Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

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As shown extensively on page 84 of this thread, "Free Moral Agency" was not the cause of Adam eating of the tree forbidden for food as shown in this post, so Adam did not free will choose away from God, and Adam certainly did not choose toward God; THEREFORE, THE FREE-WILLIAN PHILOSOPHERS DECEIVE WHEN THEY SAY THAT MAN CAN CHOOSE TOWARDS GOD BASED UPON ADAM.

God Declares The Cause And Effect For Adam Eating Of The Forbidden Tree​

After Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6), to Adam, God said "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return." (Genesis 3:17-19)

The word "because" inherently indicates cause in (Genesis 3:17), and the word "because" is the first word that God said to Adam in Genesis 3:17-19.

God declares the cause as being that Adam listened to the voice of his wife.

God LITERALLY stated that the CAUSE was Adam LISTENED to Adam's wife's voice; moveover, free will choice is NOT included as a CAUSE; therefore, the Apostle Paul's conveyance that Adam "not willingly" ate of the tree (Romans 8:20) is in accord with the recorded Word of God in Genesis 3:17 (This post above examines Paul's writing in Romans 8:20-22 as related to the creation account in Genesis chapters 1 to 5).

God declares the effect as being that the ground would be cursed because of Adam as well as Adam would return to dust.

ANY FREE-WILLIAN WHO CONVEYS THAT ADAM USED A "FREE-WILL" TO EAT OF THE TREE FORBIDDEN AS FOOD ADULTERATES THE WORD OF GOD INTO "BECAUSE YOU HAVE FREE-WILL LISTENED TO THE VOICE OF YOUR WIFE, AND HAVE FREE-WILL EATEN FROM THE TREE ABOUT WHICH I COMMANDED YOU, SAYING, ‘YOU SHALL NOT EAT FROM IT’" (THE WORD OF FREE-WILLIAN PHILOSOPHERS), SO SUCH SIN OF DISBELIEF IN GOD IS THE TRADITIONS OF MAN THAT LEADS TO WORSHIP IN VAIN (MATTHEW 15:9),

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Gilligan]

All caps provides emphasis. I joyfully shout

Yeah. I like i'm really impressed when OSAS believers talk about celebrating their grace.

that Lord Jesus alone saves man from the wrath of God - that King Jesus exclusively saves me from the punishment for sin.

The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Jesus spoke of lying right there, and look here, you lied about Psalm 58:3 - as recorded in this post with your closing paragraph, you wickedly adulterate "The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray from birth" (Psalm 58:3) into your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19) of

I've never heard a baby from the womb say anything, much less lie. They can cry when whacked on the bottom.

Those who are born to the wicked in a nation of wicked, are born without hope of not being wicked as everyone else. It's why God had the children of Israel destroy all the children and babes of some people.

It was mercy to the babes, before they become defiled by their wicked parents and people.

Those born to the good, have hope of doing good in life.

I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

"The wicked are not estranged from the womb; these who speak lies do not go astray from birth" (the word of Gilligan) which is the traditions of man that leads to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9), so you lied about Psalm 58:3.

"The wicked are not estranged from the womb; these who speak lies do not go astray from birth"

I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

Tell me. Which do you teach to your little children? That they are born devils, or of Christ?

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

 

[Gilligan]

The Christ of us Christians says "No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18), so Adam was not good.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

If you rank yourself among the fools that say there is no God, and you do no good, then all your words of Jesus Christ are obviously lip service only.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Sin is crime against God, that is, missing the mark.

True. And no ungodly sinner is forgiven nor saved by God from their ungodly sinning.

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.


For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Adam did not sin prior to eating of forbidden as food because Adam had one commandment as recorded in "Of every tree of the garden eating thou dost eat; and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it — dying thou dost die" (Genesis 2:16-17).

And so you agree, God does not create any man to sin, but men choose to sin.

Good is a thing, a noun for communication purposes.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Adam was not GOOD. Truly, Adam was EVIL prior to eating of the tree forbidden as food as evidenced by Adam's arm moving the tree forbidden for food toward Adam's mouth in order for Adam to eat.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Adam was evil before Adam sinned.

He was evil when he did evil. Just like you.

As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked.

You illegitimately mix "sin", a verb, and "evil", a noun, into a single thing. Sin is the output of evil.

As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: but mine hand shall not be upon thee.

Man is evil,

You certainly are. Like all OSAS believers, you gush about it constantly. Like the Mafia, you can't wait to brag about how evil you are.

and sin manifests from evil man (see "every man" in the passage) as proclaimed in "every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" (James 1:14-15).

True. Once a person allows lust into their heart, like Lucifer did, they become devils like Lucifer became.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:

That's why Christian saints keep their hearts pure and minds clean after being forgiven by Jesus, rather than playing the hypocrites that continue sinning 'by grace'.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

so Adam was evil. Although Adam did not sin for a season, eventually evil Adam did sin.

Correct. He was righteous with the Lord doing righteousness and not sinning against His commandment for a season.

You used "Sophistry" in the negative sense in reference to the quotation of "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (Genesis 1:31), and that is sin.

I've never heard anyone call quoting Scripture, sophistry. Until now.

It is written "God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good" (Genesis 1:21 - notice "it" is singular meaning creation, not a plural "they" as in specific creatures in the waters), so God did not specify any constituents of creation as being inherently individually good therein;

Now that's sophistry.

It’s always good when God creates anything, because He creates all things good.

And God saw the light, that it was good.

Whether light, whales, or men, God sees that it is good when He creates them.

therefore, it is certainly good in reference to God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for manki.nd before the foundation of the world.

God isn't saving whales. Not porcupines.

An inherently good Adam would have assuredly and absolutely excluded eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

He did, for a season.

I see now what you do with your doctrine: You are justifying your continued sinning, by saying God made you that way.

BECAUSE an inherently good Adam would have acted in the good way of obedience to God's command (Genesis 2:16-17)

As he did for a season. Just because you cannot cease from sinning, there's no justification for blaming God for it,

Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Nor for accusing everyone else of being like you.

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

BEHOLD that God saw the whole package, the complete creation, the "all" that He had made, that it was very good

Correct. From the light, to whales, to man, all things were very good.

BUT God did not specify how the aggregate (all) that He had made was very good therein

Sophistry again.

AND God creating "all that He had made" for God in Jesus Christ to come to earth to save evil man is very good

True. That man may be born again good, as at the first as good newborn babes by Christ.

SO with certainty, God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind before the foundation of the world is very good

IN other words, if Adam was inherently good, then he could not have eaten from the tree the knowledge of good and evil

BECAUSE it would have been impossible for an inherently good Adam to disobey God's command of not eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

SINCE an inherently good Adam would have been the embodiment of obedience of God's command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

AND an inherently good Adam would have unquestionably refrained from eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil without him having the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:22)

THEREFORE an inherently good Adam would have done the opposite of good by eating of the tree the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 3:6)

SO an inherently good Adam would have unavoidably avoided eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

BUT there is none righteous, not one (Psalm 143:2, Romans 3:10)

AND there is none who does good, there is not even one (Psalm 53:3, Romans 3:12)

SO there was no inherently good Adam.

Continued to next post

Oft repeated sophistry.

 

[Gilligan]

Continued from prior post



You wrote "Your own continued sinning", yet you fail to point at a single sin for me.

You're the one boasting about it in your doctrine of all men are evil.

Speak for yourself.

It is written "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (Genesis 1:31), but, based upon your quoted writings, you adulterate it into it is written "God saw all that He had made, and behold, individually Adam was inherently very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (the word of Gilligan),

Those aren't my words, but I'll take them. And I'll throw in for good measure, the light, dry land, grass, whales, and creeping things.

But only angels and men are made with free will to do good or evil.

All other creation of God is good and only does what God created them to do, whether stars or termites.

Of the new Jerusalem, the Apostle John wrote "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27) - notice that no one who practices lying gets in, and a human adding to scripture is the human lying.

