Was Jerusalem "Babylon the Great" 2,000 years ago?

[NotTheRock]

Seems compelling.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Seems compelling.

Or repelling in my case

 

[Marty fox]

Seems compelling.

Yes she was

 

[tailgator]

She is now.

 

[Davy]

The idea of "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." in Revelation 17 is about ENDTIME Jerusalem in a FALLEN WORSHIP state against GOD when the coming false-Messiah shows up there, and exalts himself as GOD.

Jesus warned us about that.
Apostle Paul warned us about that.
Apostle John warned us about that.

How is it that some claiming to be Christian don't know about that?

Ezekiel 16 is where GOD Himself called Jerusalem symbolically a "harlot" when Jerusalem in past history fell away from Him into idol worship.

But the Revelation 17 symbolic "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." is for Jerusalem at the very END of this world when the coming Antichrist will show up there, and use Jerusalem as his headquarters of his beast kingdom over all nations. The very last verse of Revelation 17 identifies that MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT" harlot as a "great city", the same "great city" label used for JERUSALEM in Revelation 11 where God's future "two witnesses" will be killed.

 

[Marty fox]

The idea of "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." in Revelation 17 is about ENDTIME Jerusalem in a FALLEN WORSHIP state against GOD when the coming false-Messiah shows up there, and exalts himself as GOD.

Jesus warned us about that.
Apostle Paul warned us about that.
Apostle John warned us about that.

How is it that some claiming to be Christian don't know about that?

Ezekiel 16 is where GOD Himself called Jerusalem symbolically a "harlot" when Jerusalem in past history fell away from Him into idol worship.

But the Revelation 17 symbolic "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." is for Jerusalem at the very END of this world when the coming Antichrist will show up there, and use Jerusalem as his headquarters of his beast kingdom over all nations. The very last verse of Revelation 17 identifies that MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT" harlot as a "great city", the same "great city" label used for JERUSALEM in Revelation 11 where God's future "two witnesses" will be killed.

Sounds like the perfect description on first century Jerusalem

 

[tailgator]

The idea of "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." in Revelation 17 is about ENDTIME Jerusalem in a FALLEN WORSHIP state against GOD when the coming false-Messiah shows up there, and exalts himself as GOD.

Jesus warned us about that.
Apostle Paul warned us about that.
Apostle John warned us about that.

How is it that some claiming to be Christian don't know about that?

Ezekiel 16 is where GOD Himself called Jerusalem symbolically a "harlot" when Jerusalem in past history fell away from Him into idol worship.

But the Revelation 17 symbolic "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." is for Jerusalem at the very END of this world when the coming Antichrist will show up there, and use Jerusalem as his headquarters of his beast kingdom over all nations. The very last verse of Revelation 17 identifies that MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT" harlot as a "great city", the same "great city" label used for JERUSALEM in Revelation 11 where God's future "two witnesses" will be killed.

Apostate Israel already has what it wants.
Soon as the fatal wound was healed,they followed the beast from all nations ,tongues and peoples.They worship their beast already .

Soon as Trump gives the beast a host,apostate Israel will receive the mark of the beast.

 

[tailgator]

Revelation 17
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.


Revelation 13
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.


They are not waiting for someone to follow .

 

[quietthinker]

Was Jerusalem "Babylon the Great" 2,000 years ago?​

The metaphor 'Babylon the Great' encompasses ideas of self sufficiency, of overt rebellion, of exclusivity, of pride, of misrepresentation etc. It can be understood as general and specific.

On a global scale it is metaphor for, dare I use the term (again metaphor) 'Gog and Magog' ie, the hordes enabling, supporting and acting out of the principles of selfishness (self glorification) most often concealed under a cloak of piety.

 

[tailgator]

For more than a year now,you have witnessed the king of Babylon smiting the Philistines (people who dwell in Gaza)with his rod.

This is an end time prophecy concerning the Philistines celebrating after the fall of the king of babylon,then their destruction and the establishment of the kingdom of Zion.


Isaiah 14
29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.

31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

 

[ewq1938]

Was Jerusalem "Babylon the Great" 2,000 years ago?​

No. Babylon of Rev is a metaphor for deceived people who worship a false God during the trib. Babylon is NOT a literal city. Babylon is also not a literal woman.

Babylon means confusion in the Greek. It is religious confusion as to whom is God and is not God.

 

[tailgator]

Babylon will be destroyed on the day of the Lord.
The Medes(Iranians)will be ransacking their houses and raping their women.

Isaiah 13
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isaiah 13
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.



Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

 

[quietthinker]

The metaphor 'Babylon the Great' encompasses ideas of self sufficiency, of overt rebellion, of exclusivity, of pride, of misrepresentation etc. It can be understood as general and specific.

Conversely, 'Jerusalem' is also used as literal and metaphor. Discerning where the applications apply is no different to discerning what 666 is referencing.

Discernment only gets traction when God's primary objective is on the radar.

 

[Davy]

Sounds like the perfect description on first century Jerusalem

It's not though, Rev.17 is about the LAST SIEGE of Jerusalem for this world, by the devil himself. It will be the 28th siege of Jerusalem's history.

So just focus on 1st century Jerusalem is actually a show of being misinformed about the history of Jerusalem and those previous 27 times that false ones have sieged and taken it.

