: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Friday ends and Saturday begins at 6 pm (day 2)
Saturday 6 pm to 6 pm: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless

Saturday ends and Sunday begins at 6 pm (day 3)
Sunday 6 pm to 5 am: Jesus’s Body remained lifeless
Sunday 5 am (an hour before dawn): Jesus resurrects

In Ancient Israel, a new day began and ended at sunset, and to say "three days and three nights" was a hebraic idiom, meaning a period of approximately three days, rather than a literal seventy-two hours. It's an inclusive way of counting time, where a part of a day or night counts as a whole.

Doing the math, just follow my latest reply.

By the way, yours don't add up too, three days and three nights in the heart of the earth fall short.

 

[Magdala]

By the way, yours don't add up too, three days and three nights in the heart of the earth fall short.

False, because in Ancient Israel, "three days and three nights" was a hebraic idiom, meaning a period of approximately three days, rather than a literal seventy-two hours (three days and nights). It's an inclusive way of counting time, where a part of a day or night counts as a whole.

 

[Magdala]

Saturday 5pm Jesus resurrected

Jesus couldn't have resurrected at 5 pm on Saturday because, according to the Evangelists, the women disciples arrived at Jesus's sepulchre to find it empty on “the first day of the week” when it was “beginning to dawn” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1). This means that Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn on Sunday.

 

[Fred J]

Jesus couldn't have resurrected at 5 pm on Saturday because, according to the Evangelists, the women disciples arrived at Jesus's sepulchre to find it empty on “the first day of the week” when it was “beginning to dawn” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1). This means that Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn on Sunday.

She is not included in the Holy Bible New Testament canon, therefore outside account sources are not welcomed.

Again, this is Bible Study Forum, only Bible scripture are welcomed.

 

[Fred J]

Jesus couldn't have resurrected at 5 pm on Saturday because, according to the Evangelists, the women disciples arrived at Jesus's sepulchre to find it empty on “the first day of the week” when it was “beginning to dawn” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1). This means that Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn on Sunday.

Give us the Holy Bible scripture quote Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn.

 

[Magdala]

Give us the Holy Bible scripture quote Jesus resurrected as it was beginning to dawn.

The exact time Jesus resurrected isn't mentioned in any of the Evangelist accounts, but Jesus has made that detail known through Maria Valtorta, and He told her that His body remained lifeless for thirty-eight hours, and thirty-eight hours from 3 pm on Friday is 5 am on Sunday morning (beginning to dawn on Sunday), and the women disciples arrived at the tomb not long after that, because the Evangelists mentioned that they found the tomb empty on “the first day of the week” (Sunday) when it was “beginning to dawn” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1). Therefore, the accounts by the Evangelists and Maria Valtorta correspond.

 

[Fred J]

False, because in Ancient Israel, "three days and three nights" was a hebraic idiom, meaning a period of approximately three days, rather than a literal seventy-two hours (three days and nights). It's an inclusive way of counting time, where a part of a day or night counts as a whole.

Stop the 'lies', even in ancient Israel it was 12 hours in the day and 12 hours in the night.

Whether the day is longer than the night nor the night from the day, they still go by 12 hours by 12 hours.

 

[Magdala]

Stop the 'lies', even in ancient Israel it was 12 hours in the day and 12 hours in the night.

Whether the day is longer than the night nor the night from the day, they still go by 12 hours by 12 hours.

But Jesus used the Hebraic idiom "three days and three nights" when referring to how long He would be lifeless, and it means a period of approximately three days, rather than a literal seventy-two hours (three days and nights). It's an inclusive way of counting time, where a part of a day or night counts as a whole.

 

[Fred J]

The exact time Jesus resurrected isn't mentioned in any of the Evangelist accounts, but Jesus has made that detail known through Maria Valtorta, and He told her that His body remained lifeless for thirty-eight hours, and thirty-eight hours from 3 pm on Friday is 5 am on Sunday morning (beginning to dawn on Sunday), and the women disciples arrived at the tomb not long after that, because the Evangelists mentioned that they found the tomb empty on “the first day of the week” (Sunday) when it was “beginning to dawn” (Matt. 28:1, Lk. 24:1, Jn. 20:1). Therefore, the accounts by the Evangelists and Maria Valtorta correspond.

Then you're representing a heresy and a heretic, have nothing in common with you, no thank you.

 

[Rita]

She is not included in the Holy Bible New Testament canon, therefore outside account sources are not welcomed.

Again, this is Bible Study Forum, only Bible scripture are welcomed.

This is the unorthodox forum, not the Bible study forum

 

[Magdala]

Then you're representing a heresy and a heretic [...]

A "heresy" is a teaching or belief that deviates from established doctrine. Is the exact time of Jesus's resurrection an established doctrine in your denomination?

 

[Fred J]

This is the unorthodox forum, not the Bible study forum

Am very sorry then, got confused within platform, thank you.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