True. And those doing such things are the unclean. Those not doing such things are the clean written in the Lamb's book of life.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Your free will assertion is referring to man attempting to override God's thoughts with man's thoughts, and that is a grievous sin.

The clean in Christ Jesus keep themselves clean, by overriding and casting down Satan's vain imaginations and thoughts for sin.

Such as your doctrine.

 

[Kermos]

Yeah. I like i'm really impressed when OSAS believers talk about celebrating their grace.

"HE WHO BOASTS IS TO BOAST IN THE LORD" (2 CORINTHIANS 10:17).

I joyfully shout that Lord Jesus alone saves man from the wrath of God - that King Jesus exclusively saves me from the punishment for sin. I BOAST IN THE LORD JESUS!

You free-willians BOAST in the work of yourselves - your "I chose Jesus" in your evil shout of pride against "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation) as well as "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this thus including all believers in all time) as well as"No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18)!

The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Interesting quotations you have there Gilligan.

The ungodly claim to choose Jesus.

Great is my God, Jesus Christ NEVER lets go of us, His own, for my Savior says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10:27-30). PRAISE JESUS! HALLELUJAH! ALL GLORY AND PRAISE AND HONOR TO MY KING! I am nothing without you, Lord Jesus.

I've never heard a baby from the womb say anything, much less lie. They can cry when whacked on the bottom.

Your quoted words are devilishly worthless because you are trying desperately to nullify King David's words "The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray from birth" (Psalm 58:3).

Such a person that David writes of could speak a lie at 5 years old and hence go astray from birth ACCORDING TO DAVID, yet your thoughts revealed in your writings deny the Holy Writ!

Those who are born to the wicked in a nation of wicked, are born without hope of not being wicked as everyone else. It's why God had the children of Israel destroy all the children and babes of some people.

Your quoted words are devilishly worthless because you are trying desperately to nullify King David's words "The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray from birth" (Psalm 58:3).

You adulterate Psalmist's words recorded in Psalm 58:3 into "Those who are born to the wicked in a nation of wicked, are born without hope of not being wicked as everyone else" (the deceptive and depraved word of Gilligan nullifying Psalm 58:3 and Mark 10:18 in Gilligan's self).

It was mercy to the babes, before they become defiled by their wicked parents and people.

God is the One who geants mercy.

Those born to the good, have hope of doing good in life.

Look at you call Jesus a deceiver because Jesus says as"No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18)!

I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

"The wicked are not estranged from the womb; these who speak lies do not go astray from birth"

I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.

Tell me. Which do you teach to your little children? That they are born devils, or of Christ?

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

The child of wrath, the first state of being for every mere mortal, may think he or she chooses Jesus, but such a child of wrath fails because such an unconverted person cannot righteously perceive the Good God for the Word of God is this "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” (John 3:4).

Jesus answered "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:5-8); THEREFORE, GOD ALONE CONVERTS A CHILD OF WRATH INTO A CHILD OF GOD.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Kermos]

Words defined are only allowed by the reformed religion.

Word definitions describe concepts that are fundamental to communication. Now, it appears your self-will (2 Peter 2:9-10) argues against God given communication!

Fine, God made Judas Iscariot to go against God and burn in hell.

Man Opening The Door To Salvation - The Free-willian Philosophy Explained​

Free-willians think a person achieves salvation by doing the work of choosing Jesus, yet free-willians simultaneously think another person goes to hell in the absence of doing the work of choosing Jesus.

THEREFORE, a guy that chose Jesus saves the guy himself, yet a gal that did not choose Jesus condemns the gal herself.

SO, the guy saved himself because without his choosing of Jesus, then he'd be just like that gal.

POINTEDLY, the guy's salvation hinges solely on the guy's choosing Jesus because, in contrast to being saved, the guy would be hell-bound if that hinge of choosing Jesus did not swing open by the guy's power.

The "hinge" of the door mentioned above is based on free will philosophy.

Consider a third individual, who never heard the Gospel of Christ, such a person is not going to be with Christ in His Kingdom - even under free-willian philosophy.

In this sample population, the majority do not enter Heaven, yet the entire population of people are created by God.

Free-willians preach that their god atones for the sins of every man everywhere in all time after the cross; in other words, all people are redeemed by the god that free-willians preach, yet that gal goes to Hell who rejected Jesus; therefore, the god of free-willians failed to save the gal for whom the son of the god of the free-willians died to save.

The blood at the cross also established a spot in Heaven for the third individual who never heard the Gospel, but that spot will remain vacant for all eternity - the god of the free-willians was unable to keep the spot occupied.

The god of free-willian philosophy is weak, incapable, ineffectual, a liar, and not YHWH God.

The free-willian god is non-omniscient, non-omnipresent, and non-omnipotent.

That is no god at all which the free-willians create in their imagination, just a tradition of men that leads to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), God saves every single individual for whom Jesus died on the cross to redeem from the wrath of God; in other words, God does not miss saving a single one of God's chosen persons for whom Jesus made atonement on the cross.

Lord Jesus says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10:27-30).

We Christians hear the Master say "it is finished" (John 19:30), and in that moment we receive the love of God (John 3:16) bestowing undeserved forgiveness upon us wretched God-hating monsters (Ephesians 2:1-4) - that the Son sacrificed Himself to reconcile the world to Himself (2 Corinthians 5:19) for the glory of God (John 17:4-5).

We believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent, and we believe Lord Jesus' sayings that belief is the blessed work of God in us (John 6:29) - it is more than an awakening - it is an enlivening - it is being born again (John 3:3-8) - it is getting the new heart that God wondrously implants in us (Ezekiel 36:26).

We Christians know that God's merciful salvation hinges on Christ alone for the glory of God alone, and there is nothing we can do nor say - not even a human choice approving of Jesus in order to obtain saving grace - nothing we say or do earns the unearnable love of God. We believe that Being saved from the wrath of God is exclusively God choosing us, not us choosing God (John 15:16, John 15:19).

For Christians, it is "believing"; in contrast, for the guy saying "I chose to believe in Jesus", it is "choosing".

For us Christians, it all hinges on Christ alone, yet for the free-willians saying "I chose to believe in Jesus", it all hinges on the a free-willian's choice.

The free will philosophy is proven to be deception because "Behold, His servants, He does not trust" (Job 4:18), so God does not trust a person who chooses Jesus; therefore, a free-willian who says "I chose Jesus" is bound for hell.

Behold, the psalmist says he is entirely dependent upon the Almighty!

I will extol You, O YHWH, for You have lifted me up,
And have not let my enemies rejoice over me.
O YHWH my God,
I cried to You for help, and You healed me.
O YHWH, You have brought up my soul from Sheol;
You have kept me alive, that I would not go down to the pit.
(Psalm 30:1-3)

That means God may someday do the same to you.

Great is my God, Jesus Christ NEVER lets go of us, His own, for my Savior says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10:27-30). PRAISE JESUS! HALLELUJAH! ALL GLORY AND PRAISE AND HONOR TO MY KING! I am nothing without you, Lord Jesus.

My God never lets go of me, through the calm and through the storm, Jesus my Lord never lets go!

You have no free will to be saved or lost.

Praise Jesus for the assurance of being saved from the wrath of God which He alone delivers the saints!

Nobody has a free-will just as the following shows that your self-willed teachings (2 Peter 2:9-10) utterly fail and lead to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

Free will: an autonomous will, an isolated willpower, detached volition, independent moral agency, Free Moral Agency.

A will exists not in a vacuum; in other words, a will must be part of a host.

Respecting an unsaved person - the default first condition of every person, since a host person is required to host a will, then the person's will is part of the person's self, so the person's will is self-will because the person'a will is attached to the self-same person; on the other hand, the person's will is not free floating detached from the person, so the person's will is not free-will.

The Apostle proclaims a person's will is either one of but not both of:

1. a person's will is controlled by God with "God having purified your souls in the obedience of the Truth through the Spirit" (1 Peter 1:21-22) and "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).
2. a person's will is controlled by man with "the Lord knows how" "to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

A person's will is dependent upon God (Christimage-will (bond-will), Romans 8:29), or a person's will is dependent upon man (self-will). No other will exists for a person; therefore, free-will is an illusion as conveyed by the Apostle Paul with "I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will" (Philemon 1:14).