 

[Davy]

A WARNING:

The devil does not want us to understand God's Word there in Revelation 11:8 and Revelation 17 about JERUSALEM as that "great city" and "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." for the coming "great tribulation" time at the end of this world.

SOME... doctrines of men today pushed in some so-called Christian churches try to push a 'religious movement' philosophy only... out of that "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." harlot metaphor, when that symbolic "woman" being described in God's Word of Revelation 17 is most definitely about the city of JERUSALEM for the end of this world.

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV


Those deceived churches are not teaching how the above Bible Scripture simply reveals that JERUSALEM is that "great city" at the end where that "beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit" shall ascend from to kill God's "two witnesses" who will appear in JERUSALEM at the end of this world.

What those churches instead are teaching about that Babylon Harlot woman is that it represents only a 'religious movement' made up of the deceived and wicked for the end. It will be true that end time Jerusalem will be made up of deceived and wicked, and will bow to the Antichrist there.

But they use philosophy about the history of ancient Babylon to try and point... as far away as possible from today's city of JERUSALEM, because the unbelieving Jews today think that God is restoring the kingdom of Israel in today's middle east, when He is not, because He showed in His Word a FALSE-MESSIAH is to show up in today's JERUSALEM and play GOD, and that... will happen PRIOR to our Lord Jesus Christ's future coming to destroy that false one.

So brethren in Christ Jesus should always be aware of that philosophical attempt to replace the true meaning of that Rev.17 Babylon Harlot being the "great city" JERUSALEM for the end, with a bunch of philosophical mumbo-jumbo.

 

[Davidpt]

Yes she was

If that's true, and the fact this same Jerusalem is back on the map again, so to speak, how then would that make the following true?

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all .


I'm pretty certain I grasp what--and shall be found no more at all--means. But do you grasp what that means as well? I have my doubts if you think this was meaning Jerusalem 2000 years ago. Maybe animal sacrificing hasn't resumed, but they are certainly not Christ followers in that region today, at least not yet anyway. Nor were many of them Christ followers 2000 years ago. And this verse says shall be found no more at all. That can only mean one thing, and that is, exactly what it says. Nothing cryptic about it. Clearly then, Revelation 18:21 hasn't been fulfilled yet because once it is fulfilled, whatever great Babylon represents , it shall be found no more at all. as in , as if it had never existed. It will be gone for forever to never be found again, in any sense.

 

[ewq1938]

If that's true, and the fact this same Jerusalem is back on the map again, so to speak, how then would that make the following true?

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all .


I'm pretty certain I grasp what--and shall be found no more at all--means. But do you grasp what that means as well? I have my doubts if you think this was meaning Jerusalem 2000 years ago. Maybe animal sacrificing hasn't resumed, but they are certainly not Christ followers in that region today, at least not yet anyway. Nor were many of them Christ followers 2000 years ago. And this verse says shall be found no more at all. That can only mean one thing, and that is, exactly what it says. Nothing cryptic about it.

In other words, old Jerusalem exists after Babylon is said to be destroyed. That couldn't happen if Jerusalem was Babylon.

 

[Davidpt]

In other words, old Jerusalem exists after Babylon is said to be destroyed. That couldn't happen if Jerusalem was Babylon.

Exactly. It would be a contradiction in that case the fact old Jerusalem can still be found even in our day and age.

 

[Davy]

In other words, old Jerusalem exists after Babylon is said to be destroyed. That couldn't happen if Jerusalem was Babylon.

Of course God's Word is NOT inferring that JERUSALEM at the end of this world is LITERALLY the old city of Babylon. That's a silly idea. God's Word is using ancient Babylon as SYMBOLIC for end time JERUSALEM, because of false idol worship with the false-Messiah being setup there at the end of this world.

Even in Revelation 11:8 about the dead bodies of God's "two witnesses" in JERUSALEM for the end, God's Word is using Sodom and Egypt as SYMBOLIC TITLES to point to JERUSALEM at that time when the beast king will come to reign there at the end of this world.

Rev 11:8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

How can brethren in Christ not understand how God's Word uses SYMBOLS and METAPHORS to point to LITERAL things?

(Now in case brethren did not know, the ancient area of Sumer-Babylon was the 1st place on earth where IDOL worship sprang up. Sargon I, the Sumerian's first king, who was of Semtic origin, and who's death mask of his face still resides in the British Museum, started the first IDOL BAAL worship there, per the Babylonian cuneiform clay tablets. That Baal worship then migrated to other nations, under new names. Yet Babylon represents the original false worship offspring.)

 

[Davidpt]

In other words, old Jerusalem exists after Babylon is said to be destroyed. That couldn't happen if Jerusalem was Babylon.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.


Something else to factor in here is this verse. Is any of this still true today? If any of it is, Babylon the great obviously still exists since I'm pretty certain the martyring of saints hasn't ceased in the earth as of yet. Not to mention, the 42 month reign of the beast still lies ahead of us. That will be involving plenty of shed blood of saints, no doubt. And it's ludicrous to think that none of this has anything to do with Babylon the great. Especially based on what Revelation 18:24 records. It has everyone covered when it says this---and of all that were slain upon the earth.