While the unrighteous unbelievers daringly revel in their own glory founded in their self-willed "I chose Jesus" (2 Peter 2:9-10), we righteousness of God in Christ believers worship the Glorious One (2 Corinthians 5:21) who sovereignly chose us (John 15:16, John 15:19).

Thus says Adonai YHWH (Lord GOD) "I am YHWH; that is my name; my glory I give to no other" (Isaiah 42:8), yet the free-willians try to steal God's exclusive glory in the salvation of man.

Your religion has no assurance of salvation.

The Christ's declaration to us Christians is very clear "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation) as well as "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this thus including all believers in all time); therefore, Christ assures us Christians that the Lord God Almighty bears us out of this world and into His glorious Kingdom (John 10:27-30)!

I love Jesus Christ, and by His awesome power I keep His words "No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18), so we Christians are entirely dependent upon our King, Savior, and Friend, Lord Jesus Christ, but the fool defies Jesus Christ by saying "I am good enough to choose Jesus". Lord Jesus says "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him" (John 14:23).

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Gilligan]

"HE WHO BOASTS IS TO BOAST IN THE LORD" (2 CORINTHIANS 10:17).

I joyfully shout that Lord Jesus alone saves man from the wrath of God - that King Jesus exclusively saves me from the punishment for sin. I BOAST IN THE LORD JESUS!

Ceeeeeelebrate that grace, c'mon!!!

You free-willians

I prefer Orwellian.

The ungodly claim to choose Jesus.

Those doing ungodliness are the ungodly.

Those ungodly claiming to know Jesus are hypocrites.

Great is my God, Jesus Christ NEVER lets go of us,

Sure he does. Every time you go off to do some more sinning with Satan. He doesn't join you in it, nor does he put handcuffs on you to drag you by His side.

Such a person that David writes of could speak a lie at 5 years old

So, you can't quite say babies are born little devil's of Satan, and are made by Jesus to be that way.

Good for you. I really don't believe any adults believing that garbage actually teaches it, especially not to little children.

And if they do, then they'd be banned from getting within a mile of my kids. And if I have rule over an assembly, they would be allowed to say anything in it.

The child of wrath, the first state of being for every mere mortal,

You're phony humility does not cover your accusation against Jesus Christ.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

may think he or she chooses Jesus, but such a child of wrath fails because such an unconverted person cannot righteously perceive the Good God for the Word of God is this "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” (John 3:4).

Jesus answered "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:5-8); THEREFORE, GOD ALONE CONVERTS A CHILD OF WRATH INTO A CHILD OF GOD.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

Our time is about up, unless you have something new to offer.

 

[Kermos]

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Before returning to Genesis 1:31, in which the post that you replied to shows specific instances of you evilly using the word "Sophistry" as a curse word against the Word of God, let us review that which you unceremoniously deleted from your reply.

That's because they read about it from Mohammed.

But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

See, you left out some of your writings which exemplifies your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) pride, Gilligan, because, if you were humble, then you would have been apologetic for the error you preached as brought to your attention in the post to which you replied.

Let me explain based upon our interaction of a one who had not heard the Gospel of Christ.

You inquired "The old, 'what about them never heard?' Ever met one?".

To wit, I replied "Far down in your post, you asked if I have ever met anyone who had not heard the Gospel of Christ, and to answer, yes. For example, a muslim named Hamid.".

Then you "It's not possible for any Mulsim reading the Koran, to not have heard of Jesus Christ the Son of God. Muhammed teaches Jesus as a great prophet, and condemns anyone for believing He is the Son of God.".

Then I "You said it yourself, the Quran does not teach the Gospel of Christ.".

Instead of ceasing with that, you persist "That's because they read about it from Mohammed.".

Now, it is abundantly clear that Hamid did not hear the Gospel of Christ, but you fight just to fight. You failed to write something like "Oh, OK". You fight the Truth (John 14:6) tooth and nail with every fiber of you using your self-will (2 Peter 2:9-10) as shown in the following.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

"God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (Genesis 1:31) harmonizes perfectly with "No one is good except God alone" (the Word of God, Mark 10:18) because in "it was very good" the word "it" is grammatically a third person singular thus referring to the entirety of creation being constructed well (good) on course with God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind before the foundation of the world is good (Ephesians 1:1-14, Ephesians 2:13), yet "it" is not third person plural as in "they" of which a third person plural is required in order to refer to the individually specific constituents such as Adam or specific beasts or specific Angels or a specific tree or the Devil the Serpent, and the Word of God specifically excludes Adam from being good with "No one is good except God alone" (the Word of God, Mark 10:18), so the spirit of antichrist preaches that Adam was good.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

If you rank yourself among the fools that say there is no God, and you do no good, then all your words of Jesus Christ are obviously lip service only.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.


True. And no ungodly sinner is forgiven nor saved by God from their ungodly sinning.

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.


For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.



Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

He was evil when he did evil. Just like you.

As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked.

As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: but mine hand shall not be upon thee.

You boast in your self-assigned self-generated good/righteousness.

I boast in my God generating good/righteousness in me by Christ because my loving God says "he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21).

Lord Christ says "I DID NOT COME TO CALL THE RIGHTEOUS, BUT SINNERS." (Matthew 9:13), so you have a massive everlasting damnation problem in your so-called self-generated good/righteousness.

Let's just look at how the Apostle John talks about good and righteousness.

"Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. The one who does good is of God; the one who does evil has not seen God" (3 John 1:11), so the good in us Christians is "of God" in us; furthermore, we Christians doing good is a fruit of God's Holy Spirit indwelling us born of God Christians for it is written "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness" (Galatians 5:22); therefore, God causes persons to be good as well as God causes persons to do good because such persons are "of God" (3 John 1:11), that is, "born of God" as in "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God" (1 John 3:9-10). You do not practice righteousness in that you persistently adulterate Genesis 1:31 into "God saw all that He had made, and behold, Adam was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (the word of Gilligan), and your heart adulterates Mark 10:18 thusly "Everyone is good" (the word of Gilligan) and your word is the complete opposite of the Word of God which is truly "No one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18).

And so you agree, God does not create any man to sin, but men choose to sin.

Correct. He was righteous with the Lord doing righteousness and not sinning against His commandment for a season.

He did, for a season.

The writings of this section are a cohesive unit, so this repairs that which you wickedly broke context.

The Christ of us Christians says "No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18), so Adam was not good.

Sin is crime against God, that is, missing the mark.

Adam was evil while he did not sin prior to eating of the tree forbidden as food because Adam had one commandment as recorded in "Of every tree of the garden eating thou dost eat; and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it — dying thou dost die" (Genesis 2:16-17).

Just because Adam did not sin prior to eating of the tree forbidden as food, that does not make Adam good prior to eating of the tree forbidden as food, and this is certain because of Christ's sayings No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18).

Sin is distinguishable from good.

Sin is distinguishable from evil.

Sin is an action, a verb for communication purposes.

Good is a thing, a noun for communication purposes.

Evil is a thing, a noun for communication purposes.

Adam was not GOOD. Truly, Adam was EVIL prior to eating of the tree forbidden as food as evidenced by Adam's arm moving the tree forbidden for food toward Adam's mouth in order for Adam to eat.

Adam was evil before Adam sinned.

You certainly are. Like all OSAS believers, you gush about it constantly. Like the Mafia, you can't wait to brag about how evil you are.

The fool nullifies the Word of God in his heart by thinking that a saved person can be snatched out of the hand of God, yet the loving Word of God says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10:27-30); therefore, the Lord Jesus has taken me in His Loving Hand, and I am securely held by the One True God and Savior forevermore. ALL PRAISE AND GLORY AND HONOR TO THE LORD JESUS! YOU DO NOT HEAR HIS VOICE BECAUSE YOU CONVEY THAT HIS HAND IS WEAK!

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[Kermos]

Continued from post 1,688

True. Once a person allows lust into their heart, like Lucifer did, they become devils like Lucifer became.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:

That's why Christian saints keep their hearts pure and minds clean after being forgiven by Jesus, rather than playing the hypocrites that continue sinning 'by grace'.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

John says of us Christians "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God" (1 John 3:9-10), and Lord Jesus says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10:27-30); moreover, we Christians doing any good is exclusively fruit of God in us because Lord Jesus says "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5); therefore, your confusion is evident.

I've never heard anyone call quoting Scripture, sophistry. Until now.

Now that's sophistry.

Sophistry again.

You evilly called scripture "Sophistry" as a curse word when you used "Sophistry" in the negative sense in reference to the quotation of "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day" (Genesis 1:31), and that is sin, just follow the thread links back.

It’s always good when God creates anything, because He creates all things good.

God is good all the time for thus says the Word of God "No one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18).

With God being good all the time, the Word of God also says "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YHWH do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7), yet you think the opposite Way (John 14:6) of God again.

And God saw the light, that it was good.

Whether light, whales, or men, God sees that it is good when He creates them.

The good God constructs everything well, in fact, God even creates evil people for it is written "YHWH has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil" (Proverbs 16:4), yet there you think the opposite Way (John 14:6) of God again.

God isn't saving whales. Not porcupines.

Correct. From the light, to whales, to man, all things were very good.

Now, Gilligan, the whales aren't exempt from being made by God to be inherently evil in a well made creation, of which is not the particular point, but YOU brought up the whales as support for you evil free-willian philosophy, so let me remind you that I wrote mankind not whalekind in:

It is written "God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good" (Genesis 1:21 - notice "it" is singular meaning creation, not a plural "they" as in specific creatures in the waters), so God did not specify any constituents of creation as being inherently individually good therein; therefore, it is certainly good in reference to God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind before the foundation of the world.
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The Light, Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1-5), is inherently good for Jesus is God!

I see now what you do with your doctrine: You are justifying your continued sinning, by saying God made you that way.

As he did for a season. Just because you cannot cease from sinning, there's no justification for blaming God for it,

Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

My loving God removed the old evil me and birthed the new good me in Christ (John 3:3-8, 2 Corinthians 5:17). YOU BLINDLY THROW YOUR WICKED THOUGHTS AROUND.

True. That man may be born again good, as at the first as good newborn babes by Christ.

You wrote "as at the first as good newborn babes" in the context of earthly birth, as well as born again in Christ, but it is you including the earthly birth where you revile King Jesus who says "No one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18).

The child of wrath, the first state of being for every mere mortal, may think he or she chooses Jesus, but such a child of the devil (1 John 3:9-10) fails because such an unconverted person cannot righteously perceive the Good God for the Word of God is this "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” (John 3:4).

Jesus answered "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:5-8); THEREFORE, GOD ALONE CONVERTS A CHILD OF WRATH INTO A CHILD OF GOD.

Nor for accusing everyone else of being like you.

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Take a look at the prior section and see your reviling words, and now read "by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be damned" (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 12:37) - the Good Word of God justifies meanwhile the evil traditions of men damns.

Oft repeated sophistry.

You curse the Word of God by you repeating that the Word of God is "sophistry" in your lawless practice (Matthew 7:21-23) of your free-willian tradition of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9). The Word of God is true, so anything that you wrote that you think you "challenged" is a lie, and here is the Word of God of which I write:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage), yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (the word of Gilligan).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God chooses people unto salvation, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you chose me to get yourself out of the world and into the Kingdom of God" (the word of Gilligan) - compare your words to the Lord Jesus explaining that without the intervention of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, you cannot even perceive the Kingdom of God righteously, much less King Jesus, with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "What I say to you I say to you and only you" (the word of Gilligan).

Christians are in awe of the works of God and the Word of God. I am in awe of the works of God and the Word of God.

Christians do not adulterate the Word of God. You adulterate the Word of God into some strange beast such that it is no longer the Word of God but truly the word of Gilligan Free-willian philosophy.

You add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Of the new Jerusalem, the Apostle John wrote "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27) - notice that no one who practices lying gets in, and a human adding to scripture is the human lying.

Your free will assertion is referring to man attempting to override God's thoughts with man's thoughts, and that is a grievous sin.

 

[Kermos]

Was that an exercise of free will, or did God program Adam to listen to Eve? Do you see how absurd your reasoning is becoming?

Well, since you repeated your questions which were addressed in the post to which you replied, then I interpret that you embed your heart's thoughts into your questions which I now treat your implicit statements.

As I mentioned, I am focused on the scriptural fact that man cannot free-will choose toward God, and in this instance of Adam, it is clearly evident that Adam chose not, for there is no mention of "choose" nor it's conjugates; in fact, Adam's action was away from or against God.

Thus says the LORD God "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’" (Genesis 3:17).

Your heart adulterates this Word of God into "Because you have free-will listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’" (the word of Enoch111).

Additionally, your thoughts that you express above opposes Apostolic testimony for Paul clearly proclaims no will of Adam participated in his eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil because the Apostle conveyed that Adam “not willingly” subjected creation to futility by eating of the tree forbidden for eating since Paul included all time prior to Paul’s birth by his writing “until now” (Romans 8:20-22).

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Gilligan]

because in "it was very good" the word "it" is grammatically a third person singular thus referring to the entirety of creation being constructed well (good)

Man in the garden at that beginning, is simply the same as a whale in the sea: It is by obedience to natural law only. But afterward, does God put His salvation plan into effect, by making man self-willed.

It's like God putting bad gas into a well made engine. And why? So that His Son can come and clean out the engine, and put in the good gas again.

God Himself is imputing that prophesied self-will, as by commandment. After all what animal can resist God? And especially not by choice of free will. God can prepare a whale to swallow Jonah, make an ass to speak to a mad prophet, and move man to eat of destructive fruit. God can do whatsoever He wants, according to His own purposes, and no animal nor man made by God can say otherwise.

God imputes sin to man, but imputing the lustful self-will into man's souls: it's not just by man sinning, that God inputs sin to man, but it's first by God imputing the selfish will into man to sin.

Just as God's construction of man was made good, and proven so for a season in the garden, God also prophesied well for man to sin, since man did sin.

And so, enter in Calvin's predeterminism for some to be saved and some not to be saved, so that all men are imputed with lustful will to sin, but only some men are made to be saved, as by force.

They are forcibly entered into the kingdom of God, because at the time of God's predetermined choosing, Christ takes the man by force.

Since there is no choice in the matter by man from the beginning, then God will make some men to be saved at a time of His own choosing, whether the prechosen man likes it or not.

Such men go from common spirit and will of all animals, to the self will of all men imputed by God, and finally to no will at all: 'Not my will, but thine be done.'

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

And since the man Jesus says the same for Himself, then as all men, neither did He have any free will to choose good or evil.

And since Jesus is God, then God has no free will.

Hence, man being made in God's image does not have free will, since that's not God's image at all.

Amen.

 

[Kermos]

Man in the garden at that beginning, is simply the same as a whale in the sea: It is by obedience to natural law only. But afterward, does God put His salvation plan into effect, by making man self-willed.

It's like God putting bad gas into a well made engine. And why? So that His Son can come and clean out the engine, and put in the good gas again.

God Himself is imputing that prophesied self-will, as by commandment. After all what animal can resist God? And especially not by choice of free will. God can prepare a whale to swallow Jonah, make an ass to speak to a mad prophet, and move man to eat of destructive fruit. God can do whatsoever He wants, according to His own purposes, and no animal nor man made by God can say otherwise.

God imputes sin to man, but imputing the lustful self-will into man's souls: it's not just by man sinning, that God inputs sin to man, but it's first by God imputing the selfish will into man to sin.

Just as God's construction of man was made good, and proven so for a season in the garden, God also prophesied well for man to sin, since man did sin.

And so, enter in Calvin's predeterminism for some to be saved and some not to be saved, so that all men are imputed with lustful will to sin, but only some men are made to be saved, as by force.

They are forcibly entered into the kingdom of God, because at the time of God's predetermined choosing, Christ takes the man by force.

Since there is no choice in the matter by man from the beginning, then God will make some men to be saved at a time of His own choosing, whether the prechosen man likes it or not.

Such men go from common spirit and will of all animals, to the self will of all men imputed by God, and finally to no will at all: 'Not my will, but thine be done.'

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

And since the man Jesus says the same for Himself, then as all men, neither did He have any free will to choose good or evil.

And since Jesus is God, then God has no free will.

Hence, man being made in God's image does not have free will, since that's not God's image at all.

Amen.

You have some strange, ungodly folly in your post, Gilligan, unsupported by Scripture.

God's Will is not free will because a free-will does not have a host, yet a host is required for there to be an associated will; therefore, the Will of God is God's Will. See God's Will mentioned in 1 Peter 2:15.

The point is that there is no "free" (unassociated) will just floating around out there because a will is associated with a host, and because of this fact, your will is under the auspices of yourself, and notice the word "self" in yourself which translates to your self-will per the Apostle Peter (2 Peter 2:9-10), but not a free-will for you, and this is all in the Biblical sense.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Gilligan]

You have some strange, ungodly folly in your post, Gilligan, unsupported by Scripture.

You're the one teaching it. If not, then show exactly how not. You can do one point at a time, if you want.

I'll give you time to respond, before I start a thread exposing it for what it is: the natural theology of christ-possession and neo-Docetism.

Man begins with animal-will only. Man is then made by God to act self-willed, and finally the christ-spirit comes to take over the man's body, with no will of man left at all.

God's Will is not free will because a free-will does not have a host, yet a host is required for there to be an associated will; therefore, the Will of God is God's Will. See God's Will mentioned in 1 Peter 2:15.

The point is that there is no "free" (unassociated) will just floating around out there because a will is associated with a host, and because of this fact, your will is under the auspices of yourself, and notice the word "self" in yourself which translates to your self-will per the Apostle Peter (2 Peter 2:9-10), but not a free-will for you, and this is all in the Biblical sense.

And now we have the true source of your above natural theology: Natural philosophy.

You define free will based upon your own personal philosophy, that it is the will of the 'host', i.e. the body.

It confirms your teaching, that man is created the same as all animals, with spirit and will bound to the body alone: all animals, which includes man, are created by God without any liberty nor freedom to choose other than walking after the flesh.

All you've done is taken your natural minded philosophy, and insert it into Scripture, in order to teach it theologically. The result is the natural man giving lip-service to being created in the image of God.

As I've noted about you before, you teach a natural science about Scripture, and not the doctrine of Christ from Scripture.

Free will of God and man is not a will confined to the 'hosting body', but is a liberty and freedom to choose what to do with the body at will.

You define free will as having no body to host, and so it does not exist. The Bible defines free will as the freedom and liberty to choose to walk contrary to the course of nature, in order to walk after the Spirit.

Free will to you is a lack of body. Free will to God and the spiritual man, is a lack of bondage to the flesh.

The point is that there is no "free" (unassociated) will just floating around out there

What you call a nothingness floating around, Scripture calls the Spirit of the Lord, moving as the wind and speaking to hearts of men and women. Which further confirms your natural mindedness.

The will of man created in the image of God, is the freedom to choose to hear and obey Him, that the animals of the earth cannot hear, because they have no heart and soul of the inner man, to hear what the Spirit says to man alone on earth.

Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.

The natural man imagines all his thoughts are his own alone, and only exist with the body, And says there is no God nor Spirit 'floating around' out there.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

The freedom and liberty of the Spirit of God, is given to man at creation, with a soul created in the image of God, and not just another body on earth with different form and shape.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

What we are freed from is wilfully sinning, so that we are born again, as in the beginning with the liberated will and freedom, not to walk after the flesh as all animals on earth, but to choose rather to be conformed to the image of Christ, and walk as He walked on earth.

Man corrupts and conforms himself to the beasts of the field, by surrendering his God-given free will, and only walking according to the course of nature, rather than after the Spirit.

Your natural theology teaches that's the way man is created by God in the first place. You do so, in order to establish your personal natural philosophy for doctrine of God.

 

[Kermos]

You're the one teaching it. If not, then show exactly how not. You can do one point at a time, if you want.

I'll give you time to respond, before I start a thread exposing it for what it is: the natural theology of christ-possession and neo-Docetism.

Man begins with animal-will only. Man is then made by God to act self-willed, and finally the christ-spirit comes to take over the man's body, with no will of man left at all.


And now we have the true source of your above natural theology: Natural philosophy.

You define free will based upon your own personal philosophy, that it is the will of the 'host', i.e. the body.

It confirms your teaching, that man is created the same as all animals, with spirit and will bound to the body alone: all animals, which includes man, are created by God without any liberty nor freedom to choose other than walking after the flesh.

All you've done is taken your natural minded philosophy, and insert it into Scripture, in order to teach it theologically. The result is the natural man giving lip-service to being created in the image of God.

As I've noted about you before, you teach a natural science about Scripture, and not the doctrine of Christ from Scripture.

Free will of God and man is not a will confined to the 'hosting body', but is a liberty and freedom to choose what to do with the body at will.

You define free will as having no body to host, and so it does not exist. The Bible defines free will as the freedom and liberty to choose to walk contrary to the course of nature, in order to walk after the Spirit.

Free will to you is a lack of body. Free will to God and the spiritual man, is a lack of bondage to the flesh.



What you call a nothingness floating around, Scripture calls the Spirit of the Lord, moving as the wind and speaking to hearts of men and women. Which further confirms your natural mindedness.

The will of man created in the image of God, is the freedom to choose to hear and obey Him, that the animals of the earth cannot hear, because they have no heart and soul of the inner man, to hear what the Spirit says to man alone on earth.

Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.

The natural man imagines all his thoughts are his own alone, and only exist with the body, And says there is no God nor Spirit 'floating around' out there.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

The freedom and liberty of the Spirit of God, is given to man at creation, with a soul created in the image of God, and not just another body on earth with different form and shape.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

What we are freed from is wilfully sinning, so that we are born again, as in the beginning with the liberated will and freedom, not to walk after the flesh as all animals on earth, but to choose rather to be conformed to the image of Christ, and walk as He walked on earth.

Man corrupts and conforms himself to the beasts of the field, by surrendering his God-given free will, and only walking according to the course of nature, rather than after the Spirit.

Your natural theology teaches that's the way man is created by God in the first place. You do so, in order to establish your personal natural philosophy for doctrine of God.

You continue with your strange, ungodly folly in your post such as "man is created the same as all animals", Gilligan, unsupported by Scripture. I certainly did not convey that because I quoted the Word of God "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth" (Genesis 1:26) many times in this thread.

You illegitimately separate God's Will from God. God exists, and God's Will exists as part of God, but God's Will does not exist as an at liberty/outside/free thing separate from God.

NO SCRIPTURE STATES THAT GOD HAS A FREE-WILL.

GOD IS UNCHANGINGLY GOOD (MALACHI 3:6, PSALM 107:1) FOR THE WORD OF GOD SAYS "NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT GOD ALONE" (MARK 10:18), SO YOUR FREE-WILLIAN PHILOSOPHY INCLUDES THAT GOD IS CAPABLE OF BEING EVIL BY PREACHING THAT GOD HAS FREE-WILL.

NO SCRIPTURE STATES THAT MAN HAS A FREE-WILL.

FREE-WILL PHILOSOPHY INCLUDES THE MAN GENERATED DOCTRINE THAT, BY FREE-WILL, MAN CAN CHOOSE TO BE EVIL OR GOOD, EVEN THE ABILITY THE NATURAL MAN TO FREE-WILL CHOOSE JESUS CHRIST UNTO THE GOOD OF SAVING HIMSELF FROM THE WRATH OF GOD.

THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU TO ACHEIVE FREE-WILL IS FOR YOU TO ADD TO THE WORD OF GOD, AND IT IS WRITTEN "DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORDS OR HE WILL REPROVE YOU, AND YOU WILL BE PROVED A LIAR" (PROVERBS 30:6).

THIS POST TO YOU CLEARLY SHOWS IN SCRIPTURE THAT FREE-WILL DOES NOT EXIST, AND THIS CURRENT POST SHOWS THAT WHAT YOU CALL FREE-WILL IS TRULY SELF-WILL (2 PETER 2:9-10).

EVERY PERSON HAS A WILL, BUT A PERSON'S WILL IS EITHER (1) A WILL AGAINST GOD IN EVIL FOR THE NATURAL FLESH PERSON (2 PETER 2:9-10) OR (2) A WILL IN GOD'S GOOD IN CHRIST FOR THE BORN OF GOD (RONANS 8:29, PHILIPPIANS 2:13, JOHN 3:3-8).

If you start a thread that says free-will exists, then you are proven to deceive before you start the thread!

God's Will is not free will because a free-will does not have a host, yet a host is required for there to be an associated will; therefore, the Will of God is God's Will. See God's Will mentioned in 1 Peter 2:15.

The point is that there is no "free" (unassociated) will just floating around out there because a will is associated with a host, and because of this fact, your will is under the auspices of yourself, and notice the word "self" in yourself which translates to your self-will which leads to damnation per the Apostle Peter (2 Peter 2:9-10), so you in your self-will daringly revile His Majesty, King Jesus, when you wrote:

​

You, Gilligan, wrote:​

​

it is choosing to serve God​

​

(as recorded in this linked post in this thread)​

​

Because the King's decree, the Word of God, had already been proclaimed in this thread:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage), yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (the word of Gilligan).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God chooses people unto salvation, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you chose me to get yourself out of the world and into the Kingdom of God" (the word of Gilligan) - compare your words to the Lord Jesus explaining that without the intervention of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, you cannot even perceive the Kingdom of God righteously, much less King Jesus, with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "What I say to you I say to you and only you" (the word of Gilligan).

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Gilligan]

You continue with your strange, ungodly folly in your post such as "man is created the same as all animals", Gilligan, unsupported by Scripture. I certainly did not convey that because I quoted the Word of God "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth" (Genesis 1:26) many times in this thread.

You can quote the Scripture all you want, but you corrupt it by connecting man's will to the functioning structure of his body only. Without any free will to choose otherwise, you make man at creation tob e no more nor better than beasts of the field. At creation without any free will of man, man has no higher will and calling from God in His image, to choose the Spirit over the body, which no animal can do.

You say the only 'good' Adam did in the garden, was physically function well, like the whales at sea.

You then compound the error by saying God commands man to then have self-will and sin against God, which no animal can do.

Finally your predestined deliverance by Christ, is a christ-take over by force, where man once again has no free will to recieve or resist God.

Without free will created in the image of God, man is nothing but a puppet, where first he is just another animal on earth serving the flesh, and then he is made by prophecy of God to be a sinner acting contrary to nature, and finally some prechosen men are made to be saved by a christ-spirit taking over completely, with choice.

You illegitimately separate God's Will from God. God exists, and God's Will exists as part of God, but God's Will does not exist as an at liberty/outside/free thing separate from God.

NO SCRIPTURE STATES THAT GOD HAS A FREE-WILL.

GOD IS UNCHANGINGLY GOOD (MALACHI 3:6, PSALM 107:1) FOR THE WORD OF GOD SAYS "NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT GOD ALONE" (MARK 10:18), SO YOUR FREE-WILLIAN PHILOSOPHY INCLUDES THAT GOD IS CAPABLE OF BEING EVIL BY PREACHING THAT GOD HAS FREE-WILL.

NO SCRIPTURE STATES THAT MAN HAS A FREE-WILL.

FREE-WILL PHILOSOPHY INCLUDES THE MAN GENERATED DOCTRINE THAT, BY FREE-WILL, MAN CAN CHOOSE TO BE EVIL OR GOOD, EVEN THE ABILITY THE NATURAL MAN TO FREE-WILL CHOOSE JESUS CHRIST UNTO THE GOOD OF SAVING HIMSELF FROM THE WRATH OF GOD.

THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU TO ACHEIVE FREE-WILL IS FOR YOU TO ADD TO THE WORD OF GOD, AND IT IS WRITTEN "DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORDS OR HE WILL REPROVE YOU, AND YOU WILL BE PROVED A LIAR" (PROVERBS 30:6).

THIS POST TO YOU CLEARLY SHOWS IN SCRIPTURE THAT FREE-WILL DOES NOT EXIST, AND THIS CURRENT POST SHOWS THAT WHAT YOU CALL FREE-WILL IS TRULY SELF-WILL (2 PETER 2:9-10).

EVERY PERSON HAS A WILL, BUT A PERSON'S WILL IS EITHER (1) A WILL AGAINST GOD IN EVIL FOR THE NATURAL FLESH PERSON (2 PETER 2:9-10) OR (2) A WILL IN GOD'S GOOD IN CHRIST FOR THE BORN OF GOD (RONANS 8:29, PHILIPPIANS 2:13, JOHN 3:3-8).

If you start a thread that says free-will exists, then you are proven to deceive before you start the thread!

God's Will is not free will because a free-will does not have a host, yet a host is required for there to be an associated will; therefore, the Will of God is God's Will. See God's Will mentioned in 1 Peter 2:15.

The point is that there is no "free" (unassociated) will just floating around out there because a will is associated with a host, and because of this fact, your will is under the auspices of yourself, and notice the word "self" in yourself which translates to your self-will which leads to damnation per the Apostle Peter (2 Peter 2:9-10), so you in your self-will daringly revile His Majesty, King Jesus, when you wrote:

​

You, Gilligan, wrote:​

​

it is choosing to serve God​

​

(as recorded in this linked post in this thread)​

​

Because the King's decree, the Word of God, had already been proclaimed in this thread:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage), yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (the word of Gilligan).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God chooses people unto salvation, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you chose me to get yourself out of the world and into the Kingdom of God" (the word of Gilligan) - compare your words to the Lord Jesus explaining that without the intervention of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, you cannot even perceive the Kingdom of God righteously, much less King Jesus, with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "What I say to you I say to you and only you" (the word of Gilligan).

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

And so you just repeat yourself, without refuting any of my challenge.

I've posted a thread on how the no free will doctrine of Calvin is a christ-possessionism, as by forcible takeover of the life and body, not Jesus Christ entering the heart of them, that freely open unto Him by faith.

 

[Gilligan]

The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the LORD, every man and woman, whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work, which the LORD had commanded to be made by the hand of Moses.

Free will is freely from one's own heart, not by commandment nor compulsion nor greed nor deception.

And they received of Moses all the offering, which the children of Israel had brought for the work of the service of the sanctuary, to make it withal. And they brought yet unto him free offerings every morning.

The offerings are free when the will is free to make them.

Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

A cheerful giver is a free will giver from the heart, that is free to choose when and how much.

And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the LORD thy God, according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:

And so, Scripture does prove man has free will to make freewill offerings.

Man is given free will by God creating us in His image, so that man can please God by freewill offerings and service from the heart, to Jesus Christ and our neighbors.

Simple.

No free will predestined Calvinism, is a christ-spirit takeover of a person, where no freewill offering and service to God is ever made freely. None of such service to God is freely from the heart.

 

[Kermos]

You can quote the Scripture all you want, but you corrupt it by connecting man's will to the functioning structure of his body only. Without any free will to choose otherwise, you make man at creation tob e no more nor better than beasts of the field. At creation without any free will of man, man has no higher will and calling from God in His image, to choose the Spirit over the body, which no animal can do.

You say the only 'good' Adam did in the garden, was physically function well, like the whales at sea.

You then compound the error by saying God commands man to then have self-will and sin against God, which no animal can do.

Finally your predestined deliverance by Christ, is a christ-take over by force, where man once again has no free will to recieve or resist God.

Without free will created in the image of God, man is nothing but a puppet, where first he is just another animal on earth serving the flesh, and then he is made by prophecy of God to be a sinner acting contrary to nature, and finally some prechosen men are made to be saved by a christ-spirit taking over completely, with choice.


And so you just repeat yourself, without refuting any of my challenge.

I've posted a thread on how the no free will doctrine of Calvin is a christ-possessionism, as by forcible takeover of the life and body, not Jesus Christ entering the heart of them, that freely open unto Him by faith.

You cannot associate a single verse with me corrupting it, but there are several that you adulterate at the end of this post.

A person is a host, and a person is soul, body, and spirit. A person has a will, and the person is required for the person's will to exist.

Let us look at the verse that decisively separates man from animals, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth” (Genesis 1:26).

The common free-willian refrain is along the lines of "God has freewill. Christ has freewill. Man was made in their image/likeness. Result? = Man has free will." (an actual free-willian quote).

So, the free-willian philosophy holds that God free-will chooses to change between good and evil, and, since God created man in God's image according to God's likeness (Genesis 1:26), then man does precisely the same as God; therefore, man free-will chooses to change between good and evil.

A Will Requires A Host​

The definition of free-will must be considered.

Free will: an autonomous will, an isolated willpower, detached volition, independent moral agency.

Next, considering "will", a will exists not in a vacuum; in other words, a will must be part of a host.

Respecting an unsaved person - the default first condition of every person, since a host (person) is required to host a will, then the person's will is part of the person's self, so the person's will is self-will because the person'a will is attached to the self-same person; on the other hand, the person's will is not free floating detached from the person, so the person's will is not free-will.

The Apostle proclaims a person's will is either one of but not both of:

1. a person's will is controlled by God with "God having purified your souls in the obedience of the Truth through the Spirit" (1 Peter 1:21-22) and "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).
2. a person's will is controlled by man with "the Lord knows how" "to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

A person's will is dependent upon God (Christimage-will (bond-will), Romans 8:29), or a person's will is dependent upon man (self-will). No other will exists for a person; moreover, free-will is an illusion as conveyed by the Apostle Paul with "I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will" (Philemon 1:14).

While the unrighteous unbelievers daringly revel in their own glory founded in their self-willed "I chose Jesus" (2 Peter 2:9-10) thus their hearts steal God's glory, on the other hand, we righteousness of God in Christ believers worship the Glorious One (2 Corinthians 5:21) who sovereignly chose us (John 15:16, John 15:19 includes salvation).

Thus says Adonai YHWH (Lord GOD) "I am YHWH; that is my name; my glory I give to no other" (Isaiah 42:8), yet the free-willians try to steal God's exclusive glory in the salvation of man.

God's Will is not free will because a free-will does not have a host, yet a host is required for there to be an associated will; therefore, the Will of God is God's Will. See God's Will mentioned in 1 Peter 2:15.

NO SCRIPTURE STATES THAT GOD HAS A FREE-WILL.

God is unchangingly good (Malachi 3:6, Psalm 107:1) for the Word of God says "no one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18), so God is exclusively good all the time while at the same time God never changes to being evil.

In effect, free-willian philosophy includes that God imparted God-like free-will into man, and it is established that man free-will chooses between being good and being evil according to man's God-like free-will; therefore, God's free-will results in God fluctuating between good and evil because man's God-like free-will fluctuates between good and evil, so God changes to being evil by free-willian philosophers preaching that God has free-will.

THE RESULT, MAN CANNOT HAVE A GOD-LIKE FREE-WILL BECAUSE GOD CANNOT HAVE A FREE-WILL.

NO SCRIPTURE STATES THAT MAN HAS A FREE-WILL.

Free-will philosophy includes the man generated foundation that, by free-will, man can choose to be evil or good, even the ability for a natural man to free-will choose Jesus Christ unto the good of saving himself from the wrath of God.

The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for them to add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Every person has a will, but a person's will is either one of but not both of (1) a self-will against God in evil for the natural flesh person (2 Peter 2:9-10) or (2) a will in Christ doing God's good by the Holy Spirit for the Born of God (Romans 8:29, Philippians 2:13, John 3:3-8).

The point is that there is no "free" (unassociated) will just floating around out there because a will is associated with a host, and because of this fact, your will is under the auspices of yourself, and notice the word "self" in yourself which translates to your self-will which leads to damnation per the Apostle Peter (2 Peter 2:9-10), so you in your self-will daringly revile His Majesty, King Jesus, when you wrote:

You, Gilligan, wrote:

it is choosing to serve God
​

(as recorded in this linked post in this thread)
​

Because the King's decree, the Word of God, had already been proclaimed in this thread:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage), yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (the word of Gilligan).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God chooses people unto salvation, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you chose me to get yourself out of the world and into the Kingdom of God" (the word of Gilligan) - compare your words to the Lord Jesus explaining that without the intervention of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, you cannot even perceive the Kingdom of God righteously, much less King Jesus, with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "What I say to you I say to you and only you" (the word of Gilligan).

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Titus]

Great is my God, Jesus Christ NEVER lets go of us, His own, for my Savior says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10:27-30). PRAISE JESUS! HALLELUJAH! ALL GLORY AND PRAISE AND HONOR TO MY KING! I am nothing without you, Lord Jesus.

My God never lets go of me, through the calm and through the storm, Jesus my Lord never lets go

All of Kermos belief that he is Gods chosen elect is based off of what HE BELIEVES and what HE DOES.

He claims Jesus as His Savior.
His belief in Jesus as evidence of his salvation.
His works for Jesus as evidence of his salvation.
His evangelism as HIS evidence for salvation.

What is his evidence that he is saved/elect?
Answer: All these things HE DOES.

Which in his religion means absolutely nothing because he has no free will choice.

In calvinism God is in total control of every decision you make with regards to spiritual matters.

One begins life Totally depraved. This means one cannot, is without any ability on his own to desire God or believe in God.

Therefore God must make you believe in Jesus.
God must make you desire God.
Must ordain, determine that you preach Christ.

All these actions cannot be done by our will.
They are only done by God, we have no freewill.

Therefore Kermos faith is completely controlled by his god. He did not choose to believe, God choose for him.

This means God can choose in the future for Kermos to become an unbeliever.
Gods plan for Kermos might be that he decieve others with a false gospel that fullfils Gods plan for the non-elect to believe a lie and burn in hell.

Just look at the Biblical examples of Jews that were once obedient to God but later became idolaters.
In Kermos' calvinistic religion GOD MADE THEM OBEY THEN MADE THEM DISOBEY AND WORSHIP IDOLS.
It's all Gods will because we have no freewill.

Example of Kermos' misinterpretation of no freewill. God is ordering everything to happen by His sovereign decree.
Just as Kermos is Gods puppet believing in Jesus only because God makes Him believe.

Joshua 22:16,
- Thus says the whole congregation of the Lord: What treachery is this that you have committed against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the Lord(God made them do this no free will) in that you have built for yourselves an altar that you might rebel this day against the Lord.

These Jews were once faithful but now are rebeling against God.
By their own freewill? NO THEY HAVE NO FREEWILL ACCORDING TO KERMOS.

Therefore God made them rebel against Him.

You see that Kermos is proclaiming faith in Jesus now but can be an idolater in the future because just like these Jews GOD FOREORDAINS KERMOS TO DISOBEY HIM.

Kermos' false religion has NO assurance of salvation.

His god may hate Kermos and has already foreordained him to burn in hell.
There is no amount of good works Kermos can do to change Gods predetermined sovereign decree for Kermos. Kermos actions today is God using him for His eternal preprogrammed purpose.
Kermos actions tomorrow may be rebellion against God.

Glory be to God that all calvinism is all make believe.

Those Jews in Joshua 22:16 chose by their freewill to turn away from God and rebel against Him.

Frewill is all throughout the Bible,

Deuteronomy 30:19,
- I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose  life, that both you and your descendants may live.

Reality: Kermos chose by his freewill to become a calvinist.
Kermos chose to believe in God.

Joke: God foreordained me not to be a calvinist.

 

[Kermos]

All of Kermos belief that he is Gods chosen elect is based off of what HE BELIEVES and what HE DOES.

He claims Jesus as His Savior.
His belief in Jesus as evidence of his salvation.
His works for Jesus as evidence of his salvation.
His evangelism as HIS evidence for salvation.

What is his evidence that he is saved/elect?
Answer: All these things HE DOES.

Which in his religion means absolutely nothing because he has no free will choice.

In calvinism God is in total control of every decision you make with regards to spiritual matters.

One begins life Totally depraved. This means one cannot, is without any ability on his own to desire God or believe in God.

Therefore God must make you believe in Jesus.
God must make you desire God.
Must ordain, determine that you preach Christ.

All these actions cannot be done by our will.
They are only done by God, we have no freewill.

Therefore Kermos faith is completely controlled by his god. He did not choose to believe, God choose for him.

This means God can choose in the future for Kermos to become an unbeliever.
Gods plan for Kermos might be that he decieve others with a false gospel that fullfils Gods plan for the non-elect to believe a lie and burn in hell.

Just look at the Biblical examples of Jews that were once obedient to God but later became idolaters.
In Kermos' calvinistic religion GOD MADE THEM OBEY THEN MADE THEM DISOBEY AND WORSHIP IDOLS.
It's all Gods will because we have no freewill.

Example of Kermos' misinterpretation of no freewill. God is ordering everything to happen by His sovereign decree.
Just as Kermos is Gods puppet believing in Jesus only because God makes Him believe.

Joshua 22:16,
- Thus says the whole congregation of the Lord: What treachery is this that you have committed against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the Lord(God made them do this no free will) in that you have built for yourselves an altar that you might rebel this day against the Lord.

These Jews were once faithful but now are rebeling against God.
By their own freewill? NO THEY HAVE NO FREEWILL ACCORDING TO KERMOS.

Therefore God made them rebel against Him.

You see that Kermos is proclaiming faith in Jesus now but can be an idolater in the future because just like these Jews GOD FOREORDAINS KERMOS TO DISOBEY HIM.

Kermos' false religion has NO assurance of salvation.

His god may hate Kermos and has already foreordained him to burn in hell.
There is no amount of good works Kermos can do to change Gods predetermined sovereign decree for Kermos. Kermos actions today is God using him for His eternal preprogrammed purpose.
Kermos actions tomorrow may be rebellion against God.

Glory be to God that all calvinism is all make believe.

Those Jews in Joshua 22:16 chose by their freewill to turn away from God and rebel against Him.

Frewill is all throughout the Bible,

Deuteronomy 30:19,
- I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose  life, that both you and your descendants may live.

Reality: Kermos chose by his freewill to become a calvinist.
Kermos chose to believe in God.

Joke: God foreordained me not to be a calvinist.

The Christ of us Christians proclaims that Christ does all these following outlined blessings for us Christians with this Word of God:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

BEHOLD, ALL THAT GOD DOES FOR US CHRISTIANS!

NO SCRIPTURE STATES THAT MAN WAS IMPARTED FREE-WILL ABILITY TO CHOOSE GOD.

The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for them to add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Now, let us consider your cited passages looking for man successfully free-will choosing God:

• Joshua 22:16
  • the verse:
    
    
    “Thus says the whole congregation of YHWH, ‘What is this unfaithful act which you have committed against the God of Israel, turning away from following YHWH this day, by building yourselves an altar, to rebel against YHWH this day?
    ​
  • does not indicate free-will.
  • the word "choose" is absent.
  • in Truth (John 14:6), the people did not "fall out of the Lord" (Christians are in the Lord (John 17:21) hence the need for Christ), but the people turned away from following the Lord, and the people not being in the Lord distinguishes those people as being self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10), not free-will, but Biblically self-willed people.
  • Behold, for the people "to rebel against YHWH this day" is no example of man successfully free-will choosing God.
  • YOU ARE DEAD WRONG ABOUT JOSHUA 22:16.
• Deuteronomy 30:19
  • the passage of Deuteronomy 30:15-20:
    
    
    “See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity; in that I command you today to love YHWH your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that YHWH your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it. But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. You will not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess it. I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving YHWH your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and the length of your days, that you may live in the land which YHWH swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”
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  • does not indicate free-will.
  • the word "choose" is in context of life in the promised land, but the word "choose" is not in the context of choosing the Lord.
  • in Truth (John 14:6), they could not choose the Lord God Almighty.
  • Behold, they failed to even choose life (see the book of Jeremiah, and Isaiah, and Ezekiel, and Hosea), so they are no example of man successfully free-will choosing God.
  • YOU ARE DEAD WRONG ABOUT DEUTERONOMY 30:19.

For us Christians our Christ says "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent", so it is God's work for us to "believe"; in contrast, for Titus conveying "I chose to believe in Jesus", it is Titus' work of "choosing" (and man's works are dead works).

The free will philosophy is proven to be deception because "Behold, His servants, He does not trust" (Job 4:18), so God does not trust a person who chooses Jesus; therefore, a free-willian who says "I accept Jesus" is bound for hell.

You contempt against the Word of God manifests in your repeating of yourself - your false concept of - "Kermos' false religion has NO assurance of salvation" just like you previously wrote:

Your religion has no assurance of salvation.

and

That means God may someday do the same to you.

Your deception is evident because the following Word of God was proclaimed to you in response to your previous writings.

Great is my God, Jesus Christ NEVER lets go of us, His own, for my Savior says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10:27-30). PRAISE JESUS! HALLELUJAH! ALL GLORY AND PRAISE AND HONOR TO MY KING! I am nothing without you, Lord Jesus.

My God never lets go of me, through the calm and through the storm, Jesus my Lord never lets go!

Praise Jesus for the assurance of being saved from the wrath of God which He alone delivers the saints!

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[Kermos]

Continued from post 1,699

Nobody has a free-will just as the following shows that your self-willed teachings (2 Peter 2:9-10) utterly fail and lead to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

Free will: an autonomous will, an isolated willpower, detached volition, independent moral agency, Free Moral Agency.

A will exists not in a vacuum; in other words, a will must be part of a host.

Respecting an unsaved person - the default first condition of every person, since a host person is required to host a will, then the person's will is part of the person's self, so the person's will is self-will because the person'a will is attached to the self-same person; on the other hand, the person's will is not free floating detached from the person, so the person's will is not free-will.

The Apostle proclaims a person's will is either one of but not both of:

1. a person's will is controlled by God with "God having purified your souls in the obedience of the Truth through the Spirit" (1 Peter 1:21-22) and "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).
2. a person's will is controlled by man with "the Lord knows how" "to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

A person's will is dependent upon God (Christimage-will (bond-will), Romans 8:29), or a person's will is dependent upon man (self-will, 2 Peter 2:9-10). No other will exists for a person; therefore, free-will is an illusion as conveyed by the Apostle Paul with "I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will" (Philemon 1:14).

While the unrighteous unbelievers daringly revel in their own glory founded in their self-willed "I chose Jesus" (2 Peter 2:9-10), we righteousness of God in Christ believers worship the Glorious One (2 Corinthians 5:21) who sovereignly chose us (John 15:16, John 15:19).

Thus says Adonai YHWH (Lord GOD) "I am YHWH; that is my name; my glory I give to no other" (Isaiah 42:8), yet the free-willians try to steal God's exclusive glory in the salvation of man.

The Christ's declaration to us Christians is very clear "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation) as well as "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this thus including all believers in all time); therefore, Christ assures us Christians that the Lord God Almighty bears us out of this world and into His glorious Kingdom (John 10:27-30)!

I love Jesus Christ, and by His awesome power I keep His words "No one is good except God alone" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18), so we Christians are entirely dependent upon our King, Savior, and Friend, Lord Jesus Christ, but the fool defies Jesus Christ by saying "I am good enough to choose Jesus". Lord Jesus says "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him" (John 14:23).

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.